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Ike Advice; Please helpies me!
Topic Started: Apr 2 2008, 06:42 AM (215 Views)
lukintosh
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OK I know that not many people play Ike here but I hope I could find some advice? Like edgeguarding. I only have aether (only applicable when opponent I suck at smash. higher than me) and dtilt (hard to land, only easy for predictable/multi-jump recovery).

SK and JK1 play Ike right?
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Sneaky 2.0
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lukintosh
Apr 2 2008, 06:42 AM
OK I know that not many people play Ike here but I hope I could find some advice? Like edgeguarding. I only have aether (only applicable when opponent I suck at smash. higher than me) and dtilt (hard to land, only easy for predictable/multi-jump recovery).

SK and JK1 play Ike right?

I wouldn't worry too much about it, Ike's so powerful that he can just smash the opponent upward constantly.

I find him irksome.
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WeAreVenom
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I play Ike as a secondary, but just because to me he seems broken. I could main him, if I tried.

Ok, his bair is his fastest move, so use that more. Neutral B after a double jump is effective to start the match. Obviously, recover with side B. If you're getting owned, roll and try to land a forward smash. It ko's at around 60% for most characters. Try to spike with the dair, as there's a spot where it ownifies. um, grab a bit, set up for a couple two or 3 hit combos, like up grab -> aether. DON'T SPAM AETHER, it's just going to piss them off. Counter when it's obvious they're going to attack, and at almost no other time. Upsmash is preferrable to the dsmash...

oh... edgeguarding... um, aether is one. You could forward special into it. Like jump out, then come back. covers a good area. You could spike them, as mentioned earlier, with the dair, and bair them for a REALLY fast attack with delaying knockback. You could use the neutral B to edgeguard, it works if they come from below. If they have the ledge already, and are going to roll, up smash. It covers a wide area and can hit them RIGHT before or after the roll.

Hope that helped a little.
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sneschurch
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well I don't main Ike but I have some Ike advice. Ike has some lag with his arials . His fair is a great powerful attack that has much lag before and after the attack. When using the attack I find it best to call it a time before you meet contact with the opponent so that they catch the end of the move. Also if you connect the attack at the end at the right time above the air you should have time to make the second jump and aether to finish things up with a edge guard. The attack is powerful so you should have little worries of their recovery. :ike:

Still while I find this effective in my play with Ike, I don't know it will help with a more competitive play. His bair is also a good alternative when you don't have the time to properly set up a proper fair.
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Jalapeno 64
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okay, edge guarding with Ike. Well, I'm pretty good with Ike, he's on my top main list. When I edge guard, I can actually find using standard B, eruption, to be pretty effective. Now what I also do, with most characters not just Ike, is run off the edge the use forward air. And so far, that's worked for me.
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WeAreVenom
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Yup, I agree with Jalapeno, it works. Both our posts said so.
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lukintosh
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Wow thanks for the awesome responses. ^^
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Johnknight1
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"Ask for knowledge, and you shall recieve knowledge." Definitely a true quote.

Ike is definitely one of my best characters, probably behind only :toonlink: (dur!), :zamus: , :ness: , :lucas: , :fox: , and maybe :marth: , :falco: , and/or :dedede: .

Now, for Ike, always remember three things:

1. You must be smart with each attack, and when you time it: Literally. You gotta be on your feet, doing something AT ALL TIMES WITH :ike: , with no exceptions. However, Ike is a defensive and counter-offensive character. Don't let that fool you. When you attack, be unpredictable, or attack your foes so much, they don't know what hit them. Your foes expect you to dAir or nAir them when you are above them, so they shield. Instead, footstool jump off them and dSmash quickly, or get behind them a do your A-A-A combo (or something like that). Be smart. Don't attack a lot, and don't use a ton of smash attacks. However, don't be afraid to use your smash attacks when you feel necissary.

For example, tons of players I face shield roll across the stage=not very smart, and they do it to get behind you. So what I like to do is fSmash them, but aim BACKWARDS! If you learn to time this, you will get tons of kills you wouldn't normally get, guarenteed.

2. Be tricky, don't be predictable, and always have TONS OF OPTIONS and methods to get out of and succeed in ANY AND EVERY situation: This sorta ties in with my last point, and last paragraph. One thing I like to do is to do your A-A-A combo a lot, but often use your MASSIVE RANGE so if they shield roll behind you, the hitboxes still get them (good), and so your opponents can't grab you if they shield. Also, uTilt through platforms if your opponent is above you, like if your foe is on the platform above you on Battlefield. And maybe uSmash to throw them off if they pass through the platforms. Also, don't do the same thing over and over if they don't work (basic). This is a basic, but be smart about it.

For example (this is true), I just faced Brentos, and he barely beat my Ike in a 2 stock match when I faced his Pokémon Trainer (or rather, Ivysaur with some Charizard). I used my A-A-A combo too close, and he kept grabbing me. I used my dAir from above him (remember: this is on Final Destination), and he'd shield, and grab me. I'd use my dSmash, he'd shield, and grab me. So, for the first situation, I kept my distance, or threw in a fTilt or dTilt to throw him off. For my second, the first time I footstool hopped on him (and put him in the "tripped" postion), and fSmash'd him when he was off guard. The second time I got behind him and fSmash'd him. The last and third time, I got behind him at a distance, and A-A-A combo'd him, and followed up with a fTilt a little later. For the last thing, I just did my fTilt, and when he got used to that, I changed to fSmash. When he got used to that, I CRUSHED HIM with my dSmash three times (we repeated the same situation), and then I changed strategy (immediately).

Also, always change your strategy, yet remain constant with what works. Such is essential with smash bros., especially with heavy characters, and above all, with Ike! Throw your opponent off guard, and remember, grab as your speed attacks. Also, throw in a few fB's while you are mid air recovering from a move (but not off the stage) to throw off your opponents. It actually works, and it might be good to follow with a fTilt and A-A-A combo. :marth:

Lastly, play defensively, don't attack too often, and focus on counter-attacks above all: Such is how Ike should and must be played in order to win at high level skills of combat. Show no fear. Shield, grab, and follow up with offense. Use your range and attack from a distance. Don't be afraid, and show NO MERCY! Crush your opponent with changing strategies, yet by remaining constant, especially with mind gaming your foes, crushing them, and by WINNING! Changing everything is a key to victory. Change from your fTilt to fAir. Change from your A-A-A combo to fTilt. Change from your dSmash to your uSmash. Change from your fSmash to your dTilt. Change from your dSmash to your dTilt. Change from your nB to your fB. Change from your fB to your uB. Change from your uB to your dB. Change from your fAir to nAir. Change from your fAir to your nAir. Change from your nAir to your bAir. And change from your bAir to grabs, and maybe even combos or other offensive manuevers as a follow up with those. And change back, and in diffrent rotations. Ike can use all of his attacks effectively in combat, so why not. All of his attacks have decent priorety, and when under heavy non-grabbing fire, use your counter (dB) effectively, and on time.

Also, learn to time your fB recovery, and don't be afraid to sometimes mind game with your recovery. O, and Ike is great at edge guarding, and edge hogging. Edge hog a lot on opponents with weaker recoveries, or in Heavy Brawl, of course! :ike: Learn Ike's hitboxes and hitbox area(s) as well. His nB is CONSTANTLY underrated in the area it hits, so using it on occassion is a GREAT STRATEGY! You'd be surprised how well it works, and if you don't know already, it's range is INCREDIBLE! It might cover more range then any other Melee attack in the game, in all honesty! (although Yoshi's eggs are still best[est] :yoshi:) Same with the uSmash, but time it right, so they can't air dodge it. Which is why Ike's uAir and uTilt are good alternatives, are very useful, and when you setup the three together, you get a TOTAL MIND GAME, and you keep your opponent guessing. Keeping your opponent guessing IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING! Better to be playing on skill then luck. :fox:

Always remember: be unpredictable, but above all, be Ike! Ike as in limit attacks, focus on counter-attacks, and change your patterns and traits, yet remain constant to a certain style. Change everything in game and out, and win. Such are the keys to winning with Ike, and to becoming a Ike-using master smasher! :ike:
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ShadowKirby
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Ike's down Smash is good, I find relatively quick compared to most of his other moves and hits in the front and the back. You should try to play defensively, that is just something that I don't do or more like cannot get into doing. Its just boring to me; what's the point if your not in the fray? Also, if you can, use Aether to dodge attacks as a last resort.
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Jalapeno 64
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I love using aether to dodge marth's final smash
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