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Gays/Lesbians
Topic Started: Mar 4 2009, 03:29 AM (1,839 Views)
darkkirby100
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color-blind in terms of race means race is a non-issue...
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I'm gonna have to say goodbye to my head, but no, I don't 'like' gays/lesbians. I am not a hate freak or something, I just think it's a sin. I dislike when people sin, I don't murder them for it. Doesn't mean they're evil.
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Why would the church consider being gay/lesbian a sin if technically God made a person that way? Shouldn't they live their life in the way God built them to do? Would a loving God rather have a gay/lesbian living their entire life alone without a female or male mate instead of one of the same sex?

I never really got why the church was so against it.
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Z Dumbledore
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It depends a lot on your views, and even what type of Christian you are.
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The bible dosent know whats ita talking about Imo
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Guys, I already see where this is going again. Try to prevent religious discussions from happening, ok? :P
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Danielle
Mar 26 2009, 06:25 AM
The bible dosent know whats ita talking about Imo
Yeah, either that or the people who interpret it ;)
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Danielle
Mar 26 2009, 06:25 AM
The bible dosent know whats ita talking about Imo
But religion and gay are so closely tied together Black0zer :)

And a couple thousand year-old book is supposed to solve all of today's problems? Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of wonderful lessons in there...
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I don't know exactly what the Bible has to say about it, but personally I homosexuality is a choice, not something you're 'born into'. The Bible says right from the beginning males and females were to love each other. It's not like God is punishing this different human race. It's their own choice. A murderer is still a human, he just makes different choices from other people. (Note that I am NOT trying to link murdering to homosexuality, except that in my eyes they are both sins.)
Sorry for the 'religious' thing Black, but I had to respond to Doggy.
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Yowming41
Mar 27 2009, 10:18 PM
I don't know exactly what the Bible has to say about it, but personally I homosexuality is a choice, not something you're 'born into'. The Bible says right from the beginning males and females were to love each other. It's not like God is punishing this different human race. It's their own choice. A murderer is still a human, he just makes different choices from other people. (Note that I am NOT trying to link murdering to homosexuality, except that in my eyes they are both sins.)
Sorry for the 'religious' thing Black, but I had to respond to Doggy.
I think it's a choice, but your environment as well as personality traits you were born with could have an effect.
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Eddie
Mar 26 2009, 01:32 AM
Why would the church consider being gay/lesbian a sin if technically God made a person that way?
Good question. That depends on what you believe. Like I said, I believe homosexuality and other related things like that are choices. Lieing is a choice, too; it's a sin, and I think so is homosexuality. You wouldn't say "Why doesn't God just let those liars be the people they were built to be and lie all the time?" But lieing is a sin in your eyes, so you wouldn't agree with that. Since you don't see homosexuality as bad, you would think it's something you're 'born with'. Well, there's many beliefs on that, but I think you have the power to do it or not to do it- but just because you do it and think that you're supposed to do it does not mean that you actually are supposed to do it. I think that might clear it up a little....(And Z, you might be right, environment has a lot to do with shaping people's values and such.)
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Just adding this: That the bible does not directly say that "homosexuals are sinning", there's only two really small sentences in the WHOLE bible that actually suggest that it might be sinning, but it doesn't so into detail or anything.

One of sentences was that a child saw his father naked, accidently, so the father blinded his son. It could have been many reasons, not just the that incident.

But remember that times back then were 99% different then now! For all we know the father could of had a mental problem that we do not know about. The other story I forget, but if you really want to hear it you can either look it up, or ask me Sunday when I'm going to church where I can find out. This is the United Church, so I'm United. That is one sort of Christian, there are many but they mostly all study 90% of the same stuff.
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Yowming41
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Eddie
Mar 26 2009, 01:32 AM
Why would the church consider being gay/lesbian a sin if technically God made a person that way?
Good question. That depends on what you believe. Like I said, I believe homosexuality and other related things like that are choices. Lieing is a choice, too; it's a sin, and I think so is homosexuality. You wouldn't say "Why doesn't God just let those liars be the people they were built to be and lie all the time?" But lieing is a sin in your eyes, so you wouldn't agree with that. Since you don't see homosexuality as bad, you would think it's something you're 'born with'. Well, there's many beliefs on that, but I think you have the power to do it or not to do it- but just because you do it and think that you're supposed to do it does not mean that you actually are supposed to do it. I think that might clear it up a little....(And Z, you might be right, environment has a lot to do with shaping people's values and such.)
I have to disagree with that.

One of my mates recently announced that he was gay. Now, this came as a huge shock to nearly all of us as he had several girlfriends before and I knew him sense a kid; he lived a normal life. His parents were never divorced, they are super-parents, and had a decent income. There is nothing there to develop a crazy hate for females or a liking toward males.

Really, I think you are like that since birth. According to some research I did for my last paper (ask ravis), most gay's felt attractions toward the same sex as early as age 7!

Think about it. Why would anyone want to be gay? I don't know how the situation is around you, but here, it's horrible to be one. They are constantly insulted, made fun of, and laughed at. As a straight dude, if I see two guys together, I'd probably be tempted to make a rude remark based on how insanely "high" my maturity level is.

According to this, 10% of the world's population is gay.

Why would people be gay if they didn't have to be or had a choice? Sure, if they wouldn't want to be around a female as they don't feel a liking for them, they can go not marry, and live a lonely, sad life with no spouse. What merciful God would want that?
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I have th choice to be gay and i choose it.. i dont get insulted
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Eddie
Apr 3 2009, 12:08 AM
Why would people be gay if they didn't have to be or had a choice? Sure, if they wouldn't want to be around a female as they don't feel a liking for them, they can go not marry, and live a lonely, sad life with no spouse. What merciful God would want that?
I don't know exactly what you're saying here. You're implying that being gay is kind of a bad idea and that basically, only people who are 'forced' to be gay are the ones who would be gay and that no one would choose that willingly.
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Apr 3 2009, 12:08 AM
Why would people be gay if they didn't have to be or had a choice? Sure, if they wouldn't want to be around a female as they don't feel a liking for them, they can go not marry, and live a lonely, sad life with no spouse. What merciful God would want that?
I don't know exactly what you're saying here. You're implying that being gay is kind of a bad idea and that basically, only people who are 'forced' to be gay are the ones who would be gay and that no one would choose that willingly.
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Yowing a gay guy gets bagged so much, even strait guys that wash there clothes get called gay, thats why not to many people say they are gay
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i will never understand why people discriminate for any reason...
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The sad part is, that a lot people say exactly the same, but as soon as they're with a group of friends, they joke about them as much as anyone else. I too still find myself doing it sometimes.
Peer pressure: cause of a lot of problems and phobia's nowadays. When 'a high person' is rather ignorant, the rest of the clic usually becomes ignorant too.
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Indeed. Here at least, being called "gay" or a "fag" is typically just an insult.
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