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Obama; what do you think of him?
Topic Started: Feb 25 2009, 11:45 PM (924 Views)
Eddie
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Indeed, we can't afford another crappy one.
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Danielle
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We have kevin rudd, his awesome
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Jack Sam1
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How come?
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Danielle
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Because his awesome....
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Blackt3ars
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Lol, great explanation Dani :P .

Anyway, I've decided to do my french presentation about him. I hope I'll do great, but at least I'll do my best ;) .


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Eddie
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Black takes french? How far along are you?
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Indeed Black takes French :) . I don't know what rating/grading system you use, so I'll just tell you how long I've been taking french: 8 years
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Eddie
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RAWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!! !

(translation: is insanely jealous)
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Tom Xmas
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America is kinda dumb in a way, we rush to stick our noses in the stuff that doesnt need our help
Now theres a new threat from north korea that they will declare war if we shoot their test missles down while they test them,

they are aiming their test missiles at South Korea O.o
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Danielle
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Yet im here in Australia and we are all going "WTF?"
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I don't think North Korea will create a full blown war. Probably just a small scale crisis. The next great war will probably be over resources. They are getting very scarce now.
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Little late, as usual! *Sighs* But no matter...

Hmm, Obama. Hate to break the mood but I'm not a big fan, don't agree with a lot of stuff. But I live in America, so technically, I hope his policies work :p
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Hmm... elaborate Yow?
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Uh, well, I don't agree with his main economic stuff. I know full well that if I get into a debate on it, you guys will crush me, because I don't know much about economics, but the 'give-to-the-poor' isn't going to stimulate the economy, in my opinion, that's like shocking a man's finger to bring him alive again rather than his heart. I disagree with his stance on abortion being legalized. I also don't think he's really a Christian as he has said he is due to some things he has said about what he thinks Christianity is about. There's some more stuff but I can't think of any major ones right now.
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I also don't think he's really a Christian as he has said he is due to some things he has said about what he thinks Christianity is about.


It's ridiculous that people think that just because someone doesn't believe in Jesus or God, they can't be a world leader. No one should be restricted by religion. I think an atheist would be a better leader than anyone because they would have no outside 'influences'. Everyone has free will according to Christians, right? So isn't it hypocritical to restrict others from their free will by banning things based on Christian ideals?

So what I'm trying to say is, don't pick a leader based on religion or race. Pick them based on their political, social, and economic ideas.
Edited by 1337 Sk1llzz, Mar 21 2009, 11:35 PM.
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1337 Sk1llzz
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I also don't think he's really a Christian as he has said he is due to some things he has said about what he thinks Christianity is about.


It's ridiculous that people think that just because someone doesn't believe in Jesus or God, they can't be a world leader. No one should be restricted by religion. I think an atheist would be a better leader than anyone because they would have no outside 'influences'. Everyone has free will according to Christians, right? So isn't it hypocritical to restrict others from their free will by banning things based on Christian ideals?

So what I'm trying to say is, don't pick a leader based on religion or race. Pick them based on their political, social, and economic ideas.
Not that I disagree with you, but can't the same logic be used to say it's a murder's own choice to kill and that they should have the free will to do that?
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Mar 22 2009, 01:03 AM
Not that I disagree with you, but can't the same logic be used to say it's a murder's own choice to kill and that they should have the free will to do that?


Well, you just found the perfect fault to my argument.

The main thing I'm trying to say is, our country was founded on separation of church and state. Why should it be a requirement that America's president be a Christian. Christians try to force their ideas on others by making them laws. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say this nation is a Christian nation (as far as I know). When did it become one? The Pope is not supreme to the President in my book, neither is any bishop, priest, deacon, or layperson unless they prove that they are. In no way is a Christian better than an atheist, agnostic, deist, Jew, Muslim, pagan, Shinto, Buddhist,or sun worshiper. I know this is a stereotype, but Christians tend to be pretty closed minded because of what their religion says. Sarah Palin, for example, believed abortion should be illegal even in cases of rape, incest, and even if the mother and child would die from the birth. Christians are also close minded towards gay marriage. How does it effect you at all? It won't take away straight marriage, or force you to be gay. I just find the fact that this nation is ruled by Christians absurd.

Two videos on Prop 8:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/c0cf508ff8/prop-8-the-musical-starring-jack-black-john-c-reilly-and-many-more-from-fod-team-jack-black-craig-robinson-john-c-reilly-and-rashida-jones

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27650743/
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No, he hasn't Skills. What he is forgeting is that everyone has Human Rights, one of which is `A right to life`. A murderer may have a `Freedom of choice`, but if that conflicts with another Human Right, then it is considered illegal.

Furthermore to Yow's point about legalised abortion, why shouldn't it legalised? If this is based on religous views, then I believe that to be mis-guided. These views have been constructed many years before our time, so their views do not keep in line with modern thinking. Like I said above, every human has a freedom of choice. Now, why should a religion that they may not believe in not allow them an abortion out of their own choice?
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Although I always enjoy a good religious debate, this is a thread about Obama, so don't off topic too much guys ^_^ .
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Pfft, we'll go off-topic as we please :P

Anyway, what about the rights that your baby has? If you have sex with a guy but don't use a condom and pregnant, that baby should have a right to live. Quite obviously, if you get raped or something, it should be legal to have an abortion.
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