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Airport Security (TSA) Debate; Horribly pointless.
Topic Started: Oct 9 2008, 08:28 PM (412 Views)
Eddie
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Am I the only one that think the TSA (airport cops) is the most stupid government funded organization yet?

First off, we are treated like criminals. We have to take our shoes off, have our bags gone through publicly right in front of us and everyone else if they get the slightest bit of suspicion that we may have something in our bag, and here's a new one, have our bodies x-rayed. That's right, a man in a little dark room gets to look at tons of naked people a day (obviously face is blured out and you can see skin tone and such, but you get a thorough outline with everything you are carrying). But we are stopping terrorists by getting treated like serial killers, right? WRONG :eh:

If a terrorist actually wanted to get something on a plane, wouldn't they just dress up as a custodian, and fake an ID to get in the back door, or get one of their own to apply for a job there, and make a hand off? Even more, there are tons of stores and food centers behind the "secure area." They have to unload tons of trucks a day, if customs can't catch everything, what makes us so sure that the super TSA can?

What else? Our "wonderful security" has testers even that will go through the terminal with fake bombs. Guess how many the TSA caught? 20% on average.

Now, I'm not suggesting it is removed, but it needs to be a lot less invasive. Have security RIGHT before you board the plane, not a mile before. Limit the technology strictly to trace portals (basically a portal you walk into that scans you for explosives), EST (explosive residue tests which will quickly scan your bag for explosive residue or any liquid explosives), and finally a bag x-ray and metal detector ONLY if you have a criminal record or don't have a valid ID.

Doing so would be better than the security we have now when it comes to detecting bombs, and if someone with no record carries a gun on a plane, us paranoid Americans will tackle him before he can fire a second shot. People who try to carry on drugs 99% of the time will have a record, which will be forced to have their stuff scanned regardless.

Well, that's my thoughts for now. Any other opinions?
Edited by Eddie, Oct 9 2008, 08:30 PM.
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Llamakill
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Personally don't agree with much you wrote there.
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Miyagi30
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The only part I agree with is moving the security closer to the airplanes. That imo could help, but it could also be very bad.

(Consider how much easier it would be to run into airplane and hijack it off the ground)
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Sooth
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Hijacking an airplane is not as easy as you think....
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Eddie
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First off, all pilots are armed and know NOT to open the cockpit door. They are actually trained, even if they have a bomb and threaten to destroy the plane if they don't open the door, they most likely will not. Even more so, the doors are reinforced, proving that they could withstand the force that the side of the airplane could take regardless.

More reasons why terrorists wouldn't be able to get in the cockpit:

1.) Bombs would be MUCH harder to take onto a plane, current ESTs are only used if you don't have an ID and aren't even near as thorough. If this pulled through, it would be damn near impossible to take a bomb on a plane. Even if they had something that looked like a bomb, there's a 99% chance it is a fake. I remember a few years after 9/11 someone tried to light their shoe to destroy an aircraft. The result? Passengers caught it and tackled the guy.

If guns/knifes really do become a problem, which I highly doubt (remember, you can take guns/knifes onto buses, trains, subways, schools, even boats without problems) what would be the point? They could kill maybe 40 people in an airplane? They aren't getting in the cockpit, and I'm more than sure they could do much more damage elsewhere.

2.) The pilots and flight attendants where KILLED to scare the passengers on 9/11, the current pilots know this and won't take a chance with their life

The people who need to go through extra security still would. I can nearly guarantee that 99% of people stupid enough to take drugs onto an airplane got a criminal record and would be discovered regardless. People trying to take money in their shoe would get caught as well, a scammer without a record once again?

TSA is designed to be fast and effective, it fails to meet either of those currently. Moving it and changing it to prevent bombs from entering will keep airplanes safer than they are currently and less invasive for current passengers.
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Shafer
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Is there still the no more than 3oz. of liquid rule thing?
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Eddie
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Shafer
Oct 10 2008, 12:46 PM
Is there still the no more than 3oz. of liquid rule thing?
You can take in a quart of liquid on a plane, in 3 oz containers each.
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Lachann
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What irks me even more is the policy on electronic devices. Basically, they've got a right to search your laptop, iPod, cell phone etc., demand that you give them passwords to encrypted files and confiscate the device practically indefinitely. One more reason why I'm never going to visit the U.S., at least until things change drastically.
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Mr Master52
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Lol you have to open your bags and take your shoes off?
Here I only have to pass my bag through a machine and they see in x-ray what's in it, then I pass through a thing that detects metall stuff and it always beeps because of my belt...but I mostly agree with doggy here. If it takes a while to get on the plane here I can't imagine how it is in america :X
Edited by Mr Master52, Oct 12 2008, 08:44 PM.
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Jackxcite
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When I went on holiday to America I remember there being some really strict customs on our way in. Although I think it was more to do with the 'Foot and Mouth' or whatever it was called. That disease thing. :P
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Mr Master52
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I really need to go check that out in the internet :p brb

EDIT: Err, is it true that you have to open all your hand luggage...? Imagine someone has condoms or viagra or something :X..
Edited by Mr Master52, Oct 13 2008, 03:52 PM.
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Nick
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In Canada, you put your carry-on bag through an x-ray machine, they'll see ANYTHING there. And with the lluggage that goes in the hull, it is also pu through an x-ray. They scan you with a metal detector, other than that, you don't have to do anything. OH! And you're laptops aren't searched.
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Bunni Killer
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I travel fairly frequently, usually to and from other islands, and I always wear sandals and keep my laptop in a separate bag. The searching is extremely frustrating, and, like Doggy, I'm not entirely convinced of its effectiveness.

Of course, it could be worse:

http://www.pacificmagazine.net/news/2008/10/07/200-chinese-tourists-greeted-by-pat-down-searches-on-saipan
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Well I don't know much about it, I'll say this: I agree with Doggy that we shouldn't make this a pain and that things could be easier, but I disagree with making them less safe just so we can get on our planes a little faster. If you found out how to have an even more effective search than the current ones and it was also faster, that would be great. But I don't think we should sacrifice security for speed if there is an element of risk.

PS- Bunni, you mentioned islands, so if security is no question might I ask where you live?
Edited by Yowming41, Oct 15 2008, 09:58 PM.
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Am i the only 1 concerned that they see you naked with those scanner thingos O.o
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Mr Master52
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They see you naked? Lool. I'm same as Treeko. And Americans have big terrorist problems, I'd rather go through Canada and pay more money and lose more time so I can make sure my plane won't get hijacked...(my uncle did this. It turned out the plane he would take in America started two days later because of snow haha)
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