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Topic Started: Jul 5 2008, 03:30 AM (3,179 Views)
Joe
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Apparently the bible is proof enough. But not for me.
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Mr Master52
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There IS 100% proof that a guy named Jesus Christ was born in the year X and died in the year Y, it is written by the romans how he was crucified, the people that saw him wrote down the miracles he made, and guess what, 3k or more years before, Moses and Abraham said that he was coming to save us, and they were real (they were as real as any of your familiars that already died). Coincidence?
Just to add something, Jesus' purpose wasn't to create a religion, but to make life in earth better and to give himself for our sins. He always knew his faith but he kept on with his teachings.
If he wasn't a glorious and courageous man, what was he? A mad man? No...
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Historians/Scientists have proof that there was a Bloke named Jesus back those 2000 Years ago, and he went around and helped people. But no proof that he actually performed real life miracles, o came back from the dead etc etc. He was just a nice dude who made a name for himself.
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They also have a complete bloodline running from king david, to mary and joeseph who gave birth (Mary only >.>) to jesus.

There has always been written testimonies of the events in the bible.

Some people belive they found the ark, or pieces of it. Because there is planks and wood on a very high mountain in ____

There has also been other amazing things proved, even how 911 was predicted in the bible (Ill try to find where it says it...in revolations somewhere)

In all, christianity DOES have proof.
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Joe
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Fxck sake jack, stole my point much <_<

And Miy, how can someone accurately predict 9/11? If they did, why the hell didn't people do anything to prevent it?
Edited by Joe, Jul 17 2008, 09:36 PM.
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It mighta been kinda hard to do that. For one, a bunch of the people would not have been Christians (in power/government I mean) so the Christians might find it hard to convince them of it...besides, it might have been hard to stop anyways.
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Do you realize how hard it would be to convince the government to take action because of a prediction!?

People HAVE predicted things in the past, I read a book that a man had a dream of the titanic sinking, he tried to protest it going out. But did it help?

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Predictions are wonderful. You can bend them all you want: symbolism, figurative language, codes. That way, a prediction never has to have a definite meaning until it comes true.

As for codes, I wouldn't suggest putting too much stock in them: any reasonably long work (take the famous Moby Dick example) can be manipulated with codes to form the same kind of prediction.

Here's a link for you.

That, of course, is just one site of the many that debunk the Bible Code.

There's about as much proof Jesus existed as there is of any person who lived that long ago. He was referred to in outside writings by Romans and (nonChristian) Jews. It's improbable the references were ALL faked, even though at least one was tampered with. The question of Jesus' authenticity doesn't come down to whether he existed so much as whether he (He, if you will) was God Incarnate.

Frankly it's impossible to find conclusion in an argument based off absolute proof. You can't prove definitively that YOU exist, let alone Jesus: for all we know, our senses and our sources are all false. Some degree of faith is required in everything--if only to believe the senses give accurate reports. Religion is a matter which has even more ambiguity than most, and should rightly be left to faith--not false attempts at proof.
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Jul 18 2008, 02:13 AM
Predictions are wonderful. You can bend them all you want: symbolism, figurative language, codes. That way, a prediction never has to have a definite meaning until it comes true.

As for codes, I wouldn't suggest putting too much stock in them: any reasonably long work (take the famous Moby Dick example) can be manipulated with codes to form the same kind of prediction.

Here's a link for you.

That, of course, is just one site of the many that debunk the Bible Code.

There's about as much proof Jesus existed as there is of any person who lived that long ago. He was referred to in outside writings by Romans and (nonChristian) Jews. It's improbable the references were ALL faked, even though at least one was tampered with. The question of Jesus' authenticity doesn't come down to whether he existed so much as whether he (He, if you will) was God Incarnate.

Frankly it's impossible to find conclusion in an argument based off absolute proof. You can't prove definitively that YOU exist, let alone Jesus: for all we know, our senses and our sources are all false. Some degree of faith is required in everything--if only to believe the senses give accurate reports. Religion is a matter which has even more ambiguity than most, and should rightly be left to faith--not false attempts at proof.
I couldn't agree with you more there, you're last sentence pretty much summed up everything I could ever say.
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Just saw something on Nat Geo about these ' predictions'. This was said by a priest: "The bible is like a human being: When you torture it long enough, it can say anything you want."

Basically, if you're looking for predictions, you'll find them. It's the same with the movie '23'. A guy starts seeing the number 23 everywhere. Give me a few minutes and I can turn my birthdate into any number with less than 3 digits.
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Off topic totally but i loved that movie.
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Sooth
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What is going on in here?
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Yowming41
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Mostly a debate between Creationism and Evolutionism.
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Mr Master52
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There are still people that need to be saved and there are people that are trying to save them sooth :p
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That's just bull David O.O

"Saved"? Why can't you just accept that some people live a better life if they can choose how to live.
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Yeah I'm quite sure I don't need to be saved, I'm quite happy how I am. I'm not religious, but that doesn't mean I hate life and worship satan.
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People say 'where did the atoms that casued the big bang come from?', well where did God come from??

Also note that this could be the 3rd universe, maybe even more, At the end of this universe there will be a Big Crunch, then another big bang, then another big crunch, so anything in previous universes could never be found.
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Lol Saj do you support the theory from those stupid cientists that WE are god? That we will build machines that will persist till the big crunch and regulate all the factors that allow us to live?
Did you know that the probability that life exists depends on BILLIONS of factors! Example: To live, we need the number 0.0234238472873642708274800927347650236452364873298407. And we got it. Carbon, distance of the sun, it's all programmed by...guess ;)
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God, using Perl.
Edited by Drewpus, Jul 24 2008, 11:59 AM.
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Saj_61
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Master you didnt answer my question of where God came from?

And yes i do believe the scientists as look at Medival Medicine, it was ruled by religion, and where did that get them? Either they died quicker or the same speed if they did nothing. Where did science get them longer life. If science didnt come around we'd all be living till we were 39 and probally married now.

Another question, if god thinks everyone is equal, then why wont the roman catholics let women be priests etc?
Edited by Saj_61, Jul 24 2008, 02:37 PM.
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