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Topic Started: Jul 5 2008, 03:30 AM (3,182 Views)
Mr Master52
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It annoys me that people always look into unnecessary details that they make up and try to make a big deal out of it. You can't know for sure when the gospel of John was finished, Eirik....
As a christian, I must know much about my religion, if I want to go to heaven...
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Mr Master52
Jul 10 2008, 08:02 PM
It annoys me that people always look into unnecessary details that they make up and try to make a big deal out of it. You can't know for sure when the gospel of John was finished, Eirik....
As a christian, I must know much about my religion, if I want to go to heaven...
That's contradictory. Are details unnecessary, or do you need to know about your religion?

And why are you resting on the claim that Eirik made up his post, when I gave you a much more liberal estimate and still came up with something improbable?

Maybe details are only unnecessary when understood by people who know a great deal about your religion but don't practice it. Though frankly, as you've admitted yourself, it would be better to learn about the history of your religion--a history that in no way renders it false--than to pretend that it needs to be the way that sounds better.
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It annoys me religion exists. The cause of the majority of wars? Religion. Cause for the majority of protests and riots? religion. And don't argue against that, cos it's true.
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Joe, frankly, does life have a meaning to you? To be frank, I think religion is the best thing that happened, happens and will happen in my life for ever...
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Jul 10 2008, 08:11 PM
Mr Master52
Jul 10 2008, 08:02 PM
It annoys me that people always look into unnecessary details that they make up and try to make a big deal out of it. You can't know for sure when the gospel of John was finished, Eirik....
As a christian, I must know much about my religion, if I want to go to heaven...
That's contradictory. Are details unnecessary, or do you need to know about your religion?

And why are you resting on the claim that Eirik made up his post, when I gave you a much more liberal estimate and still came up with something improbable?

Maybe details are only unnecessary when understood by people who know a great deal about your religion but don't practice it. Though frankly, as you've admitted yourself, it would be better to learn about the history of your religion--a history that in no way renders it false--than to pretend that it needs to be the way that sounds better.
Isn't that the gimmick of religion? Leaving the details hazy that way people can fill in the blanks and get their own very personal image of "god"? Its must be, or else it's unprobable that other religions would exist. Because you guys know as well as i do that in most cases, Man kind is very good a keeping track of the things that REALLY happened.
Edited by Cppc, Jul 10 2008, 09:21 PM.
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I know the question was directed at Joe, but I'll answer it.

Firstly, it seems to me you're implying that, without religion, a person's life doesn't have a meaning- which is, of course, wrong.

Also, you fail the address the other points risen by Joe, which are perfectly valid, correct points. If religion is so good, and preaches that we should be good to get into heaven etc. why are a vast majority of wars (if not all.) fuelled by religious hatred?

Doesn't seem that good to me.
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Jack, there are wars because some people brainwash the kids from the start and 30 years later they are fanatics and/or suicide bombers. A good christian would never start a war.
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Who the hell are you to judge whether a person is a good Christian or not??

1. You keep telling me I was never a real Christian because I gave it up. You have no idea how I was before and you have no right to judge me.

2. The crusaders were good Christians, even though they went to war. They were just as good Christians as you, but with 1 difference; they were willing to give their life for what they believed in.
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A christian.

1.I repeat: If you believed 100% in it, then you never had a reason to doubt it.
2.As said, they were brainwashed by the popes of that time. In the middle age, people's perception on peace was a little bit different. Guess what? Humans evolved :o
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Mr Master52
Jul 11 2008, 09:15 AM
A christian.

1.I repeat: If you believed 100% in it, then you never had a reason to doubt it.
2.As said, they were brainwashed by the popes of that time. In the middle age, people's perception on peace was a little bit different. Guess what? Humans evolved :o
1. I believed 100%, but then after an incident, I started doubting.
2. Most of them weren't "brainwashed". Most of them were normal people who believed so strong that they would give their lives for their beliefs. Humans haven't really evolved much. There still isn't peace in Jerusalem and the middle east.
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Mr Master52
Jul 11 2008, 09:15 AM
1.I repeat: If you believed 100% in it, then you never had a reason to doubt it.
Master, some people just don't have faith as strong as Job had.

And I think it's wrong for one person to judge over good or bad.

Besides: "There is no good or bad, just shades of fucking gray."
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Hm. According to Master, Christians are better persons than non-Christians...
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The thing about fanaticism is...Where does one draw the line? At war? Bombing? Harassment? Quiet disapproval? Does it begin when people force others to follow their opinions or when they refuse to be open to those opinions?

Religion is not a cause of war; intolerance is. It isn't the only cause--greed, fear, etc--but it's the one that encompasses religious and ethnic and cultural conflict--from an online discussion to a full-blown war. In turn, that intolerance is usually caused by ignorance--which is why I've sort of been playing both sides of the field here. It's also the reason I made my signature--personally that's the closest I come to a religious creed.

Wars over religion could easily be started over any other kind of difference among people; it all boils down to intolerance.

There are good people who are Christians, and there are bad people who are Christians. Christianity has had its bad influences--the "brainwashing" alluded to, the subsequent intolerance--and its good ones--hope, happiness, and fulfillment for a lot of people.
Edited by Bunni Killer, Jul 11 2008, 12:16 PM.
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Hm. Too complicated for me.
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Jul 11 2008, 12:16 PM
The thing about fanaticism is...Where does one draw the line? At war? Bombing? Harassment? Quiet disapproval? Does it begin when people force others to follow their opinions or when they refuse to be open to those opinions?

Religion is not a cause of war; intolerance is. It isn't the only cause--greed, fear, etc--but it's the one that encompasses religious and ethnic and cultural conflict--from an online discussion to a full-blown war. In turn, that intolerance is usually caused by ignorance--which is why I've sort of been playing both sides of the field here. It's also the reason I made my signature--personally that's the closest I come to a religious creed.

Wars over religion could easily be started over any other kind of difference among people; it all boils down to intolerance.

There are good people who are Christians, and there are bad people who are Christians. Christianity has had its bad influences--the "brainwashing" alluded to, the subsequent intolerance--and its good ones--hope, happiness, and fulfillment for a lot of people.
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Very well said Cerruh :)
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To eirik.

No one is a "Bad" or "good" Chirstian.
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Hm. Master seems to believe so.
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My head be hurting form all the talk of muslim extremest.

Note. I do understand why they are doing what they are doing I'm just to lazy right now to type up a big long post about it.
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Jul 11 2008, 02:05 PM
Note. I do understand why they are doing what they are doing I'm just to lazy right now to type up a big long post about it.
Actually, I dont. From what I've heard (no source yet) is that the Koran actually is against such acts of violence. And they still claim that they are doing it in the name of Allah. Even a lot of normal muslims hate these guys.
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Jul 11 2008, 03:32 PM
Tigerblitz
Jul 11 2008, 02:05 PM
Note. I do understand why they are doing what they are doing I'm just to lazy right now to type up a big long post about it.
Actually, I dont. From what I've heard (no source yet) is that the Koran actually is against such acts of violence. And they still claim that they are doing it in the name of Allah. Even a lot of normal muslims hate these guys.
Black. The muslim dudes are insane(atleaste the extremest ones.) the reason why they are doing this comes from wayyy back during the crusads. Us (The chirstains.) Killed them. Bad time in our history. Now they go on things called Jihads. Wich are like Cursads. Their hoal is it make there group of muslims the reilgone of the world. (Wich I find it funny for in the Koran they have the same storys as us expect for a few change.)
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