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Topic Started: Jul 5 2008, 03:30 AM (3,184 Views)
Jackxcite
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There was a gathering of atoms at a finite time billions of years ago, and they created so much heat that they just exploded at such a force that they accelerated away from each other, creating planets, stars and everything else we know today.

I'll admit, there is no proof as to where the initial atoms came from, but there is no proof for ANY way they could've came to be.
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Tigerblitz
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Is theree any proof that that realt happened jack.? I don't think there is. So if you belive that that is the way the world came into being. You are beliving something without proof.
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Eirik
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There is proof that it happened :) .

And you say God loves me. Well good for him :P . That means I'm secured a place in heaven :D . That was way too easy...

Guys like Master live their entire life like a Christian in order to get into heaven, while I didn't have to do anything :D .
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Tigerblitz
Jul 8 2008, 05:14 PM
Is theree any proof that that realt happened jack.? I don't think there is. So if you belive that that is the way the world came into being. You are beliving something without proof.
You're asking everyone here to do the exact same thing, Tiger..

Anyway, whilst there is no actual proof, there are several 'things' that suggests such an event happened- i.e. red/blue shift.
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Eirik
Jul 8 2008, 05:26 PM
There is proof that it happened :) .

And you say God loves me. Well good for him :P . That means I'm secured a place in heaven :D . That was way too easy...

Guys like Master live their entire life like a Christian in order to get into heaven, while I didn't have to do anything :D .
Eirik. You also shoud live you life as a chirstain to live you're life to the fullest.
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Blackt3ars
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I'm sorry Tiger, I'd rather have one bird in the hand than 10 in the sky. I like certainty :) .
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If your asking to prove how the unvierse was created, you prove God is real and loves you.


*tbh i would be scared if some big man in the sky loved me >.>*
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"Heaven: you can't invent it, you can't prevent it" -Dan Gaser

Heaven's either there or it isn't. You shouldn't be living your life purely to get into heaven, anymore than you should simply post on the RSOF to get a better chance of becoming a moderator. I personally try to live my life as a good person because it's the right thing to do, and hope for the best at the end with whatever belief you follow (In my case, Christianity).
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Bunni Killer
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Actually it's impossible to PROVE anything. No one can ever know for certain whether or not their sense deceive them. I used to have a thread about this on the RSB.

The difference between science and religion isn't that a correct scientific theory can be proven; it's that an incorrect scientific theory can be disproven. An incorrect religious theory can never be proven incorrect.

Further, your logic--you can't prove anything to be true, therefore anything you can't prove--is flawed at its base. Thus religion has to be a question of faith and choice, not of proof.

By the way, for some corroborating evidence that the Big Bang probably happened, see this site.

I would suggest against trying to mix science and religion--they answer two different questions. When religion tries to meddle in science--or vise-versa--you find debacles like the one that so definitively immortalized Galileo (a lose-lose situation: Galileo was denounced by the Church he was faithful to, and the Church wound up with egg on its collective face).
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Let me first say I have never read the Bible and I don't consider myself atheist. Then let me secondly say I'm annoyed at people who say that there's dieties in the clouds that love me and all that. If there really is a God and if he loves us all so much and he seeks to bring peace to all mankind, why does he not show himself at the least? And if not show himself, help in the bringing of peace? Look in the newspapers, television programs, magazines, all that, and tell me with a straight face that this world is on the path to greater peace.

Who knows? People way back in ancient times may have been so few, then one began to think of what happens when life ends and became fearful of it, then created dieties and religion to calm him or herself and it passed on in the group of people. They may have then grown in numbers and separated, creating and growing more religions. Heck, I personally wouldn't cherish the thought of people dying and have it just simply having their bodies "turned off" like a camera or some robot. YOU try to think of what happens when your body is "turned off" like that.

Let me say in closing that nothing is certain in the terms of religion. This is sort of why I never took interest in it. (That, and politics, but let's not get in to that -.-)
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I agree on your view on religions.

After all, most religions (Christianity for example) are nothing but copies of other, older religions.

I don't remember many examples, but I do have 2.

1. The devil's fork is actually taken from the old Greek (or was it Roman?) mythology, where Poseidon owned a fork just like the one the devil has.

2. The halo over the angels' heads is actually taken from ancient Egyptian beliefs. Persons with a halo can be found on paintings in the pyramids.

My point here is that religions, like Christianity, is not as holy as people think. Just take the "holy" bible. It's not anymore holy than The Lord of The Rings, because the bible was written by normal people, just like any other book. So religions is only ways to live life created by regular people a long time ago.

The Christianity we know today was actually formed at the meeting led by the Roman Emperor Constantin I. at that meeting they decided what ghospels should be in the "holy" bible and even whether Jesus should be mortal or immortal!

So there you see. Christianity and the bible was not something that fell from the sky. They are both creations of normal people. How can you believe some guys that there is something called the afterlife?
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Eirik I'll get into that when I have time, but what you said about Constantin was wrong.
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Eirik
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Nooo.

Constantin was never a Christian. He was a life time pagan who was baptized a few hours before he died.
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Jul 9 2008, 11:54 AM
Eirik I'll get into that when I have time, but what you said about Constantin was wrong.
From what I've been thought at school, and seen on National Geographic, Constantin was responsible for constructing the bible. I'd like to hear your version on this one ^_^ .
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Eirik
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Same :P .
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Mr Master52
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After Jesus' death the christians were hunted by the noobs and they had to hide, building small communities etc.
Many of the romans turned into christianity, and Constantin only officially converted the romans into christians.
Maybe he chose the books for the bible, but they weren't in no freaking way written by him. He was saved in his day of life by Nicholas from Assyria, when he converted to christianity. So,they didn't discuss any of it eirik, they just put the books into a whole book, the Holy Bible.
Constantin was a pagan and he was taught christianity, that's the meeting when they discussed that stuff, it was all already there, they only told it to him.
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Master, Eirik and I never claimed he wrote it, we just said he helped constructing it.

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Of the many gospels written in antiquity, only four gospels came to be accepted as part of the New Testament.
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According to Wikipedia, there were only four gospels accepted as part of the New Testament.
Most other gospels were not used because of doubt over authorship, but there were some gospels that were authentic, but were not accepted because they didn't fit in the beliefs of the orthodox church at the time. (i.e. Jesus being too human).

I am not trying to put the bible in a bad daylight, because there are a lot of magnificent stories in, that I like too. But I try to see them as nothing more than stories. Interesting tales to read and maybe teach me on or two things. But do not claim that all gospels were simply piled and put into one book, the bible, because that's not true either.
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Mr Master52
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Well, then, what's your point? They decided which gospels to use, which not to, wow, so what? What's wrong about it?
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That means that the "holy" bible is nothing but an old book with cool stories in it.
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No, that means that the holy books were drawn together in a single book, called the Holy Bible
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