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Topic Started: Jul 5 2008, 03:30 AM (3,174 Views)
Mr Master52
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People didn't "create" religion because they didn't know what came after death, and Lama, it's horrible to think like that, I live a joyful life that everyone should live because I know that BB is watching you.
And because of the point "why does god let evil happen?"
We are on the 7th day, the day he rests. WE invented the sin, not him.
Just as a quick side note, the "bad apple" is just a metaphor. It comes from the latin malus that is somehow connected to the old word "evil" :)
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That's not exactly right, Black. God didn't say "Whew! Ok, there's Earth, time to sit back and watch what happens. Hope they don't kill each other off, but if they do it's no big deal."

How do you explain Jesus Christ or all the prophets in that case? How do you even explain that we know about God at all? If He hasn't done or said ANYTHING to us in the history of Earth, why would we have religion at all?
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Sep 9 2008, 08:42 PM
That's not exactly right, Black. God didn't say "Whew! Ok, there's Earth, time to sit back and watch what happens. Hope they don't kill each other off, but if they do it's no big deal."

How do you explain Jesus Christ or all the prophets in that case? How do you even explain that we know about God at all? If He hasn't done or said ANYTHING to us in the history of Earth, why would we have religion at all?
A good way for someone to make money creating a book which turns into a religion?
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When you actually look at it, that's a pretty stupid idea. By the way, 11 out of 12 of the Apostles died horrific, brutal deaths because they wouldn't back down from what they were saying. All a moneymaking scam, naturally.



PS- Maybe Darwin just wanted to make money O_o
Edited by Yowming41, Sep 11 2008, 12:58 AM.
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Sep 9 2008, 08:42 PM

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That's not exactly right, Black. God didn't say "Whew! Ok, there's Earth, time to sit back and watch what happens. Hope they don't kill each other off, but if they do it's no big deal."


Could be. Fits as much as the idea of a supreme being being vastly interested in the fates of mortal beings.

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How do you explain Jesus Christ or all the prophets in that case? How do you even explain that we know about God at all? If He hasn't done or said ANYTHING to us in the history of Earth, why would we have religion at all?


Because people make answers when they can't find any. That's how primitive religions began, anyway--explanations of things we now understand through science.

People imagined their gods as being like humans, jealous of each other and eager for worshipers, and as having hierarchies. They would devote themselves to one of the gods as the greatest.

Some believed in a great Creator whose work was carried out by spirits...I could go on and on. Eventually this this idea of greater gods led to that of just one.

People were raised to believe these gods, and every generation has people who want change--hence, the prophets. Just like any religiously-based activist, they believed in a God they could not prove.

Whether God is just part of this development or is a matter of, not one of reason.

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A good way for someone to make money creating a book which turns into a religion?


No doubt there have been cases like that: some magicians, fortune-tellers...It carried into religion, without doubt (from Pharisees to Popes)--but keep in mind that the Prophets generally went poor by choice and went against the message of the powerful. Not the best moneymaking scheme.

There are people who use the supernatural to make money, and there are people who use it for moral good.
Edited by Bunni Killer, Sep 11 2008, 11:18 AM.
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Sep 9 2008, 08:42 PM
That's not exactly right, Black. God didn't say "Whew! Ok, there's Earth, time to sit back and watch what happens. Hope they don't kill each other off, but if they do it's no big deal."

How do you explain Jesus Christ or all the prophets in that case? How do you even explain that we know about God at all? If He hasn't done or said ANYTHING to us in the history of Earth, why would we have religion at all?
Lol, you're telling me Deïsm doesn't exsist? You're funny :P . It's quite a popular belief amongst religious scientists, even these days.

Well, they're just prophets. The only difference is that they preach the word of God because they wan't to, and not because God told them to do so.

And we've always had religion, because always feel good about the idea that there is a higher power which is watching over them. Don't you feel safer when you're walking down the street when someone you look up to walks next to you? They don't have to do or say anything, but they still make you feel safe and comfortable. It is that what people always try to seek in religion: Safety, and spiritual enlightenment (in Christianity's case, going to heaven).
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If religion is only a good thing, then why do we have atheism? So we can feel scared walking around? O_o


"I hope I don't get hit by a car today...but Charles Darwin is watching over me...his corpse must have evolved into my dog, yes, that's it."
Edited by Yowming41, Sep 11 2008, 10:00 PM.
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Sep 11 2008, 09:59 PM
If religion is only a good thing, then why do we have atheism? So we can feel scared walking around? O_o


"I hope I don't get hit by a car today...but Charles Darwin is watching over me...his corpse must have evolved into my dog, yes, that's it."
Maybe they're dissuaded by "Christians" who, rather than living by the Law of Love, wage attacks against them for their beliefs. ^o)

Nor does it help that so many Christians insist on making war with science (and vise-versa)--if forced to choose sides, a lot of people will choose the one with evidence.

By the way, I'm a Deist--and it doesn't take the promise of heaven or the threat of hell to make me go around happy to be alive, or to be tolerant of and loving towards others. I hope you can learn to do the same.
Edited by Bunni Killer, Sep 12 2008, 04:13 AM.
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Yeah, the only problem I've had so far with Christianity, is their intolerance towards gays, science, other religions, well, basically anything that threatens their belief. Christianity is like a scared animal forced into the corner, striking back at anything that comes close, friend or foe.

I really like religion. It might not look like it in some of my posts, but I seriously think it's one of the best inventions of mankind. The love on which most religions are based is something which truely touches me. If only some religions *cough*christianity for one* could be more tolerant, I might actually start believing parts, because I think the bible is a very fascinating book, but untill then, I'll stick with the more tolerant religions like buddhism.
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You can't believe..."parts of it", you have either to believe the whole or not. And about that sad comparison with a dog in the corner: Are there any dogs that are more than 2k years old and make hundreds of millions people happy every day?
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So if modern Christians were more 'tolerant' you would believe an incredibly old book that wouldn't change if modern Christians did? That doesn't make sense. You belive the Bible, or you don't. You don't watch Christians and then believe it based on -their- actions. They don't live perfect lives, but the Bible describes them.
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I'm not taking a stance in this thing, but I think that this is pretty funny, and it's true. I've not read the 5 million posts you guys have made, but I'm pretty certain that this has happened at least once in a thread like this:

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Here *hands over bible to cactus* pwnt
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The bible doesn't actually PROVE anything Master.
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The bible proves absolutely NOTHING. If you believe the bible, it's your faith that 'proves' it. However, if you don't believe in the bible it's no different from Harry Potter or any books like that - only with a different plot to it.

Although, many people consider it 'historical fiction' as it does document many things that -actually- happened, just not all of them happened.
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What is it called when you believe god created the universe, then made the very first organisms and gave them the power to evolve?

That's my religious beliefs or whatever....
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I believe that's Deïsm.
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Sep 18 2008, 08:46 PM
What is it called when you believe god created the universe, then made the very first organisms and gave them the power to evolve?

That's my religious beliefs or whatever....
Same. My theology teacher said it's still Christianity just not as close-minded.
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Then I'm a christian-deist ;)
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I put first the fact that I became an Athiest before I rejected santa, Religon makes that little sence to me. If you are a "proper god fearing man", you go to church, and preach to you family even just a bit; you have my respect. I am fully willing to accept those who practice a religon however i reject it myself. If I am close to anything at all it's a Zen Buddhist.

My ideas against god are as follows.
The earth is about 3-5billion years old; humanity is 3 million years old; jeses lived 2000 years ago. Why should this so called messiah come along and and tell of the ways of god so late in human history. I remind you 3 million devided by 2,000 is 1,500; so Jesus/God based religons have been around for one 1,500th of human history. Why would "the lord" not send us his son earlyer, why should humanity be damned to ignorance for so long. It's time for dinner you'll get more later.
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