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| Yowming41 | Jul 26 2008, 03:34 AM Post #181 |
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That does kind of make sense, although Christianity isn't realy 'compatible' with science. But hey, believe what you want, I guess. |
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| Bunni Killer | Jul 26 2008, 04:30 AM Post #182 |
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What part of Christianity is incompatible with science? Unless you choose to limit God--and I wouldn't, considering he's a supreme being and all that--there's no reason to assume that He could only have created the world in the traditional magical words and hand gestures method. Why couldn't a supreme being create a world with the kind of depth that science shows us? The only way I can think of that someone would come to that conclusion is if they took Genesis as literal rather than metaphorical truth, which makes little sense as there are two creation stories in Genesis and they contradict each other. Edited by Bunni Killer, Jul 26 2008, 04:46 AM.
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| Eirik | Jul 26 2008, 08:47 AM Post #183 |
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I agree, people should be allowed to believe what they want to. That's why it pisses me off when people like Master try to convert everyone and looks on non-christian as a desease that needs to be cured. |
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| Yowming41 | Jul 27 2008, 02:40 PM Post #184 |
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Which are the two stories? |
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| Sooth | Jul 27 2008, 03:16 PM Post #185 |
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Okay, seriously. It is obvious the universe began when the unstoppable force collided with the immovable object. Chuck Norris was born along with the rest of the universe. Using his roundhouse kick he formed galaxies and solar systems and planets. After doing this he travelled to earth on a meteor. When he got to earth he created all the differenct species of animals/dinosaurs etc. You think something crashed into earth to make the dinosaurs go extinct? That's not true, one of the dinosaurs tried to eat out of Chuck Norris' garden so he roundhouse kicked them until they were rodents. Whenever you see a case of evolution you can smile and know that Chuck Norris caused it with an uppercut. <- True Story. |
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| Drewpus | Jul 27 2008, 03:37 PM Post #186 |
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Interesting take on the formation of life sooth, and I believe nearly the same thing. Replace each instance of Chuck Norris with God, and you get my belief. Replace it with science, and you get most other's beliefs. |
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| Yowming41 | Jul 27 2008, 04:41 PM Post #187 |
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Drew, might I ask what religion you are? |
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| Bunni Killer | Jul 27 2008, 08:41 PM Post #188 |
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Yow, those would be quite simply Genesis 1-2:4 and Genesis 2:4-22. If you would like, I can offer you some sites that deny contradiction between the two, because my point--which somehow keeps getting missed--is not that you should disbelieve the Bible. It's that it is possible to have spiritually accurate works without historically accurate details. There are many Christians who have found it possible to reconcile what they believe about God with what they know about science. Is it for you? I don't know; maybe you'd prefer to think gravity and acceleration and nuclear technology and electricity are just make-believe. Just don't try to say that's the only way to be Christian--it isn't, and I'm guessing you aren't going to gain any new converts if you first insist they deny the world around them. Is it so far fetched to believe that God could have created a set of rules for the universe? Edited by Bunni Killer, Jul 27 2008, 08:47 PM.
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| Drewpus | Jul 28 2008, 12:59 AM Post #189 |
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Yow, yes you might, I am a Roman Catholic; though some of my personal beliefs deviate from my church's I still attend masses (somewhat) regularly, and am proud to be a member of my church. |
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| Yowming41 | Jul 28 2008, 01:40 AM Post #190 |
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Uhh, I never said that I think electricity and all those things don't exist. I'm saying that I think God created them, but through a literal interpretation of Genesis's Creation. I believe there are "rules" set up like gravity, but I don't believe they came from evolution or the Big Bang. |
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| Bunni Killer | Jul 28 2008, 04:10 AM Post #191 |
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Yow, that's my point. ;) Disagreeing with the Big Bang Theory isn't the same as disagreeing with science, and neither really has any bearing on whether or not one believes in God. When you say science is incompatible with religion, you're denying everything that has been discovered or created through the scientific process. Edited by Bunni Killer, Jul 28 2008, 04:17 AM.
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| Drewpus | Jul 28 2008, 04:26 AM Post #192 |
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Science and religion are ways of interpreting the world around us and explaining it. Science uses facts and models to explain how stuff works, and religion uses belief in a higher power which provided all that appears on this world, and when confronted with Science explaining how stuff really works, religion maintains its belief in a higher power by saying that Science has only proved how the higher power works, and just because we understand a process more, it doesn't make it less likely that a higher power exists, in fact, that we can understand how it works makes a higher power even more likely, as we are no longer saying that this higher power is all powerful, but can instead say that this higher power knows a lot more than we do, and has already figured out how these processes work and was able to implement them in the construction of the world; when Science provides a proof of how we can, as humans, create an inhabitable planet (and yes, this is possible), religion will tell the haughty scientists that their higher power already did this a long time ago. Wow, that was a long sentence. |
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| Llamakill | Jul 28 2008, 10:27 AM Post #193 |
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God speaks to me all the time, Thankfully the pills im on manage to suppress him. Aslong as Muslims and Hindu's, (and every other Religion fueled war) are bombing the F*ck out of each other, Religion is something that should be stopped imo. |
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| Drewpus | Jul 28 2008, 01:57 PM Post #194 |
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Not stopped per se, just kept to one's self. We don't need to show everyone how our religion of peace is the ultimate by bombing them, it really kind of defeats the purpose. |
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| Eddie | Jul 29 2008, 01:26 AM Post #195 |
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If you speak to god, you're religious; If god speaks to you, you're insane. Just a neat saying I thought I'd quote |
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| Drewpus | Jul 29 2008, 01:36 AM Post #196 |
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Hmm, that sounds familiar, do you know the source? or is it anon? Great quote btw. |
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| Llamakill | Jul 29 2008, 12:56 PM Post #197 |
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That's what i was implying Doggy ;) |
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| Yowming41 | Jul 29 2008, 09:28 PM Post #198 |
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Actually, Hitler's reading of the Origin of Species was a huge reason in him trying to start WW2, he figured his race was the best and wanted to speed up evolution to make humans better so he found the "weaker" race, Jews, and killed them off. He also killed many of the Germans who were disabled or had problems so they wouldn't 'waste' food and such. |
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| Bunni Killer | Jul 29 2008, 10:07 PM Post #199 |
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The greater contributor to the rise of Nazi Germany was the Depression. The Treaty of Versailles left Germans desperate for a strong, charismatic leader with radical ideas--because radical change was, to them, the only way to get out of their rut. Religion can be blamed for wars and so can science. The truth is that people will always have differences and people will always want superiority. Religion is just one manifestation of the former, and social Darwinism is just one name for the latter. More than differences or dominance, war is an act of desperation. People are unhappy with the way things are--they're poor, they're hurting, they want a better life, and so they clutch at straws. And both religion and science are responsible for good things. People find solace in their God(s) and moral guidance in their religions. Medicine and technology offer us better lives. |
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| naomi shail | Jul 29 2008, 10:38 PM Post #200 |
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Personally, I think comparing religion and science is a load of crock. Creationism should never have entered the science classroom because it's irrelevant to the subject, whether it's true or not. The entire reason "the big bang" and evolution are mentioned is because they provide the basics for most scientific ideas today. How could you believe in genetics, unless you believe that over time humans have the ability to change? How could you tell a family they're ore likely to have a disease, without knowing what caused it? Is there any reason to explore space, or to try and figure out how the principles of space work, if god clearly made the rest of space as extra, and only earth matters? When you study more advanced science, you remember that nothing in science has ever been proven: that's what makes science fundamentally different from religion. Religion calls for faith, you need to believe you will be saved, or there is a heaven, or a giant spagetti monster will take you to the great stripper factory in the sky. Science is based on disbelief. You can never prove a theory, only disprove it. A law is merely a theory that has been tested so many times that we are reasonably sure it's the best theory to explain a phenomenon, and can be trusted to learn from until we find a better explanation. If it wasn't for this disbelief, that makes up the very foundation of science, then it would devolve into just another religion, using smoke and mirrors and faith to explain what happens around us, much like the science of the dark ages. I've heard a lot of people mention that science is the "how" to religion's "why", but what's the point of science at all if there's no why? Before every experiment, you need a "why" to explain your intentions. "I'm going to test this water for coliforms (intestional bacteria)" "Why?" "Because I want to help these people find some water to drink." "I'm going to make a spaceship!" "Why?" "Because I want to see what's out there!" __________________________________________________________________ Now, that being said, I'm a heathen, and proud of it. I have no need to be told what to believe from people who have never spoken to Jesus, or been to heaven, or learned anything apart from what other people have told them. It's all a big guessing game. I'm talking about Christianity here, since that's the current religion under debate, and because it's tried to have the most impact on my life. I consider Christianity to be a big guessing game, based on a story that they won't admit is skewed. I have no problem with someone looking at the bible for guidance, but even if those words once came from a god, then man has retranslated so many times that much of that meaning is lost, and not just when entire tales are left out. The witch burnings were caused by a replacement of one word: "poison" became "witch". These burnings were still caused by ignorance, not by the bible itself, but the point remains that every time the bible is translated it is warped by the person doing the translation. Even with the first translation, if every word was matched perfectly, anyone who is bilingual will know that a word can have many meanings, and all of those meanings rarely cross the language barrier. Even if I didn't consider the new testament to be another twisting of an old religion, I could never follow people who so blindly lead their lives by a book of men, instead of the world made by their god. I don't believe in Christianity, though my family does. Despite that, I know I'm blessed. I've felt it since I was a child, and have seen it in action. I still see monsters under the bed at night, and I still love listening to the world. Because of this heathen attitude, I don't see a need to worry about life, or the afterlife. Death is natural, so I have no reason to fear it. Life is natural, and however fleeting it may be, I see no need to rush through it, and see everything there is to see. I can find it hard to resent people sometimes, because everyone acts according to their nature, and I can't hold that against them. It's caused a few odd morals, but that's ok too. At the same time, I can respect religions and don't have a problem learning about them. They're one of the greatest political tools around: they can bring people together and tear them apart, they can give hope or despair, and any religion around this long deserves some respect for being wily enough to survive. The only religion I've ever really avoided is actually Christianity, and that's because I resent having it continuously pushed in my face. I like the story of the old testament, but frankly, the new testament is the driest peice of reading I've ever attempted. After multiple tries, I've yet to read the entire thing in one go. I'd rather read the entire Talmud, to be honest. Edited by naomi shail, Jul 29 2008, 10:39 PM.
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