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+ War. Hot or Not? +; Do YOU think war is ok?
Topic Started: Jul 4 2008, 07:20 PM (740 Views)
Eirik
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How do you feel about war and conflicts. Is it really nescessary? Could it be avoided? Is it inhuman?

To start, I support warfare 100%. Let the discussion begin...
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Mr Master52
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Just because a president doesn't like the religion of another one they start a war and 1million people are killed. No one is the winner as both quit. ONE MILLION people were killed for no purpose. Why don't the stupid presidents that want to war take an AK47 and kill them themselves?

Eirik: I bet your position is strongly influenced by your father.right?
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I find it impossible to believe that you are 100% in support of war, to be honest.

I won't type too much at the moment, because it's late, but I may post again on this topic later.

Anyway, slightly off topic, but Master, why do you ALWAYS use analogies in your discussion? Most of them are exaggerated, unlikely, and too simplified for an effect. Just saying...
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I support war to an extent. It gives jobs to lots of people, although lots of those jobs are automated these days. I also am against it when it is unnecessary.

The people dying is also not a good thing, but really, everyone dies someday.
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Mr Master52
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Jack Sam I always bring up examples to make my arguments more "anschaulich", that's what we learn in the 7th class.
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I support war to an extent. It gives jobs to lots of people, although lots of those jobs are automated these days.

Would you rather have no job or have a highly deadly job?

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I also am against it when it is unnecessary.
Tell me WHEN is it necessary?

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The people dying is also not a good thing, but really, everyone dies someday.
Would you rather die shot or with a bomb or in piece in a bed with your friends surrounding you?
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Eirik
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Just because a president doesn't like the religion of another one they start a war and 1million people are killed. No one is the winner as both quit. ONE MILLION people were killed for no purpose. Why don't the stupid presidents that want to war take an AK47 and kill them themselves?

Eirik: I bet your position is strongly influenced by your father.right?


What war are you talking about?!

And yes, I -am- influenced by my father. His life is all about war and someday I hope to get the chance to fight for my country as well :) .

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I find it impossible to believe that you are 100% in support of war, to be honest.


There are probably examples where I don't support it. If Norway had been against the entire world, I would probably not recommend war, as we would lose anyway.

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Would you rather die shot or with a bomb or in piece in a bed with your friends surrounding you?


I'd take the first option to be honest. It would be unexpected and I wouldn't have to get old :) .

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Tell me WHEN is it necessary?


When a country is threatened to selfdestroy because of their leader, it is nescessary that another country goes to war to get rid of the leader and after he/she is gone, allow the country to build itself up. That's just 1 example.

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Would you rather have no job or have a highly deadly job?


No.

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Mr Master52
Jul 5 2008, 06:36 AM
Would you rather die shot or with a bomb or in piece in a bed with your friends surrounding you?
Lol, both of them are lame. I'd rather die bungeejumping or something. Give me some action please :P .

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Tell me WHEN is it necessary?


I think when a country decides that human rights don't mean anything to them anymore, and starts killing and torturing people for political reasons.
You try and talk to them. I suggest you do not do that, because look what this 'appeasement-politics' has led to. (WW3 anyone?)
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Mr Master52
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War is never necessary. Look, the worse two leaders of all time right now are Mugabe and Bush and still there is an easier way to get rid of any leader (ex. saddam hussein) without war. The Iraq war killed thousands of innocents just for a god damn person!
War has many factors: Religion and wealth are the two most important ones in my opinion. There is NO way we can convert everyone to one single religion that would be good for everyone however wars like Iraq that are just because of the oil could be avoided.

If a country is in a self-destruct course (Zimbabwe for example) there is no need to start killing thousands. Just go there one night and through sleeping bombs into the house of the president and send him to jail forever...
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Jul 5 2008, 11:37 AM
If a country is in a self-destruct course (Zimbabwe for example) there is no need to start killing thousands. Just go there one night and through sleeping bombs into the house of the president and send him to jail forever...
That's extremely cowardly. Besides, that's not how those things work. It's actually illegal and if the "assasinators" get caught, the country that sent them could be in MAJOR troubles.
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In major troubles with...? No one likes Mugabe. Everyone is afraid of him. No one would revenge him.
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Major trouble with FN, NATO etc. In trouble with unions they are a member of. Assination of a country's leader gives that country a reason to go to war. And as you know, unions work so that if one country in the union goes to war, the rest of the countries in that union will support. Nobody likes to be forced into battle because a country you promised to help in war, did something stupid and illegal.
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Masters, I'll give an example.

The first World War started 28 July 1914. The casus belli (cause of the war) was the murder of prince Frans Ferdinand of Austria on 28 June 1914.

This is probably the most well known case that the killing of a single person can lead to a war.
Edited by Blackt3ars, Jul 5 2008, 06:09 PM.
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Eirik
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You're partly correct. The killing of Franz Ferdinand and his wife was the triggering event to the first World War. There was a lot of stuff that lay behind. And I do believe there's only one Master....
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Yes, there was actually a lot more involved. But the murder on Ferdinand caused a snowball effect, which in turn lead to WO I.
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Mr Master52
Jul 5 2008, 11:37 AM
War is never necessary. Look, the worse two leaders of all time right now are Mugabe and Bush
War is sometimes necessary. Saddam was killing thousands of innocents, too, and we ended that. I could come up with hundreds of instances where it is necessary, but I won't.

And Bush isn't the worst leader of all time. You're telling me Hitler, Castro, Chavez, Kim Jong Il, Mussolini, or any other dictator?
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^Well, at least they were competent. B)
Edited by Bunni Killer, Jul 6 2008, 10:44 PM.
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You have to be competent to go to Yale and Harvard (Bush did), don't you?
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Not necessarily. :S

War...Theoretically it isn't necessary; if all humans found it in their hearts to be entirely tolerant of everything and fair in all their actions...But considering how hard it is even to avoid an online argument, that day is rather far off.

As things are, war isn't necessary so much as unavoidable.
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Eirik
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If we were all munks, then ot wouldn't be necessary. If we were all Buddists, it wouldn't be necessary. If we were all clones and agreed about the exact same thing, it wouldn't be necessary.

But we aren't. We are what we are, and what we are is humans. Humans will always need war to solve problems, it's the only way that works in the end. 90% of all peace contracts breaks sometime.

Humans are after all animals and we all live by the principle of "survival of the fittest" so some degree.
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Eirik
Jul 7 2008, 08:46 AM
Humans are after all animals and we all live by the principle of "survival of the fittest" so some degree.
Oh dear. Eirik, you shouldn't say that :P . Next thing you know we'll get a religious discussion about Darwin :S .

Lol, just joking :P sorry :$ .

But I agree. To a certain degree, we are still animals.
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