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Topic Started: Jun 3 2008, 02:44 AM (1,533 Views)
Blackt3ars
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Jul 4 2008, 02:25 AM
Black is it just me, or have you changed your views on this in the past week or so?
Yes, as a matter of fact I did. But still, even if I had a girlfriend, and she wanted to abort, I would be fine with it. However, if she would chose not to, I would be fine with it too. I don't want to chose myself, I consider that decision not mine, but hers.
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If I got a girl pregnant, I'll just do like my dad. Just volunteer for the army :D .
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to be honest, that is exactly the type of reaction I would expect from you: run away.
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You know me too well :D .
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Cppc: If they thought they were ready, than it's their problem. Killing a baby because a mistake of yours should put yourself 25 years in jail.
Eirik: Wow...running away? That ruins the life of the kid. You really take life not so serious, right? Of course.
Blacky: Abortion is murder, you're taking the opportunity of living from a future human being. There is no possible argument that is against that. Saying that the baby hasn't any feelings nor conscience isn't valid as the sentence above said "Taking away the chance to have a future". If your girlfriend says she's killing someone and then does so, you are considered co-murderer for not saying anything.
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Taking away a baby's future isn't bad, because the baby doesn't even know what a future is!

You're right, I don't take life serious. Life is like remembering a dream. The more you try to focus and consentrate about, the more it slips away. I'm just relaxing and flowing through my years. I don't worry about what's in my future, because I know that i always have a choice to end the misery. I don't understand those who struggle to achieve something. There is no point in it, as when you're time is up, what you achieved doesn't really matter.

A little off topi, but I just wanted to make myself clear to Master what my philosophy about life really is :) .
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The baby would have had a future, even if it couldn't have known it. And you're taking it away. It's like selling a lollipop to a 3 year old for 100$. He doesn't know what 100$ is worth.
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The parents also has futures. By having the baby they might ruin it. Especially when they're young.

You're saying that it's their mistake, why should the child get it. I'm saying that why should ONE mistake mess up THREE person's lives?
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They deliver to the child to an adoption thingy if they don't want it- but only persons that are really evil and don't care about their childrens lives do that.
Eirik as said before, I'd rather have a messy life than no life
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Master many people do not feel that way. Hence why there are so many suicides every year.
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I haven't read ALL of what was said, only the last few posts.

However.
Abortion is the decision of the mother. Early pregnancies can lead to back problems and chronic pain when she gets older. Sometimes you're better off thinking about yourself.

Besides, that child won't know what life could've been like, because they're dead. Or they weren't even living to begin with. That all depends on whenever you think life begins.

However, my points aren't as strong as my debate on rape. I might come back to this.
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The son is more important than the mother tbh :|
Edited by Mr Master52, Jul 6 2008, 04:36 PM.
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Jul 6 2008, 04:35 PM
The son is more important than the mother tbh :|
That's pretty lame.
I consider every human equal, and since the baby is inside the woman's body, it's her decision what to do with it.

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The baby would have had a future, even if it couldn't have known it. And you're taking it away. It's like selling a lollipop to a 3 year old for 100$. He doesn't know what 100$ is worth.


If I'm correct, that's an 'it', and not a 'he' or a 'she'.

it: Used to refer to objects, items, and sometimes animals.
him/her: human beings
Edited by Blackt3ars, Jul 6 2008, 07:28 PM.
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i personally think abortion is something that i would never do. But since i have never been pregnant as a teen, or pregnant ever for that matter, i wouldnt be able to decide if it is wrong or not. Personally i think adoption would be a much better option, but in certain circumstances it isn't an option.
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The major selling-point for pro-lifers is that life begins at conception. However, they rarely consider what happens AFTER the baby is born--it's as if life begins at conception and ends at birth.

My opinions on abortion are much the same as my views on euthanasia: it takes more than functional organs and a pumping heart to make life. If there is NO promise of full life, it actually is more merciful to kill.

Personally if I get to a point in my old age where I'm out of my mind and can't function without being attached to an IV, I fully expect my loved ones to pull the plug as the last act of mercy for a dying friend.

Similarly, if a child is going to be born whose parents don't love it, can't support it, or who had it young enough to cause serious medical problems for both parent and child--all threats with teen pregnancy--it's better that the parents abort and save themselves for a time in their lives when they CAN support a child.

Abortion doesn't stop you from having children later on, when you're ready--and those children might not get a chance to live if the first is born. Should the possibility for 3 good lives be given up for the possibility of 1 terrible one?

There are circumstances where teen pregnancy can be a blessing--but those tend to be the settings where abortion isn't considered. The woman needs to have a choice in what happens in her life and that of her offspring.

Regarding teen sex and sex before marriage, I don't think it's a sin. People should have that choice as well--the choice of whether to add physical joy to their emotional relationship.

However, people need to be more careful about sex. Promiscuity leads people to stop respecting their bodies, which is in my opinion the reason so many value chastity until marriage.

I do think a lot of people are having sex sooner and more often than they should, and consequently their self-respect plummets.

For their part, lawmakers and school officials need to get behind good sex ed programs--and I don't mean abstinence only. Studies have shown that abstinence-only sex ed doesn't actually reduce sex rates--it just means kids are less likely to use protection. That protection is vital in preventing STDs and saving the kids from going through the very difficult decision of abortion or the even more difficult situation of having to take care of an unplanned child.

Finally, Eirik--rape makes the victim feel helpless, weak, and dirty. It's a violent action INSIDE of you. Then there's the shame of wondering if it's your fault, or if you could somehow have prevented it. Usually there are threats made against speaking out. That isn't the kind of thing people recover from easily.
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Jul 6 2008, 10:35 PM
Rape makes the victim feel helpless, weak, and dirty. It's a violent action INSIDE of you. Then there's the shame of wondering if it's your fault, or if you could somehow have prevented it. Usually there are threats made against speaking out. That isn't the kind of thing people recover from easily.
My best friend was a victim, and believe me.. she often says she feels dirty, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. It's been like a year since it happened, and she doesn't even talk to the guy anymore. They were going out when it happened. Trust me, this shit leaves a significant mark on your life, and there isn't a point where you really recover from it.

All in all, you said it better than I could've. Kudos.
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Yeah I know someone that has a friend that has been raped in an adoption center... he never talks to anyone and just plays Gameboy every day :|
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I am neutral on this standing. You shouldn't have sex when you are a teenager, but if the people understand the risks(STD's, unwanted pregnancies, etc...) they could, if they wished.

In my school(going into grade eight) I have heard from the grapevine(is that the proper term?) that a LOT of the teenaged women in MY class have had sex with some of the teenaged boys in my class. Scary, really. I feel really unclean in the classroom. But I hang out with friends who are nice people and KEEP THAT **** to themselves. I don't care about my friend's sex lives. They can keep that to themselves. Besides, it could hurt when one of your friends passes it on to other friends.
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Abortion is the only thing we talk about in RE at my school

since i havent been pregnent and dont think i ever will im not to shure about abortions they should be alowed to a point like 9 weeks or somthing if there is a good enough reson for it ( like rape or if the mother has no money to care for the child ) but then again girls and boys should be carful

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"keep it in your pants"
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Life begins when the first cell begins to function and multiply, the point at which the baby has a conscience is very debatable. Generally, killing the baby when it can think, feel, and react is wrong, but let's think about something: other animals can percive just as we can but on a lower level and they get killed at maturity all the time.

We humans at one point in time we just as good of thinkers as any animal, of course we evolved to form the pinnacle of intelligent life as we know it. Take away that intelligence and what do you have? Just any other roaming animal that only has its importance within the food chain.

So, because babies don't develop such great feelings and the ability to learn as well as a mature human has, you could justify killing it before a certain point in its development. You also have to think about why it is wrong to take away another humans life, and I belive that the answer is all around us, and it has to do with natural selection and evolution. At some point in time, there probably were a few species of cannibalistic animals, that could kill each other without hesitation, however, that was obviously a problem for their survival and by natural selection, they died off while a simalar species that wouldn't cannibalize came to succeed them. Natural selection and evolution eventually shaped life on Earth into a form that would hesitate to kill members of its own species, while still preserving the primal instinct of killing for food. This so called "hesitation" probably turned into the series of emotions we experience today, which makes it immoral to kill one of your own. But now, make it so one species kills another, the ethical issues almost dissapear, there is almost no hesistation for a lion to maul a zebra, although that reason is partly because of survival. Ask a human to do the same thing, and they would hesitate (probably) and ask for a reason why, maybe we have a sort of "over-evolved" sense of our so-called "hesitation" which can better be described as compassion. This compassion is only temporary and does get overruled when we kill things for our own survival, such as cows for beef, or rats becuase they threaten us with disease.

It really shouldn't be a wonder why we have second thoughts about abortion, because we are preventing our species from further dominating the globe, however, humans have multiplied so fast, and conquered so quickly that natural selection is catching up. It will be perhaps millions of year before humans will perform abortions without any doubts. It also doesn't help that the carrying capacity of the entire planet is starting to be reached, which is prompting space exploration to other habitable planets. So it seems we are in quite a predicament that is driven by our ethical standards and our desire for sex. The brain wants to have sex, because after all it is quite pleasuring and if it wasn't no species could survive, becuase reproduction would become a hassle and not as enjoyable as it is today. The fact that sex is so pleasuring is the main reson why we have so many pregnancies and our planet is becoming so over populated. Evolution did give us a backup though, masturbation, it is a way to obtain our pleasure without reproducing, but it is frowned upon because it seems quite barbaric.

Who knows what the futre may hold, maybe one day sex won't be as fun as it is now, which will keep us from over populating the Earth any more, or maybe abortion won't be as seemingly wrong as it is today. Whatever happens is for nature to decide.

I guess this post does have its opinions, but whats wrong with that? ;)
Edited by Yugiah, Aug 30 2008, 07:36 PM.
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