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Topic Started: Jun 3 2008, 02:44 AM (1,534 Views)
Blackt3ars
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Well, the thing you forget Eirik, is that a lot of rapists are people the victim knows. Usually, it's even a relative.

Being raped by a complete stranger is less terrible than being raped by say, your uncle.
Imagine it. You would never be able to trust anyone ever again, because you're afraid they will harrass or even rape you again.
Raped people will usually become very insecure after the incident, which is one of the things by which you can recognise it.
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I'm all with doggy, abortion is only needed when

a)someone is raped
b)one of the 5 childs you're pregnant of can kill the others. There you can kill it, but only as a last solution

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Whenever I hear people complaining about abortion, the first thing I think is "Fuck you, you don't know the circumstances, and it's none of your business, so just fuck off."


Whenever I hear people for abortion, the first thing I think is "Fuck you, you don't know the circumstances, you are freaking killing a child who is defenceless and you didn't even give it a chance!!!"

I would rather, WAY RATHER be a poor child in, say , Romania than dieing.

I am christian and I have nothing against sex before marriage and I think it has nothing to do with age, it just PISSES me off when some stupid couple says they got pregnant by accident and want an abortion. Use a condom much?
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Well, the problem I have with your argument is that you dont want to kill a child because it's defenceless, and it can feel. The same goes for bugs, and I'm pretty sure we all have killed a bug or 2 in our lives. And please don't say: "It's a human, that's different!" because I know someone will.
Saying that is saying that you consider humans better than animals, which I think is wrong. I think that we should treat all species with the same respect as we treat others. So before you talk about abortion, think about the amount of animals you've killed. (wow, I really sound like an evironmental activist now O.o ).
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Jun 5 2008, 05:17 AM
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Jun 5 2008, 01:21 AM
Hmm. I believe sex is immoral besides with a husband/wife.
All animals have sex before marriage. I'm pretty sure nothing bad happens to them...

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I'll get back to this one later. I have a LOT to say about that. Like.. You don't even know how close to home that hits for me. Look forward to it.


I -am- looking forward to it ;) .
I didn't say fire would come from the sky and burn you to death, I said it's immoral. As in, it is not moral, not good, not 'following the rules' as you might say. And no sex isn't 'just' to make a baby, it's something that husbands and wives enjoy with each other. It's not something you go out and pay someone to do.



Also, as for abortion...I'm deeply against it. It's murder, plain and simple. "Oh you don't like the baby so it's great, just kill them painlessly and everyone will be happy."

You're killing someone you don't like. Do you go to annoying people at school and murder them because you don't like them? They don't have a deeper relationship like a child has with you but it's still killing. It's like comparing killing a 5 year old(abortion) to killing a 20 year old(murder). It's the same thing, whatever their age is. Killing them painfully is bad, sure. Killing them at all is also bad.
Edited by Yowming41, Jun 6 2008, 07:08 PM.
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You're killing someone you don't like. Do you go to annoying people at school and murder them because you don't like them? They don't have a deeper relationship like a child has with you but it's still killing. It's like comparing killing a 5 year old(abortion) to killing a 20 year old(murder). It's the same thing, whatever their age is. Killing them painfully is bad, sure. Killing them at all is also bad.
So death penalty is wrong too?
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Nope. They deserve the death penalty. Babies haven't done anything.
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This thread is for debating sex. Not abortion. I understand how controversial Abortion is, and would love to see another thread created for it, but please stay on topic. :)

I realized that I went off topic in my post as well.
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Thanks Gill :]

This debate is about the high percentage of young people that have sex (I think o.O)

The main problem would be the not-understanding part. As some people have already said, the teenagers don't know what they are getting into and when they see their girlfriends pregnant they leave them. And that's another big problem. Also a problem are the people that only want girlfriends/boyfriends for sex and don't love them :8
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I find this interesting im gonna give an example. Ok, my irl friend who plays runescape (but will remain anynomaus) had sex with his girlfriend. Ok my friend is 13 currently and his girlfriend is 14. He told me that she was late and was sure that she was pregnant.

I had suggested abortion, and he got very defensive and i believe called me the anti-christ. So they are currently carrying the baby to term in the 8th grade and get ridiculed constantly.

So do you guys think that they have ANY right whatsever to bring a child into this world? For both of their sake i hope they abort.
Edited by Cppc, Jul 3 2008, 09:06 AM.
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*GASP' Anti-christ! *points*

Meh. I think they should abort (no matter what Master says). Having a child when you're just 13 is lame.
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Jun 5 2008, 01:21 AM
Hmm. I believe sex is immoral besides with a husband/wife.
All animals have sex before marriage. I'm pretty sure nothing bad happens to them...

I didn't say you would die if you did it. I'm saying that I believe it's wrong, so you SHOULDN'T do it, just like you can lie and still live or kill someone and still live.
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And WHY is it wrong?
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eirik- I've had this debate with some friends of mine, and we got to the conclusion that:

* The people that were for abortion finally said that they thought it was horrible but people should have the option

Which is pointless, as it is the bad option.

Would you kill your future son just so you don't get nagged for 9 month? If you had sex without a condom, it's your problem tbh and NOT the childs. He has no fault and if you abort = kill it, you just killed a person and should go to jail for 26 years like here in Portugal (not the abortion, but for killing someone).
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I strongly disagree.

I'm for abortion and I don't think it's horrible AT ALL. To be honest, I don't think of it as a person unless it can think and breath on it's account. Is it wrong to kill a bug? No, because bugs are not individuals with feelings, dreams, emotions and hopes. A baby that is being developed is not a human until it's "done".

It's not just about "getting nagged for 9 months". Having a baby when you're too young can mess up both your own life and the baby's. A baby would be better off if it was killed before it could have a chance to understand what was happening, than living an entire life in misery, caused by a miserable childhood. YES, I know that having a miserable childhood does guarantee a messed up future, but the chance is VERY big.
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Cppc, In a situation like that, I'd suggest abortion. Because at 13 or 14, It can just completely ruin her education, thus more than likely ending in a bad life for the parents and baby, and it would've been better just to abort. The foetus in the womb doesn't have feelings until a certain time in Pregnancy.. (That's also why abortions are better done earlier).

And was there not something at the end of the first post that said Abortion can be discussed here as well? =/
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What a lot of people seem to forget is how flexible humans can be. There is a reason we have spread all over the world: We adept ourselves to our environment. We do this with everything. I think that if someone decides not to have an abortion, your life won't be messed up because of the baby, you'll adept to it. I know someone on my school who got pregnant and decided not to abort. Her boyfriend left her, so she and her parents had to take care of the baby. In the end, she managed to graduate. I haven't seen her since, but from what I've heard from friends, she and the baby are both doing well.

And yes, abortion is murder, no matter how you look at it. But I think people who do want to have an abortion, for whatever reason they might have, should have the choice to. I am not going to force my opinion onto them, nor do I want abortion to be abolished, but I do actually oppose it. Eventhough murder is terrible, I think that there are cases where exceptions can be made.
Edited by Blackt3ars, Jul 3 2008, 10:51 PM.
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Black is it just me, or have you changed your views on this in the past week or so?
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I'm now giving an example:

Jimmy is with his friends and they show him drugs.

a) Smoke (Bad choice)
b) Not smoke (Good choice)

If there was a chance in which the government could totally abolish the first choice, they would do it, right? After all, it's a bad choice.

Now imagine the same with the baby.

a) Abort
b) No abortion

The first choice is murder and therefore wrong. Before eirik starts flaming me that the baby doesn't have feelings yet, I'll say this:

You are taking the opportunity for that human being to live. That's the same as killing. Now if the a) choice is wrong, why do people still do it?
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Pfft... "flaming"...

Jimmy should definately take option B. But in the abortion case, it's different. There are a lot that can play a big part when you're taking that choice. If you're an adult with a perfectly stable life with a good lifepartner and good economy, then you should take option B. If you're a school kid on 13 years of age, with a very uncertain future, I say A. The reason for this is because I don't share you and Alex' opinion about abortion being murder.
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Its time for another example...

Boy meets girl, and they start dating in the 9th grade they feel they are ready and have sex for the first time. 2 weeks later the girl finds out she is pregnant and wants to abort, but the boy doesnt want to. So the girls parents kick her out and she and her boyfriend move into a sleezy hotel across town. The boy works at wal-mart during the day and has to resort to selling drugs at night.

6 months later in the delivery room she has the baby a month prematurely. It is unhealthy ad needs intensive care which is very expensive. So the girl has to resort to tricking herself out to support her family.

Her boyfriend has developed a drinking problem and one night when the baby is crying to much, he smothers it to death at the age of a 18 months.
So now the boy has 25 to life and the girl is a trick putting her life on the line everynight.

Seems like a lot of pain that could have been averted with an abortion. Of course that is a little exagerated and grim. But it can and has happened.
Edited by Cppc, Jul 4 2008, 07:23 AM.
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