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Topic Started: Jun 3 2008, 02:44 AM (1,531 Views)
Ganlo
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What do you think about this big issue in today's world? Thousands of teens across the world are pregnant, but not married? What do you think of this? Each year, 750,000 teenge girls between the age of 15-19 get pregnant. 46% of all teens in the US have had sex. Black women have the highest teen pregnancy rate (134 per 1,000 women aged 15-19), followed by Hispanics (131 per 1,000) and non-Hispanic whites (48 per 1,000). There were 214,750 abortions among 15-19-year-olds in 2002. I just put down some random facts about teen sex, and the numbers look kinda awful.

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This is a small chart in which you can see that more people have sex later in their life, towards the college-highschool level. This seems really likely, since people are more mature at that age, but there are problems with the pregnancy. A 29% of all pregnancies end up in abortion, 14% in miscarriage, and a whopping 57% end in birth. That means that a lot of teens have babies when they're in college, but most end up being ignored, and they probably receive no parental care, and may end up like some of the kids that drop out of school, or stuff like that.
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In 1997, the dropout rate for students ages 16 to 24 was 11 percent, indicating a slight decrease from the 1990 figure. The dropout rate for white students is lower than the rates for Hispanic and black students. For example, in 1997, the dropout rate for white, non-Hispanic students was 8 percent, 13 percent for black students and 25 percent for Hispanic students.


Teen pregnancy might be a problem, but this is bigger: Sexual abuse. Teens 16 to 19 were three and one-half times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault. According to the Justice Department, one in two rape victims is under age 18; one in six is under age 12. While 9 out of 10 rape victims are women, men and boys are also victimized by this crime. In 1995, 32,130 males age 12 and older were victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault. 26% of girls in grades 9-12 have been the victim of physical abuse, sexual abuse, or date-forced sex. One third of all high school and college students will have been in an abusive relationship by the time they graduate. 40% of teenage girls ages 14 to 17 report knowing someone their age who has been hit or beaten by a boyfriend. In a national study of college students, 27.5% of the women surveyed said that they had suffered rape or attempted rape at least once since age 14. Only 5% of those experiences were reported to the police. The term "hidden rape" has emerged because this survey and many other studies found that sexual assaults are seldom reported to the police.


This is a big problem people. What's your intake on it?


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http://www.soundvision.com/Info/teens/stat.asp
http://www.dvsac.org/prevparstats.html
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_ATSRH.html



Note: I copied and posted a lot of stuff.... >.>..... <.<...... >.>


Edit: Oh yeah, one more thing, KEEP IT CLEAN.
Edited by Ganlo, Jun 3 2008, 02:46 AM.
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In my opinion, having sex is up to you and you alone. I have nothing against teens having sex. Why should they wait?

I feel it's very importan that the school takes action and has sexual education down to 7th and 8th grade. In my class, some have had sex already, but some doesn't even know how to put on a condom.

And whne it comes to raping, I think that is a very bad crime, but I honestly can't understand why girls say that 1 rape will destroy their entire life. I mean, I would hate it and probably be a little mentally damaged, but I'm sure I wouldn't be damaged for the rest of my life.
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Dont forget Eirik, you're already kinda mentally damaged. ;)

Anyway, it's solely up to the children to have sex, and no (normal) meisure is going to prevent that. I suggest school have better sex-ed (not at younger age), and that parents should take responsibility and teach their children about sex, no matter how afraid they are of doing it (the teaching part).
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Jun 3 2008, 02:40 PM
Dont forget Eirik, you're already kinda mentally damaged. ;)
Indeed, but that's not because I was raped ;) .

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Anyway, it's solely up to the children to have sex, and no (normal) meisure is going to prevent that. I suggest school have better sex-ed (not at younger age), and that parents should take responsibility and teach their children about sex, no matter how afraid they are of doing it (the teaching part).


Why not at younger age? And by the way, define younger age?
Edited by Eirik, Jun 3 2008, 02:58 PM.
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If you ask me, I sometimes hate more rapers than people that kill. Don't ask me why.

Well I'm gonna state a true point here: So many teenagers have sex because they can abort and stuff. If they would unlegalize it the numbers would drop 40% in about 10 years. It's really their fault if they're pregnant, and raped girls can always abort, that was a law before anything else.

Eirik you can't know if you'd be mentally destroyed. I think I would be like 2 years in shock but I wouldn't tell it anybody, and that's the problem. If you've been raped you feel awful
Edited by Mr Master52, Jun 3 2008, 04:14 PM.
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Jun 3 2008, 02:57 PM
Why not at younger age? And by the way, define younger age?
Because I don't really think that at a younger age, children would really realise what it's all about. They would just laugh because of the funny words.

You might say that at that age, you were already 'mature', but I am pretty sure no one at that age is mature enough to realise the consequences of STD's fully.

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Well I'm gonna state a true point here: So many teenagers have sex because they can abort and stuff. If they would unlegalize it the numbers would drop 40% in about 10 years. It's really their fault if they're pregnant, and raped girls can always abort, that was a law before anything else.


I don't think it would drop Master. At almost all schools I know (I still talk a lot to my friends from elementary), teens have sex because they want to be part of a group, they want to be cool. I don't think they do it just because there is a way out if it goes wrong.

And even if abortion became illegal, what would prevent girls from just telling the doctor that they were raped, while in fact, they just got accidentally pregnant?
Recently in the Netherlands, there have been a lot of cases where girls would claim that they were sexually harrassed or even raped, just as an excuse to come home late.

I think that instead of trying to protect children from unwanted pregnancies, you should allow them to experiment some more. You just need to make sure that you inform them well about everything.

Well, this post has led to something which I consider very interesting: Is our current society over-protective?
Because I want to stay on topic, I am not going to discuss this here, but I might create a thread about it.
Edited by Blackt3ars, Jun 3 2008, 04:53 PM.
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Jun 3 2008, 04:52 PM
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Why not at younger age? And by the way, define younger age?
Because I don't really think that at a younger age, children would really realise what it's all about. They would just laugh because of the funny words.
I realise what it is all about, but I still laugh because of the funny words :D .
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You're too immature at times Eirik. You best grow up in real life, else you're getting nowhere ;)

Either way, sex in teens is common and natural. If our bodies didn't develop at this stage, then people probably wouldn't think about it. Though i did watch a documentary about a 14 year old mum last night. THAT is just ridiculous. Furthermore my age [16/17] seems like the perfect time. You're mature[ish] and it's the kind of age when it's legal. I'm all for sex within teens, but you've got to live up the responsibility if you get them pregnant. Trust me, i know many people who have been scared when their girlfriends have been late [a sign of possible pregnancy] and by experience, it's not a good thing :(
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Its also to do with there upbringing. Some parents don't really take care of the child properly and let them do what ever they want and dont care if they smoke etc. Because of this they end up making friends who have been brought up in the same way. Also because they have been able to get away with anything and don't really care they mess on in lessons and don't learn anything. When it comes to pass the GCSE's they fail, or know that they are going to fail before hand because they are so far behind and havent learnt anything. So knowing that they are probally going to fail because they have missed so much they continue to mess on and not care. When they do get bad GCSE's they don't want to/can't get into further education (collage etc). Since they can't get a good job they have nothing to look forward to. Some become prostitutes to earn money and end up getting pregnant. Some get pregnant because they feel like they need to feel wanted for something since they keep getting rejected at jobs. That is why there is quite a rise in number that have had sex at 16+. Unfortuantly they then treat the kids in the same way so their kids go through the same life and are trapped in a cycle (bit like the poverty cycle in America in the early 1900's).

Also like black said people think its cool to have sex; but there is one question that they can never answer, 'Why is sex cool?' At my school I'd say about 60-70% (maybe even more) of students in my year have had sex. There is about 270 students in my year.
Edited by Saj_61, Jun 4 2008, 05:10 PM.
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Jun 4 2008, 05:02 PM
You're too immature at times Eirik. You best grow up in real life, else you're getting nowhere ;)
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Hmm. I believe sex is immoral besides with a husband/wife. I'm not sure about sex-ed in classes like 7th grade...to me that just sounds way too young even if you don't care about marriage and just want the sex. I think parents should probably handle teaching kids about it and stuff. Soo...that's my opinion.
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"And whne it comes to raping, I think that is a very bad crime, but I honestly can't understand why girls say that 1 rape will destroy their entire life. I mean, I would hate it and probably be a little mentally damaged, but I'm sure I wouldn't be damaged for the rest of my life."

I'll get back to this one later. I have a LOT to say about that. Like.. You don't even know how close to home that hits for me. Look forward to it.
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Jun 5 2008, 01:21 AM
Hmm. I believe sex is immoral besides with a husband/wife.
All animals have sex before marriage. I'm pretty sure nothing bad happens to them...

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I'll get back to this one later. I have a LOT to say about that. Like.. You don't even know how close to home that hits for me. Look forward to it.


I -am- looking forward to it ;) .
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Jun 5 2008, 01:21 AM
Hmm. I believe sex is immoral besides with a husband/wife.
All animals have sex before marriage. I'm pretty sure nothing bad happens to them...

[/quote]I am pretty sure that animals do NOT marry. I agree with yow, it is stupid to think of sex as just pleasure, like "Oh I feel so bad right now, I'm gonna HEYDUDE my girlfriend. She ends up pregnant and you feel awful and leave her alone. Even if the baby would ruin her life she should give birth to it and in NO WAY abort it, as it's the same as killing a 3-year old child, it's defenceless.
I know that humans are animals but don't you realize that normal people are more developed than orangutans in the mountain forests of Ouagadougou? I know that in some times they aren't...

To add a discussion point:

I think this has all to do with the family. E.g. A rich kid whose parents hate him and don't care about him, will most probably get a girl pregnant than a kid that is well educated. That factor, imo, influences like 60% of all numbers up there.
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Jun 5 2008, 04:01 PM
I am pretty sure that animals do NOT marry. I agree with yow, it is stupid to think of sex as just pleasure, like "Oh I feel so bad right now, I'm gonna HEYDUDE my girlfriend. She ends up pregnant and you feel awful and leave her alone. Even if the baby would ruin her life she should give birth to it and in NO WAY abort it, as it's the same as killing a 3-year old child, it's defenceless.
I know that humans are animals but don't you realize that normal people are more developed than orangutans in the mountain forests of Ouagadougou? I know that in some times they aren't...

To add a discussion point:

I think this has all to do with the family. E.g. A rich kid whose parents hate him and don't care about him, will most probably get a girl pregnant than a kid that is well educated. That factor, imo, influences like 60% of all numbers up there.
Dolphins have sex just for pleasure...

So you're telling me that sex is ONLY to create a baby and if you don't want a baby, you shouldn't have sex at all?

And if a girl gets pregnant, but doesn't want the baby, all she has to do is to abort...

Your opinions on abortion is so weird. I know a lot of people think that way, but let's say that a girl gets raped. Should she have the baby and hate it for the rest of her life? Is it better to let the kid live miserably for it's entire life, when you can kill it before it comes to life and can feel?

And your point about the familiy is just odd.

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I am pretty sure that animals do NOT marry. I agree with yow, it is stupid to think of sex as just pleasure, like "Oh I feel so bad right now, I'm gonna HEYDUDE my girlfriend. She ends up pregnant and you feel awful and leave her alone. Even if the baby would ruin her life she should give birth to it and in NO WAY abort it, as it's the same as killing a 3-year old child, it's defenceless.
I know that humans are animals but don't you realize that normal people are more developed than orangutans in the mountain forests of Ouagadougou? I know that in some times they aren't...

To add a discussion point:

I think this has all to do with the family. E.g. A rich kid whose parents hate him and don't care about him, will most probably get a girl pregnant than a kid that is well educated. That factor, imo, influences like 60% of all numbers up there.

You'd rather see a child beaten to death than it been killed while it cant feel anything? It happens, parents dont want thier child so they beat them, sometimes to death, and tbh thats much much much worse than aborting a child. This is also like should you fertalise a sperm and egg and create stem cells to cure a genetic disease. Many people say that why not just let that fertalised egg become a baby and let the other child die? Well the answer is that child may have the same disease and imagine losing 5 kids because of the same genetic disease, suicide anyone?

Also your right about family life.

Random Fact: For the first 6 weeks in the womb everyone was female.
Edited by Saj_61, Jun 5 2008, 07:12 PM.
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Alright. This is quite an interesting debate. Are we going against Eirik again? Who seems to be saying that it's pretty much all justified?

First and foremost, good job on that post Ganlo. It was very informative and I enjoyed the layout. Now for some points that I'll cover in this post.
- Should kids younger than 18 have sex?
- What's the case with rape? Who's to blame? Can rape ruin one's life?
- Abortion.

The first topic that came to mind when scanning over this thread could seemingly be put into a question. Should kids younger than 18 have sex? This is quite a question. Some religious individuals may think that you should wait until you're married before you participate in sexual intercourse. However, I think that one shouldn't have to wait that long unless both partners agree to it. If you think that you're ready for it in your relationship, and are aware of the possible consequences that could be a result, then go ahead. I don't know what it's like, for I am still a virgin, however, I'm sure that sex is a magnificent activity. And why should age decide when you take part?

The second question can actually be split into many parts. The first part is, who's at fault for it? If it's one girl and one guy, and not any other combination. Then I'm going to say that the man would be at fault. From my experience, the dude just wants to get some and make himself feel good. Even if his girlfriend says no, and he goes ahead anyways without paying attention to what she actually wants then he's to blame. Now. Can rape ruin your life? Of course it can. You're being violated on a scale that cannot be matched in any way. Think about this. You've said no, or shown that you don't want to take part, and your partner, or perhaps someone that you don't know goes ahead regardless. I'll use my friend as an example. Her name will not be mentioned, because it isn't important for you to know. She was with her boyfriend for 4 months, and then he hit her and forced her into having sex. She may have said "No." once, and then given in, and some people may consider that not to be rape. However, I think that saying No one time should be enough.

She didn't tell anyone about what he did, because she was scared that she would be abused again if he had found out. This is common with victims of rape, they usually just want to keep it quiet and not talk about it. They're traumatized and usually aren't willing to take action. Or, sometimes they may have been forced to think that it was their fault and therefore won't tell anyone. So, think about the next time that you hear about a girl not telling anyone. Put yourself in her fuckin' shoes and imagine how bad things must be. Talking about it is NOT an easy thing to do.

Abortion. Wow. I'm on the fence with this topic. There are circumstances where abortion is necessary. Like, when a girl is raped and she can't afford to take care of an infant. As well as the effects that having a baby at a young age [13-16] has on your body when you're older. Whenever I hear people complaining about abortion, the first thing I think is "Fuck you, you don't know the circumstances, and it's none of your business, so just fuck off."
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Jun 5 2008, 07:55 PM
Alright. This is quite an interesting debate. Are we going against Eirik again? Who seems to be saying that it's pretty much all justified?

First and foremost, good job on that post Ganlo. It was very informative and I enjoyed the layout. Now for some points that I'll cover in this post.
- Should kids younger than 18 have sex?
- What's the case with rape? Who's to blame? Can rape ruin one's life?
- Abortion.

The first topic that came to mind when scanning over this thread could seemingly be put into a question. Should kids younger than 18 have sex? This is quite a question. Some religious individuals may think that you should wait until you're married before you participate in sexual intercourse. However, I think that one shouldn't have to wait that long unless both partners agree to it. If you think that you're ready for it in your relationship, and are aware of the possible consequences that could be a result, then go ahead. I don't know what it's like, for I am still a virgin, however, I'm sure that sex is a magnificent activity. And why should age decide when you take part?

The second question can actually be split into many parts. The first part is, who's at fault for it? If it's one girl and one guy, and not any other combination. Then I'm going to say that the man would be at fault. From my experience, the dude just wants to get some and make himself feel good. Even if his girlfriend says no, and he goes ahead anyways without paying attention to what she actually wants then he's to blame. Now. Can rape ruin your life? Of course it can. You're being violated on a scale that cannot be matched in any way. Think about this. You've said no, or shown that you don't want to take part, and your partner, or perhaps someone that you don't know goes ahead regardless. I'll use my friend as an example. Her name will not be mentioned, because it isn't important for you to know. She was with her boyfriend for 4 months, and then he hit her and forced her into having sex. She may have said "No." once, and then given in, and some people may consider that not to be rape. However, I think that saying No one time should be enough.

She didn't tell anyone about what he did, because she was scared that she would be abused again if he had found out. This is common with victims of rape, they usually just want to keep it quiet and not talk about it. They're traumatized and usually aren't willing to take action. Or, sometimes they may have been forced to think that it was their fault and therefore won't tell anyone. So, think about the next time that you hear about a girl not telling anyone. Put yourself in her fuckin' shoes and imagine how bad things must be. Talking about it is NOT an easy thing to do.

Abortion. Wow. I'm on the fence with this topic. There are circumstances where abortion is necessary. Like, when a girl is raped and she can't afford to take care of an infant. As well as the effects that having a baby at a young age [13-16] has on your body when you're older. Whenever I hear people complaining about abortion, the first thing I think is "Fuck you, you don't know the circumstances, and it's none of your business, so just fuck off."
I have to agree with some of this post.

While I am a Christian, I do not agree with "No sex before marriage" or anything and everything schools teach about sex. We should not be telling kids "SEX IS BAD DON'T DO IT" when they can go online and watch their favorite porn stars do it and live a perfectly fine life. Kids who want to have say will, and those who don't, won't. Instead, we should be education on how to have safe sex so we don't have to deal with abortions and such. The schools need to change their focus, because quite frankly, it's useless.

Secondly, I am quite a big fan of Law and Order SVU. Rape is serious, and is very hard to report and very hard to deal with. There are thousands of suicides every year from rape victims who feel like they are alone. Moreover, then EVERY person who looks at you will know you were raped. It is really embarrassing in most cases, and I'd think twice about reporting it should I somehow be a woman victim. For that reason, most rapes are kept quiet and no one really does find out, making some situations like hell for the victim.

As for abortion, 100% against it regardless of the circumstance. Period. You just killed a child for your well being. The only time I could ever see the slightest bit of justification is if a person was raped and got pregnant.

Not much, as I'm not a sex expert or anything like that, though that's just my two cents.
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Jun 6 2008, 12:53 AM
While I am a Christian, I do not agree with "No sex before marriage" or anything and everything schools teach about sex. We should not be telling kids "SEX IS BAD DON'T DO IT" when they can go online and watch their favorite porn stars do it and live a perfectly fine life. Kids who want to have say will, and those who don't, won't. Instead, we should be education on how to have safe sex so we don't have to deal with abortions and such. The schools need to change their focus, because quite frankly, it's useless.
I agree with you there.
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And Gill. About the raping thing, I still don't see how being violated against in that way can destroy a person's life...

Sure, it's horrible and stuff, but being messed up for 50 years afterwards? Nowaii.
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