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| Eddie | Nov 5 2008, 10:37 PM Post #181 |
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People don't die from doing weed, they do however die because of the problems that come later in life due to a weakened body. A few of my parent's friends who did drugs when they were younger are now dead for the most part, and the one that is still alive is very dumb, still does drugs, goes to the hospital monthly, and is only 45. |
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| Mr Master52 | Nov 6 2008, 06:33 PM Post #182 |
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Smoking weed is like smoking, you will most probably get cancer or, for normal drugs, you can get an overdosis and die. Everyone I see that does drugs/smokes at my age is going to die very, very early at my eyes (I'm 14). |
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| Joe | Nov 6 2008, 08:19 PM Post #183 |
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Smoking weed does not cause cancer, it's the tobacco that's added that causes cancer. Chances of getting cancer from smoking weed is very small compared to normal cigarettes. And you can't overdose on weed eitherrrr. :) |
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| Nick | Nov 8 2008, 02:38 AM Post #184 |
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I've had a friend who almost tried to force a cigarette in my mouth. :X Punched him in the face and spat on him for it. Nonetheless, he is no more my friend. I personally say NO to smoking, but that's a preference. My policy is: if it doesn't do much to me, I don't give a shit. My friend(good one btw) his girlfriend had ecstasy, LSD, weed, and drank while they were together. Oh, she had sex with her ex while drunk too. =/ He now is no longer friends with anyone who smokes, does drugs or drinks now. (That's like, three people too.) Edited by Nick, Nov 8 2008, 02:38 AM.
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| Eddie | Nov 8 2008, 03:21 AM Post #185 |
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Sad, sad, world these days. |
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| Blackt3ars | Nov 12 2008, 07:13 PM Post #186 |
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I am strongly against alcohol. The most important reason is my own bad experience with it (puking and such), but I am also against it because it's actually unnatural to drink it. Alcohol was invented as a drink in the Dark ages because of the unhealthy water. The alcohol in beer killed all the germs in the water, making it drinkable. It actually took our body quite a while to 'evolve' to drinking beer. You can see this when you look at Japanese. They never had water issues, and their liver can't process alcohol well. They get drunk after one glass and a very red blush (or so I've read). When being drunk, it feels like your not yourself anymore. Your body is still there, but your mind is in a completely different world. You can also see this when you look at drunk people. They don't really look like themselves anymore. With weed it's different. Smoking herbs is something that is done since the beginning of Homo Sapiens Sapiens, several thousands of years ago. (don't have sources right now, but I read an article about 5000 year old hallucinative herbs being found). Also, you can't get lungcancer from weed, however, you do get it from burning the weed, which produces tar, which is carcinogenic. Weed isn't a drug that changes your personality, it just makes you feel better than usual. If you look at other drugusers, such as crystal meth addicts (worst drug possible) or heroin addicts, and look into their eyes, you can actually see that 'their soul isn't there'. The light's on, but no one is home. One way of trying out weed safely without inhaling all the toxic fumes like tar is by using a vaporizer. What this does is it vaporizes the THC, the active component in weed, into the air, without the smoke that contains all kinds of carcinogenic stuff. It basically burns the weed, but without exposing it to a naked flame. Using drugs is completely up to you, and you should only try it if you feel comfortable about it. If you don't, the trip might turn out a lot worse than you would expect. Edited by Blackt3ars, Nov 12 2008, 07:13 PM.
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| Mr Master52 | Nov 19 2008, 06:39 PM Post #187 |
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I like your way of thinking alex, not absolutely against it and letting people choose... but wasn't it better preventing the people from choosing it? |
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| 1337 Sk1llzz | Nov 21 2008, 01:56 AM Post #188 |
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To OD on weed you would have to smoke double your body weight in less than an hour, and its chances of causing cancer are extremely thin. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone dying directly from weed. Don't know why it's illegal in the U.S. |
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| Blackt3ars | Nov 21 2008, 11:32 PM Post #189 |
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Nope, since that's not up to me. You can't make the choices for people, whether wrong or right. They need to make their owns. That's what free will is all about. They might screw up, but we all did, and still do. And we've learned from those mistakes. If a mistake might cost someone his life, I might advise him not to do so, but if they want to try it, I will not stop them. Getting killed, or killing themselves is their own choice then.
Well, the one problem we have here, is the high crime rate because of the small weed plantations. You see, we have kind of a strange policy here. Customers are allowed to buy the weed from the shop, and the shop is allowed to sell it. However, it is illegal for the shop to purchase any weed for selling. (makes sense right ;) ). The Dutch government doesn't act against coffeeshops though. They just tolerate it. However, in recent years, more and more organised crime plantations have spawned around the Netherlands. These plantations bring with them a lot of crime, because they try to take out the competition. A lot of small, private plantations get robbed, and they can't go to the police, since growing weed is illegal. This is also one of the reasons the government wants to abolish weed. As of January next year, mushrooms are already illegal. If we're unlucky, weed will be next. Edited by Blackt3ars, Nov 21 2008, 11:40 PM.
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| Danielle | Nov 23 2008, 06:57 AM Post #190 |
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In Australia its illegal to buy weed or sell it but you can grow it yourself if you use it yourself on your property You can grow 2 bushes max I have 1 |
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| Jack Sam1 | Nov 24 2008, 11:29 PM Post #191 |
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Okay Black, your point that drinking alcohol isn't natural is fair. Yet, your point that, because Homo Sapiens Sapiens smoked weeds, it makes it natural is not fair. Is it natural for any being to inhale smoke? Our bodies cannot cope with the toxins, no matter if they don't cause cancer or not, so smoking drugs is unnatural. Also, I have particular qualms with smokers. With drinkers, they choose to drink, and in moderation, they do not affect other people in the area. It does cause harm, we know that, but they are only harming themselves. With smokers, however, the smoke travels in the air, getting into the lungs of the unwilling to inhale. That is extremely unfair. I know you may reply `They can smoke in zones especially for smokers` but that isn't sufficent. 85% of fumes are invisible, so the actual extent of fumes is far greater than what is believed. I think I am right in saying this, but more passive smokers die of cancer than actual smokers do. This is because the fumes become more dangerous when exhaled. If the drinkers were to start spraying their drink at me, then my opinion will change on the matter :P |
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| Blackt3ars | Nov 25 2008, 11:43 AM Post #192 |
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It's true that smoking is much more dangerous to the environment than drinking (unless they start to drive), but that's why when I smoke weed, I do it by myself outdoor, or with friends who smoke too. I would never want to expose friends who don't smoke to it. Also, it's not completely true that our bodies cannot cope with the 'toxins', because if they couldn't you'd either be dead, or stoned all the time. However, your body is able to break down the substances and they leave you body harmlessly. It's true that it's not exactly good for the smoker, but with weed I am willing to take my chances with it. |
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| Jack Sam1 | Nov 25 2008, 11:50 AM Post #193 |
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Doesn't alcohol do that too? Also, I see you fail to argue whether or not smoking is natural. Alcohol comsumption can be said to be natural, as (I can't remember what did this-our descendants some time in the past) gathered and ate rotten fruit, as it produced an alcohol-which they enjoyed. |
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| Blackt3ars | Nov 25 2008, 07:47 PM Post #194 |
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Hmm, you're right. Guess I viewed that part from the wrong perspective. I still think alcohol is worse for your body than smoking weed, as long as you do it by yourself, or with others who smoke too. |
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| Jack Sam1 | Nov 25 2008, 07:56 PM Post #195 |
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Hmm...we seem to be coming to an agreement here. It goes as a given, that both in excess has terrible implications, but if enjoyed in moderation have little if no detriment to our bodies. I won't be doing drugs of any kind though, as you cannot be sure what you are getting, the danger, and of the stigma associated with drugs. I don't know about Netherlands, but drugs are frowned upon across the Channel. Well...more than frowned upon-punishable with jail. |
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| Nath | Nov 27 2008, 03:25 PM Post #196 |
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When ive had a drink I love to have a smoke, the rush feels good, but Weed is 100x better than drinking or smoking normal fags |
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| Yowming41 | Dec 5 2008, 11:05 PM Post #197 |
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Woops, a little late right here. Well, I sort of agree with Black's idea of giving 'em the choice to do it if theiy don't like living anymore or something. But you disagreed with master in that we should outlaw it. And yet suicide is a crime. That's harming yourself. It's not harming anyone else (unless you are bad at it or want to 'go out iwth a bang' i.e. with a bomb in school or something) and yet we outlaw it. Should we not then outlaw smoking? just something to think about. ^__^ |
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