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Atheism
Topic Started: Feb 6 2008, 09:46 PM (3,223 Views)
1337 Sk1llzz
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc-mrJf45Hg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjAegPhQOUg

This videos are really interesting. I'm not saying they're 100% true, but they definitely make you think.
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Gill
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I believe there isn't a God.

Whether this is right or wrong, doesn't matter to me. Say what you want, I don't believe there's a penalty for not believing in something I don't believe exists. :P

Pretty sure that was made clear by my signature, but I'm not all that sure.
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Z Dumbledore
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Haha, yeah it was Gill.
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Blackt3ars
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kewl movies 1337. I've heard of it a while ago, but never took the effort to watch :P .
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my view of religion would offend people.....
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Z Dumbledore
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Just say it :P
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All of us have opinions about this stuff-just sayt it :P
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Z Dumbledore
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Evidently he's too busy at aviansies.
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Ganlo
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Did you guys see the new family guy?

http://www.hulu.com/watch/64995/family-guy-not-all-dogs-go-to-heaven#s-p1-so-i0
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Dark, say it :P
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Gill
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Dark, if you say your opinion, I'm sure we'll be able to keep the peace and establish a new debate [if needed] within this thread.

Plus, I'm curious. Could it be worse than my signature? Also, consider what extreme atheists have been saying in times of frustration. I'm sure your opinion couldn't be any more offensive than theirs. :P

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There hasn't been much debate lately on this thread so say it :p
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOfjkl-3SNE

Check it out.

Oh and,
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent. Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him God?"-Epicurus
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I'm wondering if anyone ever heard of Pascal's Gambit? Basically it says that by not believing in a god, you deny yourself any shot you may have at a heaven. However, if you simply believe in God or another deity, then your giving yourself a shot at heaven, so why deny yourself that opportunity when you have so little to lose if you do and so much if you don't.
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I have heard of something along those lines drew, probably just rot off one of my grandparents though :P.
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Yea, I cam across it a few years ago, but just as Pascal himself states, this wager only applies when reason can not be trusted. I trust my reason, therefore the wager does not apply on me.
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Drew, I've also heard that point before, but it doesn't necessarily mean you go to heaven, unless you create your own little religion. I'm a Christian, and according to the Bible you cannot just believe in God and go to heaven. Satan believes in God, and he's certainly not getting in. Other religions involve doing other things as well, like doing good works, ect. I know of no religion where you just 'believe' there is a God and that gets you to heaven. What if you 'believed' that Obama existed, does that mean he should do anything for you?
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I understand what you are saying Yowming, and I know that, I just subscribe to the idea that people are inherently good, and some religions do not require you to attend church often, if at all, and to avoid damnation, you should simply not commit high crimes, such as murder, or something similar. What I'm saying is that you won't avoid any effort, but some religions need little more than obeying one's conscience.

Personally, I am catholic, so this is definitely not my view, its just something I think current atheists should look into.
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Yowming41
May 16 2009, 01:55 PM
according to the Bible
Don't cite the bible. It also says homosexuals should be killed, children who talk back should be killed, and is full of contradictions. It was also written by shepherds and fishermen who lived more than 2000 years ago, and who knew less about the world than the average 12 year old learns in a science class today.

And a question, if God is so loving, why would he want anyone to spend an eternity in hell? If someone stole some money from you, killed one person, and denied that you exist, would you want them to experience eternal torture? If you do than you have some serious anger problems.
Edited by 1337 Sk1llzz, May 17 2009, 08:03 PM.
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God is completely, 100% just. He will get perfect justice from every man and woman on Earth. God's reason for sending sinners to Hell is to get justice, not revenge, which is what you're talking about. He sends them to Hell because what they did was wrong. He gets no pleasure in it. He would rather everyone accept His message of forgiveness and go to Heaven.
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