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| Yowming41 | Oct 23 2008, 06:59 PM Post #141 |
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Interesting, but no one has really given me an answer for why we don't murder each other for sport. Ps- also, I'm always wondering: If monkeys evolved, why do we still have monkeys? For that matter, why do we have animals? Never knew that. :o Edited by Yowming41, Oct 23 2008, 07:00 PM.
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| Danielle | Oct 23 2008, 08:08 PM Post #142 |
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We dont murder each other for sport that would be silly... we do murder each other for 'tactical advantage' and oil... oh and because we want the perfict race and if we didnt have animals we would not have meat or some plants remember we cannot live without animals |
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| Bunni Killer | Oct 23 2008, 09:50 PM Post #143 |
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Yow, would you start killing people the second you believed that God wasn't going to punish you for it? If the answer is yes, that says a lot about you--that you only "love" people for fear of retribution. Fortunately, most people are NOT like that--or if they are, they find retribution enough in the law. Compassion is not unique to humans, let alone humans with religion. In fact, it's a pretty universal trait among mammals, who are more social animals altogether. A lot of that stems from mothers caring for and nursing young long after birth. From an evolutionary standpoint, compassion is required for young, helpless mammals to survive. Animal compassion is imperfect--just like that of humans. It isn't always overriding. (By the way, we DO kill humans for sport. It's called war.) Much more unique than our sense of compassion is our ability to extend that compassion beyond our species--but again, that tends to be limited. While someone may feel compassionate towards the kitten in front of him, that usually does not extend to the cow in a slaughterhouse 50 miles away. As for the whole "monkeys evolving out" thing...Gah, where to begin. Please read up on evolution, Yow--if nothing else, so that you may know your enemy. Your concept of it is very limited, beginning with the common Creationist myth that we evolved from monkeys. We did NOT evolve from monkeys. Again: we did NOT evolve from monkeys. We share what is called a common ancestor with them--something which evolved different ways and became different things. Secondly, evolution is not linear. An entire species does not spontaneously turn into another all at once. It's more like a tree (in fact, trees are often used to illustrate evolution) in that, when a new branch forms, the old one does not always disappear. if the old species does disappear, it isn't because of the new one but because it was no longer able to survive on its own. Consider this (very crude, very primitive, not-to-be-taken-as-fact) example: Let's say the ape-like ancestor is somewhere in Africa, and is being preyed on by ground animals. Certain members of that species are able to escape being preyed on by using their intellects to create crude tools. These members go on to become humans. But other members of the species escape by climbing trees. These become monkeys. Somewhere along the line, the first species will probably die out, but in the meantime members of that species coexist with early humans and early monkeys. Again, that is not a scientific explanation of how humans and monkeys developed--it's meant only to show you a basic concept of how the process works. |
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| Yowming41 | Oct 24 2008, 07:01 PM Post #144 |
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"Let's say the ape-like ancestor is somewhere in Africa, and is being preyed on by ground animals. Certain members of that species are able to escape being preyed on by using their intellects to create crude tools. These members go on to become humans. But other members of the species escape by climbing trees. These become monkeys." Hmm, a good point. Or at least, better explained than my..."understanding" of evolution. Also, war isn't often for sport. Some people may like killing, but I'm pretty sure it's mostly to gain something by beating the opposing side, not, I dunno, relishing screaming bloody people. But I'm sure there are a few like that. Danniele, it's true that we need (or at the very least, it's quite helpful) to have animals and plants. But what decided that we should have those instead of lots of humans and no anmals? Or at least have the other animals evolve into this pre-ape/human thing that Bunni described? If we only share a common ancestor with monkeys, apes, ect, I was thinking that other animals ought to have evolved into something different. either that, or evolution just spread wide out instead of basic things such as humans/apes. Edited by Yowming41, Oct 24 2008, 07:05 PM.
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| Danielle | Oct 25 2008, 04:20 AM Post #145 |
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War isnt a sport... its a way of showing whos better and getting what you want.. As for evolution we came out on top and the others are just slower... (havent you played spore).. other animals are learning to use tools such as rocks ect.. remember thats what we used to do then we got guns ect... (havent you played empire earth)... |
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| Blackt3ars | Oct 25 2008, 03:30 PM Post #146 |
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Do you mean why we are the only 'intelligent' lifeform on this planet? The only one with a conscience? It's very hard to say why that happened. Why we developed a conscience and bigger brains, and all other apes didn't. I'm saying apes since they are our closest relatives and we share about 99% of our dna with them. What was it in that 1% that gave us a conscience? Also, it's not true that monkeys are our only relatives. There are several animals with whom we share a large proportion of our dna, also meaning that we have the same ancestors. I even remember reading somewhere that we share some of our dna <30% with certain plants. The evolution theory asumes that life began with several micro-organisms. Every living thing on this planet is related to those micro-organisms, so we are all distant relatives. |
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| Yowming41 | Oct 26 2008, 04:07 PM Post #147 |
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Ok, that makes a little more sense. (Refferring to the idea of everyone 'related', not just humans and apes.) And no, never played either game, Danielle. Might be missing out though. Whoknowz. |
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| Mr Master52 | Nov 4 2008, 08:42 PM Post #148 |
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Yow, the answer for that is in the Bible. God created men (and not women :P *joke*) so that we rule over the animals and "watch over them" |
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| 1337 Sk1llzz | Nov 21 2008, 01:53 AM Post #149 |
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Master, that's a very narrow point of view. My theology teacher said that it is believed that evolution is real, but God guided it with his own intervention. He didn't just form us out of clay and blow life into us, like the Bible says. Some of the things in the Bible make no sense, and are meant to represent other things. |
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| Yowming41 | Jan 4 2009, 04:58 AM Post #150 |
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(sorry to be a lil' late here) L337, isn't that a little 'narrowminded' as well? Master says God created people. You say He did it through evolution. I mean, no offence, but neither side has proof right there. I've often heard/read about an idea about the 6 days of Creation in the Bible actually representing billions of years, or some long period of time (not just 24 hours). And yet in Genesis, the third day is the creation of plants and trees upon the Earth. The fourth is the creation of the lights, the greater and the lesser, i.e. the sun and the moon. I find it interesting that plants survived a billion years or so without heat. I know people sometimes think of God's "let there be light" as the source of that, but that was (in my opinion, i guess) just light. The sun provides heat and is a main cause in plant survival. (although, not being an herbologist or anything like that, I dunno how plants could survive 1 day without heat :/) Sorry for the, erm, sermon there. :/ |
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| Saj_61 | Jan 4 2009, 05:54 AM Post #151 |
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Plants need light for photosynthesis (spelling?). So they couldnt live billions of years without light. |
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| Blackt3ars | Jan 4 2009, 10:17 AM Post #152 |
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Yow, 1337 isn't being narrow minded. What Masters did was basically using a bible stereotype. 1337 disapproved that and gave a more modern version. Talking about religion isn't narrow minded. Narrow minded means looking at something from just one point of view. It is true that some scholars suggest that the time before the creation of light (so the moon, stars and sun) actually lasted longer than suggested, since there was no time at that point. No one is sure how long this is though, and most people come up with different times. A funny fact is that Isaac Newton also tried to calculate the time Creation took. Using different interpretations, he calculated that the universe was 15.3 billion years old. The funny thing about that is that scholars today have estimated it is about 13.7 billion years old. No one in his time got even close to that, but he missed it by just 11%. |
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| Yowming41 | Jan 6 2009, 02:46 AM Post #153 |
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...uh, exactly my point :p |
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| Nick | Jan 8 2009, 12:59 AM Post #154 |
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Things evolve, maybe plants didn't NEED photosynthesis back then. maybe they got the food they need through something else(I dunno how, it COULD be possible). |
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| Yowming41 | Jan 10 2009, 03:02 AM Post #155 |
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Hrmm....that's an interesting thuoght... |
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| Z Dumbledore | Mar 26 2009, 03:20 AM Post #156 |
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Ok, I know this is old but I wanted to point out some things. Atheist: One who denies the existence of a 'God.' Agnostic: One who neither truly believes or disbelieves in a particular 'God.' Some may believe that the existence of a 'God' is possible but not have a compulsion to believe in one. Correct me if I'm wrong. And for the record, wars have been made over religion. The Crusades. |
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| Blackt3ars | Mar 26 2009, 07:57 PM Post #157 |
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I'm kinda agnostic, although I don't like being labeled as one :L . |
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| Yowming41 | Mar 26 2009, 08:07 PM Post #158 |
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Why don't you like the label? Just curious. |
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| Blackt3ars | Mar 26 2009, 08:16 PM Post #159 |
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I don't know really. I just like it when I am able to express my ideas about religion, filosophy, and other subjects, without a label being immediately attached to me. Hence, I will admit my ideas are very agnostic, but I will never say that I am one. |
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| Z Dumbledore | Mar 27 2009, 12:33 AM Post #160 |
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Yeah, I know how you feel Black. But if somebody asks me, I tell them I'm agnostic and explain why/how I feel about it. |
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