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Atheism
Topic Started: Feb 6 2008, 09:46 PM (3,226 Views)
Mr Master52
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The point is eirik, that people only believe in material things. Material things are not even 0.000000000000000000000000000000000001% of what WE are. WE are our soul and spirit, and of course also a BIT braining. Are you going to say that you do NOT have a soul?
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I do think I have a soul, but I find material things more important ^_^.
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I find material things important now....after 70 years on Earth when I die I won't care about them anymore after that.
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I have this view on material things and souls/spiritual things ;):

Material things has value to me, because they exist NOW, and because I KNOW that they makes my life better.

Soul/spiritual things has not a big value in my life, as I don't know if they exist, and they can do nothing to make my life better and more comfortable NOW. They MIGHT make it better when I die, but who wants to look forward to your death??

"Wooohoo! Just 70 years until I can use the benefits of my soul and spiritual... stuff!" Meh. :P
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Eirik you said you don't care about your soul/spirit? Where you gonna spend longer time? In the earth or in the eternity?
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Well, since I believe in reïncarnation, I hope to be spending more time on earth (although an eternity with a very lovely girl doesn't sound that bad either :))
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Black...if you always revive... there are four things:

a) Where do you come from?
b)There are always more people. So you saying there are infinite souls?
c)In somewhat mill/bill years the sun will turn into a...we say a white something. What will happen to us? Revive in any other planet randomly?
d)Do you revive as a rock? ^^
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i belive there was a war between to very powerful people

that the gods ( aliens) came from the sky throug hthe light

the bible was transcripted becuase peop0el were worked hard making stone henge and prymids ect

so the bible was ther escape

beause one person try to stand up for them all,

and he dided

the aliens tryed there hardist to turn human aganst human

so no1 would relise

the bible was full of story of him and ther escape to make them belive there were stil lhope ;)

athemism is wrong - belive my story ;)
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Master, you're looking at it from a wrong perspective.

I don't think about that stuff, I just accept it, because it feels right. This is also the way religions work. People believe something, because they feel it's right. Nothing is going to change that.
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dirty emo1
Mar 28 2008, 07:20 PM
i belive there was a war between to very powerful people

that the gods ( aliens) came from the sky throug hthe light

the bible was transcripted becuase peop0el were worked hard making stone henge and prymids ect

so the bible was ther escape

beause one person try to stand up for them all,

and he dided

the aliens tryed there hardist to turn human aganst human

so no1 would relise

the bible was full of story of him and ther escape to make them belive there were stil lhope ;)

athemism is wrong - belive my story ;)
As crazy as that sounds, it is actually a very logical theory. Aliens would actually make way more sense than gods.

Science is full of theories. Religion is a theory since nothing can be proved. Therefore, Religion is Science.
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Jun 11 2008, 11:51 PM
Science is full of theories. Religion is a theory since nothing can be proved. Therefore, Religion is Science.
A cat has four legs. Therefore, everything with four legs is a cat.

Pretty much the same logic. I makes no sense (to me, at least), but it can be funny as hell :P
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Hunter
Jun 11 2008, 11:51 PM
dirty emo1
Mar 28 2008, 07:20 PM
i belive there was a war between to very powerful people

that the gods ( aliens) came from the sky throug hthe light

the bible was transcripted becuase peop0el were worked hard making stone henge and prymids ect

so the bible was ther escape

beause one person try to stand up for them all,

and he dided

the aliens tryed there hardist to turn human aganst human

so no1 would relise

the bible was full of story of him and ther escape to make them belive there were stil lhope ;)

athemism is wrong - belive my story ;)
As crazy as that sounds, it is actually a very logical theory. Aliens would actually make way more sense than gods.

Science is full of theories. Religion is a theory since nothing can be proved. Therefore, Religion is Science.
there is no living being bigger than a bee in some light years away, so they would never be able to do that. At 10% of light speed you would be squished like a bug and to reach the nearest POSSIBLE planet to live on you would have to travel MILLIONS of years on high speed.

To Black: A cat has four legs, fur with different colours, x organs of x size, as babies they have the cromossons a and b, their genes are x and y-like... it differs. E.g. a cat is named cat, there is no dog race that is named "cat" so therefore, a cat is not a dog.

To Atheists: I have a very nice example for why people believe in God or any other god and why some people don't. It is kind of weird but: You KNOW that when you open your room door, you will enter your room, right? ABSOLUTELY sure that you will enter your room and only into your room. If you tell a friend about that, he may say "Wow how do I now that the door leads to your room? Give me a proof" And you look at him like "wtf the freaking door leads to my room lol, why do you need a proof? You just open it and walk into my room!"
You can't believe he doesn't believe in your "theory" that you are sure about. Voilà.

EDIT: No stupid comments like some friends of mine made at school -.-
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there is no living being bigger than a bee in some light years away

There is no way of proving that.
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At 10% of light speed you would be squished like a bug

What you forget is that in space, there are no forces working against you. It's just you, your ship, and a vacuum. There's no air friction, so you wouldn't be squished.
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To reach the nearest POSSIBLE planet to live on you would have to travel MILLIONS of years on high speed.

Actually, the closest exoplanet is only 15 lightyears away. Travelling with 10% of light speed, that would take us 150 years.
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To Black: A cat has four legs, fur with different colours, x organs of x size, as babies they have the cromossons a and b, their genes are x and y-like... it differs. E.g. a cat is named cat, there is no dog race that is named "cat" so therefore, a cat is not a dog.

What I was doing, is proving to Hunter that his theory is incorrect too. Like you already proved, you can't base my reasoning on one fact. The same goes for religion and science.


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-It would be noticed by the radio waves we send out and if it would be THAT smart to build a spaceship it would be noticed by us
-10% of light speed is 30 THOUSAND km/SECOND. For the sake of your health you shouldn't even travel 50.000km/h. You would die in a second
-Travelling with 20.000km/h, it would take very very very long. Still if there were intelligent beings with spaceships millions of years ahead of us, we would have noticed them by now
-Okai :)

PS: Let's stay on topic: Atheism
Edited by Mr Master52, Jun 12 2008, 06:37 PM.
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Well, it's been a year since I made this thread, and I think I changed my mind about religion. I'm on the verge of atheism. Right now I believe there is a God, but all he did was cause evolution and the big bang. This God also regulates everything. He is omniscient, but he can't speak through a burning bush or make someone walk on water.

I want to be an atheist, but whenever I say, "There, I am now officially an athesit", something in my head tells me I'm gonna burn in hell.

I'm just confused...
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Well, I...can't really help you there, L337. I think that the main reason that atheists are atheists, no matter whether they have good proof or bad proof, is because the alternative (believing, and thus serving and being judged by God) is unthinkable to them. It's like getting rid of their 'freedom'. They couldn't control their own lives, or decide what's 'right' for them (Yes, if you think about it I could shoot everyone and it'd be fine since animals kill each other, and we're just like them, aren't we? We shouldn't need standards. If God doesn't decide what's right for me, I think -I- will.)
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Well 1337, we can't convince you to either part, and this discussion shouldn't have troubled your beliefs, as the atheist arguments are easier to accept.
And that voice inside of your head, y'know, that's what saved some people's lives.
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Why are Roman Catholics against sexism, yet women arent allowed to be priests. How Hypocritical is that. You cant be against something but be doing it at the same time knowing that your doing it.
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Oct 1 2008, 08:10 PM
Well 1337, we can't convince you to either part, and this discussion shouldn't have troubled your beliefs, as the atheist arguments are easier to accept.
And that voice inside of your head, y'know, that's what saved some people's lives.
This isn't what did it. It's just a lot of what the church says is bullshit. Just like Saj said, the church is extremely hypocritical. One of the commandments is 'Thou shall not steal. Now, do you really think every single dollar the church gets in donations goes to the poor or hospitals? How do you think some churches are so huge and have marble floors and millions worth of other things. And don't say people make donations that go to building the church because I'm sure no one donates that much.
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No one is perfect. The church is no exception.
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