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Atheism
Topic Started: Feb 6 2008, 09:46 PM (3,227 Views)
Blackt3ars
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The fact it, how real everything might look, feel, or sound, it can all be a desception. There are a lot of people who think the whole world is an illusion.

I think the only real proof there is, is ones soul, and his love.
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Alex - Yes, it can be, but I never worry about it, I just live life the way it is, no matter if it is an illusion or not, and enjoying the ride :P.
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What I'm trying to say is that it's wrong to just take everything as you see it. Think about it, even if it's just for a second. You should always listen to your feelings first, and then judge by your surroundings.
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Hm. I don't understand where you are going? You trying to tell me that even though there are no proof of a god, there are no proof of anything else either?
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I'm not saying that there is no proof for anything, I'm saying that when people are telling or showing you things, you should always listen to your own feelings first, and not mindlessly believe everything, just because you see it.

There is more to the eye than you can see ;).
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Aha. And this is related to Atheism how? :P
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That you should always listen to your feeling. and not just trust the facts.

If your feelings say there is no god, then you should go by that and become an atheist. You shouldn't become an atheist just because 'there is no proof'.

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Ah. Well, I have a very different view. I don't trust my feelings and have never been good at feelings either. I trust cold proofs, instead of listening to my feelings, as they have never done me anything good before :(.
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Your deeper feelings are very rarely wrong. You just need to listen really carefully. ^_^
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I'm very bad at listening to my feelings <_<.
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I mean...you atheists are really contraditory... first, you say there must be a material proof for everything. But, you also love, and you can't say there is no love, you wud be stupid if you did so, so you saying to love is a complex chemical process which involves the hypotalamus and pheromones? I believe in god because it makes WAY more sense to me believing in him, and we are not blaming him Eirik, we shud blame OURSELVES because we are too ignorant!! We say that wolves are bad and we kill millions of animals per day just for fun... and if a bear kills a human, it's a big drama. I would sacrifice 4k people of my choice for a bear in the blink of an eye.
Let's try the sofa again...look at a wall and imagine a sofa. Where is it? In your head? Can you PROOVE it? No, you feel that it's in your head, same as WE feel that god exists. We're not saying he watches you when you poop or that he made the world in 7 days, you guys are just too superficial and materialists....as Blackie said, there needn't to be a proof. Dude, yeah good, pretty good, I'm 99% convict that there was a big bang, but, physycally it's impossible so there MUST be something that started it. From nothing nothing can be won, so there IS a head-maestro
In this case -------------------------------------------------> god
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you atheists are really contraditory

So are you religious ppl


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so you saying to love is a complex chemical process which involves the hypotalamus and pheromones?

It is...

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I believe in god because it makes WAY more sense to me believing in him

Thats because evolution programmed your brain to believe in god, it was something very helpful for prehistoric humans. But not much anymore, like hair: used to protect us from the cold, but now we can make our own stuff to keep our head warm :)

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We say that wolves are bad and we kill millions of animals per day just for fun... and if a bear kills a human, it's a big drama. I would sacrifice 4k people of my choice for a bear in the blink of an eye.

Me too. But doesnt the bible say that god created the animals to serve men?

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Let's try the sofa again...look at a wall and imagine a sofa. Where is it? In your head? Can you PROOVE it?

If you give me a machine that transforms the energy in your brain cells into images, I sure can prove it.

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I'm 99% convict that there was a big bang, but, physycally it's impossible

It is possible. The gravity (gravity is the energy that attracts matter into each other) pulled all the matter of the universe into the size of a pinhead, but since everything thats hot tends to expand, it exploded into the big bang :)


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so there MUST be something that started it. From nothing nothing can be won, so there IS a head-maestro

I could say the same of god... Where did he come from?
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Ah. Good points Jac ;). I was going to argument myself, but I'm too lazy :P.
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Blackt3ars
Mar 8 2008, 08:24 PM
The fact it, how real everything might look, feel, or sound, it can all be a desception. There are a lot of people who think the whole world is an illusion.

I think the only real proof there is, is ones soul, and his love.

We could all be living in some strange figment of someone's imagination.
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Or we could all be secretly controlled by aliens and think that we're making our own decisions. Who knows for 100% sure? I believe in God, you believe in evolution, woop dee doo. Doesn't make one of us stupid and one of us smart. Just answers differ. I have seen miracles in my own life but you wouldn't believe me anywas so I won't talk about them.

Jacare, have you read the Bible? It says animals were to serve men, yes. It ALSO says that God intended for humans to live for eternity. Sin messed up all those plans, and created all the bad things, I.E. Wolves and bears eating people instead of hugging them or whatever.

Also- your evolution "brainwash" thing just made me crack up, no offence. Don't see how the heck it was helpful to prehistoric humans as opposed to us.
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Also- your evolution "brainwash" thing just made me crack up, no offence. Don't see how the heck it was helpful to prehistoric humans as opposed to us.


If you are a caveman with a torch in a freezing mountain filled with beasts trying to get a little food for your family you would want to have someone to be with you, wouldnt you? But when you have clothes, shotguns, satelite thingys and a car you wouldnt need to be so worried.
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Jac when you tried to contradict my arguments, you missed one thing: we are all men. You can't say: aah yes, gimme a machine and I tell you what. If you do it, I say: Ahh yes, go talk to the pope and try to brainwash him that there is no god, I give u 29392939329m if you make it.
+ You ask how god was there before everything? Well, b4 the universe there was no space-time graphic so there couldn't have been time. God is just too perfect for you to believe in, what? I mean, even the pope is too stupid to understand how god was created. We all are too stupid.
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you missed one thing: we are all men.

No we are not. Sue, Emg, Bel, and Gas are women.

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You can't say: aah yes, gimme a machine and I tell you what.

Why not?

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Well, b4 the universe there was no space-time graphic so there couldn't have been time.

Thats the same explanation for what was before the big bang...

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We all are too stupid.

Yes (except Chuck Norris)
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Actually, this topic is hard to discuss, as no matter what any of us say, the other peoples will still believe in what they believe in O.o.
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No we are not. Sue, Emg, Bel, and Gas are women.


Why not?


Thats the same explanation for what was before the big bang...


Yes (except Chuck Norris)

Not even gonna respond to this one...

Because such a machine doesn't exist yet ;).

Some scientists believe that our universe is expanding and imploding 'it pules'. What there was before the universe started pulsing? no idea :S .

Not gonna respond to that one either...
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