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Atheism
Topic Started: Feb 6 2008, 09:46 PM (3,228 Views)
Mr Master52
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Feb 23 2008, 12:08 PM
Mr Master52
Feb 23 2008, 09:16 AM
My real intention where this:

Me: Imagine a sofa. Ok..where is it?
Atheist: In my head.
Me: Do you have a proof?
Atheist: Yes, the science-...
Me: Give it to me. Now.
Atheist: I can't, talk to a-...
Me: YOU talk to a father in a church
Atheist: That's not the same thing, it's-...
Me: YOU don't have ANY CONCRETE proof that I can hold or see! your dear scientist friend can say whatever he wants because what people say is not a proof , since you just said it.

Pwnt.

Dude give me the proof thats isnt in my head. IT IS!

In fact, I don't have to prove "for" something, I have to prove "against" it. Consider: christians know more about religion than atheists ftw? read black's posts ;)
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Mr Master52
Feb 23 2008, 10:58 PM
read black's posts ;)

W00t, my posts are getting refered too ^_^. :P
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All Religions are bad, they only make war....

Without all the Religions there would be alot more peace in the world, so TAKE THAT! B)
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Kwark
Feb 26 2008, 03:00 PM
All Religions are bad, they only make war....

Without all the Religions there would be alot more peace in the world, so TAKE THAT! B)

so your saying that all religions are bad huh? Well, they are not the religions, but yes the people. Consider: I am a christian and i am not a stupid retard like Bush and kill innocent people for nothing. They main reason for these wars are:

A random guy ages ago dreamed of seeing an angel talking stupid stuff to him.
Religion is not about killing infidiels. Religion is about convincing desperate people of joining it so life has a purpose.
Atheists, what is the purpose of life for you? Living it good? Nahh... I don't think so :D
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The first 2 world wars were caused because of religion, how long till it causes the 3 world war?
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Feb 26 2008, 06:48 PM
The first 2 world wars were caused because of religion, how long till it causes the 3 world war?

Know your history.

The first world war was started because of Franz Ferdinand of Austria, and the fact that Germany felt threatened because England joined up with France and Russia to become the triple-entente.

The second World War (a lot more difficult, because it had so many causes) was mainly caused by irritation about losing the first world war, and the fact that fascism was becoming rather popular. The reason Hitler hated the Jewish people so much was because (couldn't really find any good sources about it, but a friend of mine is a maniac at history) he wanted to become a painter, but the art-school rejected him. The judges were mostly Jews. Also, it's a myth (and also partially true), that Jews are good with money, and that they own lots of important companies and banks. So Hitler got his hatred against Jews also because of jealousy.

Well, that's my 2 pence. I dont know a lot about history, but I've looked some things up on the web.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II
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Black is true.
There is no possible offence against christians. What can you say? Nothing. George Bush is christian? Does he go to church? no.
All the bad people: Bush, Hitler, Mussolini, Franko, were not real christians, and it is a speculation that all atheists say: Oh, he and he are bad and they were christians, as they said, so all christians are bad and they cause wars.
Go on, post ANY offence and I will respond to it so you can know the truth!
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Mr Master52
Feb 27 2008, 09:11 PM
Black is true.
There is no possible offence against christians. What can you say? Nothing. George Bush is christian? Does he go to church? no.
All the bad people: Bush, Hitler, Mussolini, Franko, were not real christians, and it is a speculation that all atheists say: Oh, he and he are bad and they were christians, as they said, so all christians are bad and they cause wars.
Go on, post ANY offence and I will respond to it so you can know the truth!

Wait.... Was that what I said? :S lol :P

Btw, pwnage avvy you got there Masters :P.
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you do know that germans blamed the jews for the plague(or some disease), so germans didnt like jews much anyway

bit off topic

2 question's brought up by other people that puzzle me

Jesus was a jew yet he told christian teachings, why?

God gave us free will yet roman catholics arent allowed to have an abortion, euthanasia, divorce, remarry, women and men are like before equal rights for women, what is free will for then
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you do know that germans blamed the jews for the plague(or some disease), so germans didnt like jews much anyway

bit off topic

2 question's brought up by other people that puzzle me

Jesus was a jew yet he told christian teachings, why?

God gave us free will yet roman catholics arent allowed to have an abortion, euthanasia, divorce, remarry, women and men are like before equal rights for women, what is free will for then
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abortion is the most horrible thing you can do in life. Even if you live with difficulties, you don't have the right to call your baby a "mistake" and kill it.

Plus, that roman stuff is part of the tradition. Divorce really affects the children. They chosen to be fathers, they can return to normal people.

OK, to your next issue:

Jews = Christians BUT!!! they live in the old testament+ they don't believe that jesus christ is the messias, they are still waiting for one. Jesus was sent to fulfill a profecy and to clean the world of sins. Would you make miracles and sacrifice yourself for the humanity? To save all your friends, family and stuff? If yes, you can't say "wow nerd he sacrificed himself for nothing", cause he did it. I would too.

Ty Black ^^
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Jesus taught basically the Christian religion, or you could say the Jewish. But it was the CHRISTian religion after its founder, CHRIST, aka Jesus Christ. And Christians believe Jesus was the prophesized Messiah, Jews do not, they are still waiting as Master said. There are also some other differences I.E. Honnuhkah or whatever, not sure what those are though.

+5000 to post on abortion. It is disgusting and evil. Would you like someone to declare you unimportant enough to live and then take your life for no reason? And then give your dead body to scientists for experimentation and embryo growth and all kinds of horrid things that make money for scientists? Don't think so.

We do have free will. We also have rules and we have the free will to choose whether or not to follow those rules. You CAN abort your baby, it is physically possible. You had free will to do that, even a Jew or Christian can do that. You would be choosing to act outside of your religion in that case however, which of course is a sin.
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Tbh this debate is going no where.

Athiests will be Atheists and Christians will be Christians

I am Christian, idc what you think bout me

End of discussion
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Saj_61
Feb 27 2008, 05:48 PM
Jesus was a jew yet he told christian teachings, why?

God gave us free will yet roman catholics arent allowed to have an abortion, euthanasia, divorce, remarry, women and men are like before equal rights for women, what is free will for then

Jesus never really had a concrete plan for a religion. He was sent to teach others, and save us from our sins. Peter, the first head of the church, started the religion.

That's their choice. They believe it's wrong. God gave us the choice to follow the rules, or not to.

Does that answer your questions?
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Feb 6 2008, 04:46 PM
Atheism-is it right? Is it wrong?

There are many diffrent religions. Atheists choose none of them. They belive in no god or all powerful being. Is this wrong?

If an atheist is good and follows 7/10 commandments will he go to heaven?

I believe it's possible, but many people don't.

In order to go to heaven, you need to accept Jesus' existence (including he was the savior) as well as God's and that there is only one God (not 0 or 5). So, I do not believe it is possible.
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I know this really isn't my place to say but, this is pretty pointless.your better off debating about whether apples or oranges are better.
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Mar 1 2008, 07:48 PM
I know this really isn't my place to say but, this is pretty pointless.your better off debating about whether apples or oranges are better.

It's a debate, there will be no winner. It's just an argument.
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This is my idea--

I'm atheist. I don't believe in any higher power. Yet, I still try to be a good person.

It's a crap shoot, even if there is a higher power, how do you pick the right one out of 3,000+?

This way, I'm a good person, but I don't just act recklessly thinking there is nothing post-death.
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I'm a Satanist, so I would probably share the same views as an Atheist in this matter. I think the human race should take responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming a higher force such as god. One of the most important rules of Satanism is to believe in proofs, and there are no proofs of a God exisiting.

On the other hand, I think that God is a good thing for those who believe in it. It gives them inspiration and motivation. I guess this is a relief for those who are not strong enough to live life without a higher force to draw support from.

I do not agree with those who say there is a god, but I believe they should have the right to believe it, and keep believing :). All humans have the right to be themselves and stand up for what they mean. Yet another important thing in Satanism ;).
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Mar 8 2008, 12:13 PM
I'm a Satanist, so I would probably share the same views as an Atheist in this matter. I think the human race should take responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming a higher force such as god. One of the most important rules of Satanism is to believe in proofs, and there are no proofs of a God exisiting.

On the other hand, I think that God is a good thing for those who believe in it. It gives them inspiration and motivation. I guess this is a relief for those who are not strong enough to live life without a higher force to draw support from.

I do not agree with those who say there is a god, but I believe they should have the right to believe it, and keep believing :). All humans have the right to be themselves and stand up for what they mean. Yet another important thing in Satanism ;).

OMFG. I am the same way about the proof part. "It's a miracle" doesn't prove their is a god, genes prove we (us + monkeys) from one central animal. Makes sense pl0x.
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