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September 9th Announcements; Rangers.
Topic Started: Sep 9 2010, 10:28 AM (331 Views)
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Firstly, I apologize for the slowness on site. Things will pick up shortly. We are working hard to finish everything here on site before our big advertisment/affiliation spree we plan on.

Anyways...

It's been awhile since I've sought member input on ideas... but I'm curious to see what you guys think. Recently, Teams have come up more and more often in conversastions with Sumy and Shiay (whom both control a Team Boss at the moment).

The problem I have is a balance issue. Teams are allowed to do pretty much whatever they want so long as they obey the rule that says they can't attack un-defined areas (places without claimed canons).

The only people around to counter teams right now are normal Trainers and Gym Leaders, pretty much. And, unfortunately for the more powerful latter, Gym Leaders are pretty much chained to their Gyms.

So the solution we were thing of coming up with was to create a Ranger Organization in a number of the main regions (Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Orre and possible Orange.)

But we need rules for these characters (possibly something merging main game appearances and Ranger game techniques with the Stylers, maybe?). It's ideas for these that I want. Anything you swing my way will be considered thoughtfully.

Basically, short story is? We're trying to make a good guy side to balance ou the bad guy side, which would make normal trainer's the "neutral" factor.

Rangers = Good
Trainers, Coordinators, Etc = Neutral (or their own choice of good or bad or any other shade of gray.)
Teams = Bad

[As another note, when we've got it all sorted out, we'll be holding a contest for five/six Top Ranger characters to run each base, instead of people having to work their way up to it. The best five/six will be accepted, rather like how it was when we had the Orre League contest.]

Ideas and comments, go.
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Well first I want to say that I think this is a great idea. It makes sence that there should be a ranger stance in the Pokémon world.

First off, the stylers. (If i remember correctly) they never used them to capture trainers Pokémon. This would give the possibility of stealing trainers Pokémon and defeating the perpose. I think that maybe the stylers can stun Pokémon but not control them.

Restrictions. I think that there should be major resrictions on who becomes a ranger. I think they should all have to be new chars cause otherwise there story will be.... weird.

(I walk was one day and some dude was like, "oh hai! wanna be a lead ranger" so i was all like "Okay!" :D)

It would also create problems for people who have a team char already. What if that team attacks that town that that player is the leader in?

Overall it sounds like a great idea, and I know that I will deffenently run for a possition.

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well, I think we should just leave the Stylers out completely. I always thought that idea was rather ridiculous. Besides, it was tailored for use with the Ranger games on the DS in order to make use of the touch screen. I know it was brought over into the movies, but that's just my point. -.- who wants to watch a guy waving a little walkie talkie thing with a super long antenna just to BEFRIEND Pokémon. No, my opinion is the Rangers are just like regular trainers, except with a job of protecting the Pokémon world. That way....they don't have to wave their little wands all over the place.

Also, we might consider setting the Rangers up like the Teams are on here: with ranks, etc, and different privileges that go along with each. We'd also need to find headquarters for each division in each region. For example, possible locations of the Ranger HQ for Kanto would be Mt. Moon(either just outside of it on the Pewter or Cerulean sides), Viridian Forest, the Power Plant(the plant itself could have been adapted to the Rangers' purposes), or Pokémon Mansion on Cinnabar Island. Of course, those are just ideas.
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First off, the stylers. (If i remember correctly) they never used them to capture trainers Pokémon. This would give the possibility of stealing trainers Pokémon and defeating the perpose. I think that maybe the stylers can stun Pokémon but not control them.


This is true, they can't control Trainer's Pokémon at all.

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Restrictions. I think that there should be major resrictions on who becomes a ranger. I think they should all have to be new chars cause otherwise there story will be.... weird.


Well, a vast majority of them will be new. But I've nothing against people claiming a Ranger from one of the Wild Regions and using one of them, even if they wanted to use them in a different Region all together. (I, personally, am a big fan of Sven from the second game. And, if N doesn't turn out how I would like him to be, I might claim that rugged cowboy for myself.)

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well, I think we should just leave the Stylers out completely. I always thought that idea was rather ridiculous. Besides, it was tailored for use with the Ranger games on the DS in order to make use of the touch screen. I know it was brought over into the movies, but that's just my point. -.- who wants to watch a guy waving a little walkie talkie thing with a super long antenna just to BEFRIEND Pokémon. No, my opinion is the Rangers are just like regular trainers, except with a job of protecting the Pokémon world. That way....they don't have to wave their little wands all over the place.


The stylers present a more fundamental problem to our site, and that's the convention and use of Frangers, who play the wilds a Ranger would likely have to control. So, therefore, unless we gave Rangers the ability to control wilds in threads (which opens a number of doors for god modding) it makes stylers a difficult issue to sort out...

Namely because I don't want to F with the canon format for those canon rangers out there. Most (all?) canon rangers only have a single Pokémon, and they use their styler for everything else. This poses a problem between Ranger-Rangers (like the ones from the Ranger games) or "Trainer"-Rangers, (like the ones seen in the main games and like my character Darien).

So, we do have to figure out something for Stylers or something to replace them (preferably without having to require a Franger in each styler situation, should that be the conclusion.)

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Also, we might consider setting the Rangers up like the Teams are on here: with ranks, etc, and different privileges that go along with each.


Ranks were already something I wanted to do, namely because the ranger games have ranks for each ranger. (With 10 being the hardest and rarest to get. There are only like 11 Top/Rank 10 Rangers in the entire world.)

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We'd also need to find headquarters for each division in each region. For example, possible locations of the Ranger HQ for Kanto would be Mt. Moon(either just outside of it on the Pewter or Cerulean sides), Viridian Forest, the Power Plant(the plant itself could have been adapted to the Rangers' purposes), or Pokémon Mansion on Cinnabar Island. Of course, those are just ideas.


And yes, we need to find places for the Ranger Bases. I was actually already thinking Cerulean or Vermilion City for Kanto. (Because it puts it catty-cornered from Celadon, though really a place like Fuchsia or Viridian would be more fitting given the nature-y appeal.

On that note, I was going to say Violet for Johto. A) Because Azalea is too small and isolated, and Violet is nice and centralized... and B) Because, on a selfish note, it's where I had Darien be trained in his history.

For Hoenn, it becomes hard to place them because of how oddly routed that Region is. Mauville is the most centralized area. Lilycove and Lavaridge are out of the question because they contain bases for the Teams.

Sinnoh could maybe be Eterna, maybe be Hearthome...

Orre, I want to say Agate. OTL Realgam and Pyrite have no natural appear, and Phenac is rather isolated from the rest. Agate is a forest, so it makes sense.

I have no clue for Orange, and I'm not sure about that place yet. It has no team (and isn't as important as Johto is) and is currently a dead region.
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So, we do have to figure out something for Stylers or something to replace them (preferably without having to require a Franger in each styler situation, should that be the conclusion.)

In all honesty, I do believe I have an idea for this one. I think that if a Ranger in an area, if they want to be using their Styler on a Pokémon, then they have to message one of the primary staff members (i.e. the Admin, Rangers or Free-Rangers) stating that they want to be. What we'll do is then look at the guide for the place that they're in and do a random number generator to generate what Pokémon that they'll be using their Styler to befriend momentarily. We don't have to RNG a whole slew of Pokémon, just the number of Pokémon that are listed there.

Alternatively, we could go with the idea of having partner Pokémon since Rangers have those anyways. Seeing as that you can obviously receive more than just one part Pokémon (as proven via Ranger games for the DS), we can raise the limit of one partner Pokémon to two to four Pokémon being with a Ranger at a time. However, this will be dependent on the Ranger's rank. We'll probably say that ranks one through three get one partner Pokémon to accompany them; four to six get two... something like that.

I, however, have to look back at what Sumdood said about getting rid of Stylers completely and say that I'm an extremely opposed to the idea. Sure, the Stylers proved to be a fun feature of the game and was carried to the anime -- though it's also been carried to the manga that focuses more on the Rangers' side of the story since they do have their own thing going on. I do not see them as being useless. So long as there are limitations to them and prevent them from seeming godmoddish, I believe we can have them ready and set to go.

Plus... if we got rid of Stylers completely, there'd be quite a few members of the fandom that wouldn't be too happy with that, including myself. When people create a Ranger character, they generally give them a Styler (unless they are the Trainer class Ranger) off the bat. This means that we'd be forcing people that already have Ranger characters to be rewrite their history that they've already worked on and omit their Stylers from it. It's too much of a hassle.
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All righty. that's fine. .-. *shrug* I just always thought the stylers were a ridiculous concept. My thought on using the Stylers is, we do it just like we do trainers: a Franger RPs the wild until the Ranger befriends it, and then the Ranger gets to use that Pokémon for....so many threads/posts. I'm more for the threads, thing, because it gives more versatility to the idea. I was thinking maye three threads?

BUT ANYWAY, I was thinking, for Orre, they could inhabit the old Cipher Key Lair. .-. it's more central to the region than Agate is, not to mention abandoned as hell.
As for Sinnoh, Eterna would work, because Team Galactic did abandon their building there. The Rangers could have adapted it for their own purposes. I was thinking that, or the Old Chateau in the forest.
Kanto, My favorite is them having set up a base just outside the Cerulean side of Mt Moon. It's centralized, and naturey. :D
Johto....I disagree about the Violet. .-. I think Lake of Rage just kind of SCREAMS Ranger. .-. the only real problem with it is it is a little decentralized and slightly isolated.
NOW, for Hoenn....I would suggest that they make their base in New Mauville. .-. it's centralized(Very close to Mauville) and not isolated at all. It's just a short swim to the route and then, bam, you're on you're way to where you need to go. lol.
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In all honesty, I do believe I have an idea for this one. I think that if a Ranger in an area, if they want to be using their Styler on a Pokémon, then they have to message one of the primary staff members (i.e. the Admin, Rangers or Free-Rangers) stating that they want to be. What we'll do is then look at the guide for the place that they're in and do a random number generator to generate what Pokémon that they'll be using their Styler to befriend momentarily. We don't have to RNG a whole slew of Pokémon, just the number of Pokémon that are listed there.


Elaborate on this? I'm rather liking it. I would prefer to remove Frangers playing the Pokémon themselves from the equation entirely (because it puts more stress on Frangers), and this seems to go that route.

Basically, are you saying they fill out a form, listing what they (a small number of?) want the Pokémon to be and we RNG from their picks what they get? Or are you saying we RNG solely from the area they're in?

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Seeing as that you can obviously receive more than just one part Pokémon (as proven via Ranger games for the DS), we can raise the limit of one partner Pokémon to two to four Pokémon being with a Ranger at a time. However, this will be dependent on the Ranger's rank. We'll probably say that ranks one through three get one partner Pokémon to accompany them; four to six get two... something like that.


I like this concept, too, as it gives people the chance to use the Stylers or have a "team" for their Ranger. And since we were going to have ranks anyways (and I was having a bit of a difficulty translating the in-game bonuses to PF), this works rather nicely.

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and then the Ranger gets to use that Pokémon for....so many threads/posts. I'm more for the threads, thing, because it gives more versatility to the idea. I was thinking maye three threads?


I like this too, because it also makes things easier for both the staff and the Ranger. I like three threads, though maybe five would be better, and even (since that's how long it takes to purify a Shadow Pokémon here on PF).

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Speaking of Purification, we need to update the rules so that Rangers (since they're going to be the general opposition of Teams) can snag Shadows some how.

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All righty. that's fine. .-. *shrug* I just always thought the stylers were a ridiculous concept.


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I, however, have to look back at what Sumdood said about getting rid of Stylers completely and say that I'm an extremely opposed to the idea. Sure, the Stylers proved to be a fun feature of the game and was carried to the anime -- though it's also been carried to the manga that focuses more on the Rangers' side of the story since they do have their own thing going on. I do not see them as being useless.


In all rational, we're all three forgetting to take Stylers in context of the character type we're talking about.

Rangers are friends of nature, and, unless they are the Trainer-class type Ranger, then they are proven to dislike capturing Pokémon (and as the player of the only Trainer-class Ranger on this board, and the only Ranger at that, even my Ranger is sparing about what he catches). Regardless of what fandom they've been carried into or why they were created to be used IRL in the game (to make use of the touch screen), the character type has been adapted to fit those aspects.

They don't like capturing Pokémon because they feel they should remain in nature.

That being the case, I don't feel we should omit Stylers because it's important to the character type themselves. Just as, in the same fashion, we did not omit Shadow Pokémon from Orre when we opened it. Though I believe that was something we weren't going to include in the first place.

The other hassle this presents is that Stylers are used by all the canon Rangers in the fandom to date. To remove that fucks up those canon's histories and their way of play.

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BUT ANYWAY, I was thinking, for Orre, they could inhabit the old Cipher Key Lair. .-. it's more central to the region than Agate is, not to mention abandoned as hell.
As for Sinnoh, Eterna would work, because Team Galactic did abandon their building there. The Rangers could have adapted it for their own purposes. I was thinking that, or the Old Chateau in the forest.
Kanto, My favorite is them having set up a base just outside the Cerulean side of Mt Moon. It's centralized, and naturey. 
Johto....I disagree about the Violet. .-. I think Lake of Rage just kind of SCREAMS Ranger. .-. the only real problem with it is it is a little decentralized and slightly isolated.
NOW, for Hoenn....I would suggest that they make their base in New Mauville. .-. it's centralized(Very close to Mauville) and not isolated at all. It's just a short swim to the route and then, bam, you're on you're way to where you need to go. lol.


I like Eterna and Cerulean as mentioned before, but I don't like the idea of putting nature loving, tree hugging, Ranger boys in such mechanical places like New Mauville or the old Key Lair. (And I also should have clarified OTL we'll be making them new areas, not putting them in old ones. I'd rather prefer not to change what's already in canon, like the Old Chateau of the form Eterna Building (which in the anime got turned into the Eterna Museum and which we use here.))

I would prefer these bases in cities because in the fist game they were in cities/towns and because, with the exception of the unlucky Team Magma, all of them are already close to a powerful city location. [I.E Team Rocket has Celadon, which is a hophophop from Saffron City and the Magnet Train; Team Aqua has Lilycove, a port; Team Galagtic is also centralized in its own right; and Cipher is a jump away from port as well.]

In that respect, I like the idea of a Cerulean Base for the Kanto Rangers. (My original idea was Vermilion, but when realizing Fuchsia was the most naturey place of the Region I gave up brainstorming for Kanto.)

Mahogany Town would be okay in Johto, I suppose... but it isn't nearly as central as a place like Violet or even Ecruteak would be. I'm opposed to Goldenrod, for obvious reasons... and I feel like putting them in Ecruteak would just crowd that city with too many attractions already. In contrast, Violet has nothing going for it other than Sprout Tower and its gym, and Sprout Tower is lame anyways unless you want to catch an early Pokémon. (In that same note, Mahogany also has little to its name, but as I said, my argument for it is its location.)

Hoenn I like the idea of Mauville, but not New Mauville. The only issue I have with Mauville is that it seems more like a mechanical city.
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Speaking of Purification, we need to update the rules so that Rangers (since they're going to be the general opposition of Teams) can snag Shadows some how.


Maybe they could just use the stylers? I mean maybe they work on all Pokémon and thats why rangers only have them. Because they are a kind of athority.

It would probably cause the problem of stealing them, (i know i would want one of those things ;D) and having evil trainers using them.
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another possible idea for the Hoenn Rangers' base would be somewhere near the Weather Observatory, just outside of Fortree? That seems like a very naturey place, and if my memory serves correct, its where you first start running into the trainer rangers in the games.
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Maybe they could just use the stylers? I mean maybe they work on all Pokémon and thats why rangers only have them. Because they are a kind of athority.

It would probably cause the problem of stealing them, (i know i would want one of those things ;D) and having evil trainers using them.


I was thinking that. It can work just like snagging, only with the styler. Problem solved.

I'm also not sure, but I think Stylers only work for their owners? I know they're indestructible like Dexes are... dunno. We'll have to wait for Shiay. She's played more Ranger games than I have.

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another possible idea for the Hoenn Rangers' base would be somewhere near the Weather Observatory, just outside of Fortree? That seems like a very naturey place, and if my memory serves correct, its where you first start running into the trainer rangers in the games.


Fortress was my original choice... gah. Hoenn is such a strange region route wise. I suppose Fortree is best, though, since it's naturey and nice and in the middle.
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