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2010/Feb/07 - JaGeX encourages Autoing; King_Cut and WorldNine team up
Topic Started: Feb 7 2010, 04:58 AM (2,694 Views)
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This has been posted all over Runescape under the title "Merchant Bot Spam Offense" as shown below.

We need everyone's support. Sign the petition to have autoers banned once and for all. They might still sneak back in through free-use worlds. But they have NO right to litter the streets of our pay-use worlds, especially not on world 9.

Do what you know is right:
http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/c=nWaY79j1BE0/forums.ws?129,130,391,60342388

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For many years I've proclaimed that something must be done by JaGeX in order to preserve the justice system in Runescape. Far too many rules are being overlooked, while other rules are overly enforced.

While NO rule states giving away free membership cards to Runescape players is against the rules of Runescape, there's other matters which are CLEARLY stated, word for word, on the rules page regarding "spam", "auto", "macro", "encouraging others". And JaGeX sits idle and thus encourages it themselves.

All this time there has been a battle waging over if bots, macros, autoers that AFK spam advertise every world at Grand Exchange deserve to be muted/banned. I strongly believes autoing is autoing, it's CLEARLY stated on the rules page. If JaGeX permit autoing to also spam, and to encourage others that action is alright to perform, why should they ban users whom advertise without automation? Why is it illegal for players to AFK every skill to 99, if they don't have an issue with botters that only use the "auto sell" feature of Ghost Mouse and Auto Typer?

We often think we are the only ones being wrongfully accused of offenses that don't exist. The problem is much larger, and I thank certain moderators for giving us insight into that problem. It's not just members of W9HQ anymore, but the very player moderators standing up for something that is right, something fair -- and resulting in untimely mute or ban as a result.

Nobody can stand alone, and hope to survive this slaughter. Nor should they. We are all here to band together and form the strength necessary to withstand all odds. The ability to voice a unanimous decision to clear this game of botters once and for all.

Moderators whom offer legit and legal merchanting clan chats shouldn't be bullied by bots from clans that scam players and entise them with 24-hour advertisement through the use of botting with empty promises of instant riches.


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Perfect. Cash Cream. WeFightGe. King Cut. Smokin Mils. InstantCash.

These are the merchant clans of this game. They all claim to promote easy money techniques without need for skill levels. YET only one of them has the ability to do so as a player moderator.

Jealousy from those whom break rules and never truly helped a fellow player to earn a player mod crown of his/her own, they lash out and use harassment via PM to every active member of the moderator's merchant clan. They follow the moderator around GE using spam to promote their own channel while disrespecting the hard-work of the moderator whom earned his title through daily activeness in game and aiding users here on the forum.

And yet JaGeX permit users to bot to advertise merch clans and earn rank in those clans, so long as they don't openly admit to this rule offense...


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As we know, times come in which things change and even the most stubborn of people learn humility. While I've learned my place May 6th 2009 at the hand of Zezima. It took a slightly larger group of individuals to bring King Cut to the light.

For many years I've proclaimed that something must be done by JaGeX in order to preserve the justice system in Runescape. Far too many rules are being overlooked, while other rules are overly enforced.

I believe there is still NO rule which states that my giving away free membership cards to Runescape players puts any of them in harms way. There is nothing on the rules page that claims it is an unfair advantage to pay JaGeX and then hand over that payment to benefit a friend or a friend of immediate family member. Yet King Cut does.

Just as all this time there has been a battle waging over if bots, macros, autoers that AFK spam advertise every world at Grand Exchange deserve to be muted/banned. King Cut strongly believes autoing is autoing, it's CLEARLY stated on the rules page. And if JaGeX permit autoing to also spam, and to encourage others that action is alright to perform, why should they ban users whom advertise without automation? Why is it illegal for players to AFK every skill to 99, if they don't have an issue with botters that only use the "auto sell" feature of Ghost Mouse and Auto Typer?

We often think we are the only ones being wrongfully accused of offenses that don't exist. The problem is much larger, and I thank King Cut for FINALLY giving us insight into that problem. It's not just members of NG anymore, but the very player moderators standing up for something that is right, something just -- and resulting in untimely mute or ban as a result.

Nobody can stand alone, and hope to survive this slaughter. Nor should they. We are all here to band together and form the strength necessary to withstand all odds. The ability to voice a unanimous decision to clear this game of botters once and for all.

In RS News 2006, after the ruin of the market values on most items of the working class Runescape citizens, JaGeX took back our game with swift action at the hand of former leader Andrew Christopher Gower. The result was astounding... prices returned to a maintained average, with a few flux here and there. At large, botting as kicked back down to a bare minimal. Here or there on a F2P world, if that. Yet the end of 2007 further strengthened this fight against botting as an illegal act in Runescape with the update to limit player trades and drops. A necessary evil to combat common issue in every multiplayer online game... real-world trades.

This is a growing problem. And if we don't take a stand and a side against it, sooner or later this game will fall to a lack of its own rules system not being properly enforced. All or nothing. Mute or allow offenses? These are issues JaGeX needs to sort out. And without OUR feedback and OUR voice in the matter as paying customers (and the determining factor in the success of this game in yearly sales), we have a right to have our opinion heard by those whom operate this game for OUR benefactor and enjoyment. If we're not content on the way things are for RuneScape, neither should they.
Edited by Kire667, Feb 7 2010, 05:43 AM.
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rofl erik u say jagex needs to get their rules stright ur rules have more loop hole then jagex lol but i agree with this above post and encourage everyone it support anti bot and merching cc crap
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You do realize that if this passes and the merch clans break apart I will be broke -.-.

Oh well If they do I'll just go back to doing things the old fashion way.
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Very well said, and i believe that autoing is autoing aswell. I don't see how they can seperate some from others and call it "okay". Obviously anyone who auto's deserves themselves a nice lil ban/mute. As far as botters are concerned, they don't deserve to have the pleasure to have something that they were to lazy to get without cheating (BAN). Auto typers, i can't express enough how annoying it is to go to the G.E. and get a load full of autoed typed junk spamming up my screen (MUTE). Merching, well this is something that affects every player. The rise and fall in prices are so unpredictable and no loger controled by jagex. So yeah you have my support on these all to familiar problems.
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Merching solo is easy anyway, Im not big on merching clans. I liked old school rs when everyone was earning money the hard way. Now there is level 80s with 50 mill which was once unheard of.
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Too true, time to fix those damn bot merch clans. I have no issue with independant merching or even elite/small group merching, but these spam merchers are just a pain.
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You think you need others in order to merch.

Users have solo merched for years prior to the invention of GE. They used certed items rather than noted items. They used old fashioned work to figure out the price of items. They didn't need JaGeX to tell them what the price of items should be, or what going rate they should be selling at.

We got out there, off our asses, and actually merchanted items high enough to make a living and low enough that we actually had buyers.

Worlds 1 and 2 were the spots to do this. Now new kids are accustomed to the ways of 2007, where you can teleport right to the back door of GE and make a few clicks and get instant trades from people that never even met. It's not only inhuman and anti-social, but it's plain laziness.

Merch bots that own clan channels only fuel the fire that is the new fat ass RS society. Doesn't help the fact JaGeX is permitting these users to post billboards at the GE on every server, so long as they pay for the advertising space on a members world to spam the rest of us whom were paying to avoid spam in the first place.

It all boils down to money, simple as that. And the mere fact that a corrupt moderator is using ties to a JaGeX moderator in order to get other moderators demoted, muted, or worse. It goes to show you that while a few of the ego-driven moderators whom in the past used the power of influential persuasion to rally users to a cause must endure at his own demise. The creation rises to power and overthrows the maker.

All these years he used his "ties" to being a moderator of the game to get #47 most discussed video on YouTube when he made a video which hinted to slander that gift cards given by us to RuneScape is the reason players get hacked. Now it is player moderators whom are working on behalf of merchant botting clans to see to it King Cut and all moderators whom are involved in his clan are demoted or banned.

Quite amusing to say the least. I now am a believer in karma. Yet I feel empathy because I was in his position for so many years, muted and banned without rule offense. And while "YouTube" was not filtered at the time, and "Google" is not a URL, I've had my fair share of punishment. And this coincides with the goal of NGG to see that player rights are protected at all costs. Having a few moderators whom agree with our stand point only aids our operation at this game.

We've brought drop parties to F2P. We've got "google", "ng" and "youtube" unfiltered. We've given hope to so many people false banned or muted on previous accounts without real rules enforced. This is just the next step in taking it to the source. JaGeX has attempted to ignore and cover us up for years. Denying that we've played a major role in this game and forming what it is today. But they can't deny the simple fact which remains - they unfiltered "cath9" and "ngor". They've stopped muting us every time we recruit new users to our website.

So it is time they stand by the common rule that has NEVER changed or been altered in wording or meaning. Macroing is bad for this game, for the economy, and bad for us legit players whom work our ass off, day after day attempting to make a living in fictional net worth. About time we take back what's ours, and do so with a backing from JaGeX like the game had in early 2006.

For those not a fan of literary pieces, this entire post is summed up to this simple statement.

"Banning a bot helps a lot.
See it through, whatever you do."
Edited by Kire667, Feb 8 2010, 04:30 AM.
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Dammit Erik, type the post summery at the top of your post not the bottom so i don't read the whole way through!! :P

The bot spamming around GE is horrible. should be banned
Edited by Bobbydown, Feb 8 2010, 04:48 AM.
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Well, we've got video proof that bots don't get muted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXRNT9eNZoU

(The advertisement bit at the starting of the monthly CC advertisement video was meant as a joke using the name NGoR16 renamed to Kire Cut667 to spark hate from King Cut for riding our case and our RScc during 2009. While I have YET to make a video interview or reference to the greatness of his RScc, I've made a fair bit of mentions in other ways.

The video itself though is an example of what I'm talking about. Every time I told a moderator to come mute another merch bot spamming world 9's GE, all I ever heard is how legal it is if they don't admit to autoing. Ever heard a bot say they were botting? Took this hate to extremes and made a full video on how it actually works.. but should it?)

They actually mute moderators that advertise once now and then, doing it fully manually, and consider it spam ONLY because moderators have the advantage to override all chatlog regardless if chat is turned to friends or off.

Proof that moderators can talk if ignore listed shown in my Zezima video. It is also how I hunt for moderator names by turning my chat tab to friends, and moderator chatlog appears easier to locate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSr7A4otkSk

It is sad we own the top video on YouTube for "How to make a successful clan".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXRNT9eNZoU

What's even worse, the fact JaGeX strives to see videos of worth banned, rather than spending that time devoted to the demise of malicious bots.

Yet Mod Mark H delivered the killing blow when he posted to King Cut to announce that asking others to advertise a merch clan is against the rules.
http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/c=uizDJTJ5NJI/forums.ws?93,94,771,60258276,goto,5

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Please note that you are not allowed to ask that players advertise your merchanting clan in-game.

For more information about what is allowed with regard to merchanting clans on the forums, please check out the following thread:

Quick find code: 74-75-817-59124146

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I found it quite amusing, given the circumstances that it was King Cut whom directed JaGeX my way to have yet another imaginary rule enforced, thus closing the first "w9hq" thread. When Mod Seven posted to inform us gift cards may not be used as gifts to promote a clan. There's nothing she can do on us if we promote it outside of Runescape. And it is YET to be listed in the game rules. Just another reminder like that warning about not keeping images of inboxes from JaGeX or anything that takes place in the game forum.

Just as we had to start over after a JaGeX moderator ruined our "w9hq" by closing the thread rather than posting a warning and hiding the posted response about their imaginary rule, King Cut started another merch thread shown below.
http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/c=uizDJTJ5NJI/forums.ws?93,94,436,60286256

So if you care to give the item mentioned a bit of research, we can track the success of this clan. There's rumors that bot merch clans dump items early and notify late, thus leading to mass scams and the main reasons you NEVER see the same names on much. Yet at King Cut there are devout members whom sit there daily even without rank, listening to the latest chatter on the status of the items being merched.
Edited by Kire667, Feb 8 2010, 05:57 AM.
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No progress on this matter. There's far too many rants posted daily, and the topic expired prior to JaGeX review.

Perhaps sometime later when I'm not sick with the flu, and actually can focus on this matter, I'll re-post it under "suggestions".
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