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Serious Topic: Animal Cruelty
Topic Started: Nov 19 2009, 08:01 PM (286 Views)
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I'm so sick and tired of having to discuss anything and everything RuneScape on here despite this place being a RuneScape site. This site used to have conversations OUTSIDE of RuneScape, and I want that to happen again; so I'm starting these "Serious Topics" every week. Hopefully people participate.

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Animal Cruelty

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Cruelty to animals sometimes refers to the infliction of suffering or harm to animals, other than humans, for purposes other than self-defense. Others broaden its use to include harm for specific gain such as killing animals for food or fur use. Opposing viewpoints are held by jurisdictions throughout the world.


Let's talk animal cruelty. Is hunting animals wrong? Or is abusing common house pets the wrong issue? And what do you feel should be done to those who commit animal abuse? Should they simply be fined, or should they face years in prison? (Laws differ from location, so act as though there are no current laws right now or something)

I'll have a better response tomorrow when I can actually get something up about it.
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I think animals should only be hunted if basically all of the animal is going to be used. Don't go out and shoot something just to have it's head on your wall. If your going to kill it, you better **** eat the thing, use it's hide, and then mount the head. If you want to be really environmentally friendly (and use everything, Native American style), try using the internal organs for food or as bags (stomachs can make great satchels if properly cured), and bones and antlers can make some rather nice knives and arrow heads.

Besides that, there is really no need to kill anything. No, hunting is not a sport. Hunting is a way to sustain life without depending on any other sources besides nature and yourself. There is no need to kill "for sport". It is a waste of resources.

Abusing household pets is messed up. People who do serious animal abuse should be imprisoned, after all, pain is pain. I'm pretty sure people wouldn't appreciate being tortured/abused, and the accused would get years for that. While I'm not saying it should be as severe as for harming a human, it should be close, after all, we all are just animals.
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Is hunting animals wrong?

Depends really. The usual stuff like ducks and deer are alright. Honestly that's a tough question.

Is abusing common house pets wrong?

Yes, no person should abuse a pet. It's a living, breathing creature like us and only wishes to be looked after.

What should happen to people who commit this abuse?

Slap on the wrist
A fine
Year(s) in jail
Ban from having pets

Any of those.
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I don't think to highly of hunting animals for no reason, I don't even go fishing cause i don't like to inflict pain on creatures, The laws are to soft on animal cruelty in my opinion if you kick the **** out of a dog, cat or any animal a $100 fine is hardly justice.
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Hmm, nice idea myke.

On topic:

I don't believe that hunting in terms of sport is correct, and IMO should be banned.

Hunting as a way to survive is not so bad, but as Blind Guy said, the whole animal should be used, and as little of the animal wasted as possible.

When it comes to pests such as rabbits...I'm of mixed feelings regarding this. They shouldn't be treated differently to other animals, but considering their "destructive nature" in terms of farm land... This is where hunting and animal cruelty is blurred. Many would argue that they kill pests such as rabbits in order to survive. The line is very blurred when it comes to this form of "hunting".

As for household pets being abused, that is totally wrong. Those who do harm to animals should be brought to justice and served a jail term and pay a large fine.
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When it comes to pests such as rabbits...I'm of mixed feelings regarding this. They shouldn't be treated differently to other animals, but considering their "destructive nature" in terms of farm land... This is where hunting and animal cruelty is blurred. Many would argue that they kill pests such as rabbits in order to survive. The line is very blurred when it comes to this form of "hunting".

Rabbits are delicious. Those can be eaten too.
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I fully support the act of beating a dead horse. If it is already dead, is it still cruelty?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEQtC8xtY2U

Back on subject though, does not animals endure punishment on the daily basis? Even to the very house hold pets of cats and dogs. When they misbehave, we smack them, or hit them with a newspaper.

So in my personal opinion, cruelty is only in the eyes of the beholder. There is a certain degree to what is or isn't abuse, the same way as we determine what is or isn't legal for us to do to unruly children. A particular due amount of physical and/or mental punishment is required to properly train humans and animals to become the prim and proper tools for society the world requires of us.

Hunting for sport seems wrong, in my opinion. Hunting for survival, for the food that people eat in Alaska or over in Africa, is fine in moderation. When big businesses over fish, or over hunt, is when I feel it is "abuse" of that privilege. Killing shouldn't be a right, but a need, when it is for the preservation of self, rather than having the world die of hunger.

And yeah, different places have different laws. And in the same token, if everyone stopped hunting, and stopped fishing, the world would probably get overly populated by animals, and there would STILL be issues of starvation and hunger.

So, to each their own. Live and let die. But just as I don't believe in war, yet it is a known necessity to keep the world powers in line from taking over one another, I also reject the "art" of hunting for sport, if it is merely for enjoyment at the suffering of defenseless animals. We might as well make it legal "sport" for humans to hunt down and kill other humans, and brag about it with heads hanging from our wall. It's barbaric and wrong, and they do the same with dead fish, bears, and other such animals, to preserve their kill for showing off later.

Then again, the same can be said about the sport of boxing, when people bet money to watch two guys beat the **** out of one another, and yet they claim rooster fights for the same function of placing bets is immoral and illegal. It's all the same thing, just a different species.
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. Is hunting animals wrong?

yes

Or is abusing common house pets the wrong issue?

yes

And what do you feel should be done to those who commit animal abuse?

suffer what the animal suffered or death penalty or life prison if not too bad

its wrong to do this i hate it :@


its all wrong :@
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Nov 19 2009, 08:01 PM
I'm so sick and tired of having to discuss anything and everything RuneScape on here despite this place being a RuneScape site. This site used to have conversations OUTSIDE of RuneScape, and I want that to happen again; so I'm starting these "Serious Topics" every week. Hopefully people participate.

Small note, if anyone goes off topic, relates this to RuneScape in any way, shape, or form, or in general doesn't contribute to the topic, they will be reported for spam by ME.

Also, this next part isn't a necessity, but please re-read what you say so everything makes sense.

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Animal Cruelty



Let's talk animal cruelty. Is hunting animals wrong? Or is abusing common house pets the wrong issue? And what do you feel should be done to those who commit animal abuse? Should they simply be fined, or should they face years in prison? (Laws differ from location, so act as though there are no current laws right now or something)

I'll have a better response tomorrow when I can actually get something up about it.


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Animal's should be hunted, gotta eat, but that hunting for furs/I want a pretty coat bs gotta go; especially since all the 'pretty' ones are the endangered ones now a days.

Oh and if people are bringing up smackin a pet with a newspaper or something as cruelty then I bet those are the same people that don't spank their badass little kids. >;o

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Back on subject though, does not animals endure punishment on the daily basis? Even to the very house hold pets of cats and dogs. When they misbehave, we smack them, or hit them with a newspaper.


For that much, I actually sprayed a water bottle at mine. I don't feel right smacking them with something.

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I don't think to highly of hunting animals for no reason, I don't even go fishing cause i don't like to inflict pain on creatures,


I go fishing, but I catch and release. I don't like the thought of a fish dying in a bucket while I go fish up it's offspring/bretheren.
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As far as the hunting thing, I agree with Blind Guy's statement. Use all you can of the animal, and sure. But if you just want it to show off? You're sick.

With my animals, I squirt them with a bottle, and play around a little.

Beating a pet senseless is very wrong, and should be fined/banned from owning a pet. Why have a companion if you're just going to beat it? That's like beating your wife/husband, and children.

EDIT: Forgot the "y" on "why" >.>;
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