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How do you feel about the current system?
The staff are doing great, and everything is perfect. 1 (11.1%)
There is some room for improvement, still. 4 (44.4%)
Staff need to have more power of enforcement. 0 (0%)
Members need more say in changes to the system. 3 (33.3%)
I dislike the current enforcement methods and attitude. 1 (11.1%)
Total Votes: 9
Views on NG Enforcement; feedback for improvement in 2007
Topic Started: Feb 6 2007, 04:19 AM (543 Views)
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Feel free to leave your feedback here, as to what you feel about the current system. If it is good, if it needs improvement, and if so, where?

Some may find it difficult to give open feedback on their personal views, and this is fine. Simply inbox me, if you are unsure if your feedback may be found as directing toward a perticular member of the NG, and as such, being a violation of the rules. (Or if it is an abuse report, which should be reported, not posted. I shall also handle those such cases.)
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Too bad I can't vote for more than one.

I'll take these three:
There is some room for improvement, still.
Members need more say in changes to the system.
I dislike the current enforcement methods and attitude.

There needs to be a clear system of what is right and wrong, allowed and not. At the moment it seems to be that the staff ultimately decide what is ok, and what is not. Recent matters have shown the staffs inability to pursue punishment where it is requred, and in other places, extrememly overacted regarding the rule system.






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And as for the NG Staff, there are the publically shown Forum Division Guidelines, which clearly state every offense, and the manner in which it shall be handled.

There was, however, a recent notice that these guidelines took too long to enforce the rules. And there was a feedback vote, by the NG Staff, as to if we need stricter enforcement with less delay, to end all offenses. And then the Forum Leaders will later review the action taken, and decide if it was necessary or extreme. In which case, if too many extreme decisions would be made by a single NG Staff member, that member would be demoted, and replaced.

So, beyond the rules enforced. What were you refereing to that needed attention for correction?
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First of all, Erik, may I ask where all of this is coming from? Now, Hammles, to deal with all three of your key points:

1 - There is ALWAYS room for improvement.
2 - This is not a TRUE democracy, so members will never have a big say.
3 - Please present the flaws in the methods and what exactly is wrong with the attitude.

Finally, show me where our Staff has failed to handle a matter accordingly.
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I think that the enforcement in our staff system is pretty good. There is alto fo room for inprovement, such as attitudes and stuff.

Like I find there can be alot of biased decisions towards some members, and then there are a few members who have a huge butter dislikement for our staff...

To be continued when I get home *At school :x*
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Feb 7 2007, 12:10 AM
First of all, Erik, may I ask where all of this is coming from? Now, Hammles, to deal with all three of your key points:

1 - There is ALWAYS room for improvement.
2 - This is not a TRUE democracy, so members will never have a big say.
3 - Please present the flaws in the methods and what exactly is wrong with the attitude.

Finally, show me where our Staff has failed to handle a matter accordingly.

Members at least need to know what's going on with the Staff, you can't keep them in the dark, you saw what happened with RuneScape when JaGeX suddenly banned SwiftSwitch.
I'm not saying let the members make all the decisions, but they need to be in the loop somehow.

It appears, at least from my end, that the staff will do anything to protect itself, and anyone who gets in their way, must be dealt with more harshly than anyone else.
Liam is right, the staff seem biased towards some members.
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The Staff is and always will be biased towards certain members. The reason is, if someone attempts to remove you from your position in the Staff or just regularly tries to demean you, you wouldn't treat them fairly.

Now, about keeping the members in the dark - It's always been a policy of Erik's to try and keep the Staff matters to the Staff. That is one of the main reasons behind the mock government that NGoR holds. By "mock government", I'm referring to the King/Rank Leader positions. It relays the attention of the people from the actual issues and allows them to focus on Ranks and things of that matter.

I believe the Members do need SOME say, but I'm not a big fan of the ignorant majority.

Thank you, Hammles, for all of the feedback. You're one of the more important members here because of your ability to speak your mind about the issues.
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I think that the enforcement in our staff system is pretty good. There is alto fo room for inprovement, such as attitudes and stuff.

Like I find there can be alot of biased decisions towards some members, and then there are a few members who have a huge butter dislikement for our staff...

To be continued when I get home *At school :x*

To continue what I was saying, I was at school in Computer Sciences...

I think that the enforcement in our staff system is pretty good. There is also a lot of room for improvement, such as attitudes and stuff.

Like I find there can be a lot of biased decisions towards some members, and then there are a few members who have a huge butter hatred for our staff. I think that NGoR need a huge rehash in the rules, and the way members treat the staff, and staff teats the members. I think we do quite well for NGoR, seems that not a lot of clans/communities survive after a month or two. I think that once we get to the new forums this rehash will start taking place quite well. Because we have a new facility and a place to start fresh, and make new rules, and tweak them to the max. I think the problem with the rules is that some rule can contradict others, and some are just really stupid or unnecessary. The most part of these rules seam to have been created along time ago when the staff mainly played runescape. Now a lot of are staff don't play Runescape or are generally smarter then the past staff allowing us to create more simple, effective, and better rules for our community.
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Okay, so far we can agree that the community is doing great. But we also found some areas of minor issue, which shall be adjusted accordingly.

Such as, when a change is to take place, a public view will be taken, to see what the majority think on it. But in the end, it is still up to the NG Staff, to enforce it, and to make the final decision, based not only on personal experience, but (soon) also upon the input from the users of NG.

The other matter is the flaw of the users. If evidence is not supplied, there can be no action necessary, for there is no problem found. So, if the members can not relay proven offenses to the proper authorities, they need not make a public showing of matters, that have no place for slander in our great community.

Most likely, there shall be a change that will come to pass, where the NG Staff will exercise more authority, and we place high respect for those who earn the title of NG Staff. But this would also mean, the Forum Leaders would have the task of being the defense of justice, should any scarce misuse of power be exercised. The Forum Mods would close rule offensive threads, the Forum Admin would enforce the proper degree of action against offensive members, while the appeals and review of action taken will be checked later by the Forum Leaders. And if a wrongful action is found, based on a minor offense (or worse, no offense), the Forum Leaders would decide on either verbally repermanding of the NG Staff member, or demoting such an abuser of power and respected authority, and replace him/her with another, more worthy of the position.

Though this is still not perfection, and nothing in the history of mankind ever shall be, it is another step in the evolution process of a 9-year-running community.

If this sounds good, feel free to leave feedback, or tweaks toward perfecting it even more, before it is released for the public usage of the NG. And most of all, let's remember the respect of fellow family of the NG, and everyone is entitled to their opinion (so long as it isn't directly about any user in perticular -- yet helps benefit the other members of the NG in some way).

Holy: The people of the community need as much say before we make changes, as any one. For without them, we are nothing. Also, lately there has been a load of members comming to me, which lets me know that something isn't right. And, if everyone isn't happy (well, can't please everyone, butthe majority-speaking), there is something we are not yet doing 100% correctly. And is it to this end, that we are to strive for perfection, until such is achieved.

And in that, it is giving some feedback from the family here at NG, and then using that for brainstorming ideas for our next update, as well to see what would be theb est option for it, before we decide on things with our personal intuition alone.
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I0_0I: You can't compare on a bias because every single human being on the entire planet, ever since the dawn of time, has been biased.
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