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Fat Rex, Sanchez, the o-line, the other coaches.
Topic Started: Dec 24 2011, 06:19 PM (313 Views)
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ALL must fecking go at the end of the year. This is a loudmouth, gutless team with a fat idiot for a head coach. The refs did everything, EVERYTHING to hand these losers this game and they still couldn't win. Feck them, feck Rex's 'bravado,' which has won absolutely dick for this franchise, and feck his overrated defense.

I don't need to mention the others, one look at game film and you can tell what a pitiful piece of sh*t Sanchez is and the o-line doesn't help especially people like Moore and Hunter, enough of those two shitheads. Once again terrible offensive schemes by Schittenheimer and special teams were horrendous too. Big time changes this offseason, they had two shots in the AFC title game and blew it both times, the one last being totally unacceptable the way the team didn't even show up at the start. Enough with this group, they suck. 'Same old Jets,' Just End The Season.
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Here's what I told Vin at the start of the season...

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Vin, I told you in the offseason the Jets weren't that good. It's hard to say a team had two fluke runs to the AFC title game, but this team had two fluke runs to the AFC title game. They pulled upsets against better teams both years. They aren't and have never been a top 4 team in the league. Not saying they aren't good, but this isn't a title contender. Not with the lack of a pass rush, mediocre pass blocking from the guards, a quarterback who, at least for now, is in the 17th-20th range, not much explosiveness on offense and, let's keep it 100, a defense that has choked it up in big spots several times. They've been a smoke and mirrors team. They're a 10-6 team. Not exact record, but I mean the kind of team they are. The 10-6s are the teams that can go 11-5 in a good year, kinda sneak themselves into the conversation of the elite, or undeachieve a little and go 9-7. They make the playoffs, and maybe win a round, and then their limitations catch up to them. That's been the Jets. And I give Rex credit for twice getting this team farther than it should've gone. Last year was your 11-5 season and this year, with a tough schedule (and one winnable game already wasted in Oakland), it could be the 9-7. I'll put them in the middle and give them the 10-6. I think the running game will improve and the defense will pick up a little and the Jets will get into the playoffs as the second wild card. And you'll have another onerous road task, which falls short of the title game. But this wasn't and never has been a championship-caliber team. Jets fans get swept up in the emotion and the hype and start believing that sh*t. But think about it. In both of the previous two years, the team has given you legitimate reasons to seriosly question how good they are; are they for real; will this quarterback ever put it all together; is this defense overrated? If your team consistently gives you reason to ask those questions, you're not a title team. Yeah, every now and then you'll get a magical run and a non-elite will steal a championship like the Giants in '07. But that is so rare and you can't bank on that.


I was off by one. Looks like it'll be the 9-7 year... Stop wasting your emotions on this team. Had they beaten the Giants today, it still wouldn't have proven anything. Yeah, they'd be in better position to steal a playoff spot, but this isn't a team that would go anywhere. I know that goes against that "as a fan, you've always gotta believe" sh*t, but let's be realistic. If the Jets make the playoffs (if everything breaks their way and they can sneak in like in 2009), who are they beating? The only teams they'd stand a chance against are the Bengals (and that's no gimme), Houston (because of their QB situation, but that defense could be a problem) and Broncos/Raiders (and ya'll done lost to both already). I'm in the same boat being a Giants fan. I guaranteed they'd win this game. After the Cowboys win, I told someone, "No watch them f*ck up and lose a close one to the Redskins. Then they'll beat the Jets to get people believing again and you'll hear all the usual sh*t leading up to the showdown with the Cowboys. And they'll lose to the Cowboys, 31-27. Defense will blow a lead late and there'll be at least two crushing turnovers." I would've been SHOCKED if the Giants didn't beat the Jets. Not only because I think the teams are close in talent and the Giants are a bad matchup for the Jets, but because I know how my team will tease its fans. And I'd be SHOCKED if they don't lose a close one next week. Believing that keeps me from getting overly excited or upset about games. I think you Jets fans would benefit from that.
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The QB is a huge issue. Same with Schotty. Both have to go, not Rex though. Rex is the man, I'm not ready to throw him off the bus but if we miss the playoffs again next year then his seat will get red hot. (I know we still have a shot this year, but it's a LONG shot so I'm pretty much eliminating that hope)

We also need to get rid of Wayne Hunter and plug that gap, he's just awful.

Eric Smith has to go and we need a solid safety in his spot.

I'd be all over Manning if the Colts dangle him, but I doubt they will. Rex says we won't go after him, but if I know Woody, he will be ALL over that if it happens.

If not, you bring in a veteran like Kyle Orton to compete with Sanchez in pre-season and if Sanchez wins that battle then he's on a short leash and if he still looks like sh*t, make a change.
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Yup, I stand by what I say. And Rex is absolute sh*t, a loudmouth who has accomplished nothing. Please explain to me why this asshat deserves a break? He lost complete control of the team this year and the defense, which this guy is supposedly great at, is overrated beyond belief. Get him out.
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Yup, I stand by what I say. And Rex is absolute sh*t, a loudmouth who has accomplished nothing. Please explain to me why this asshat deserves a break? He lost complete control of the team this year and the defense, which this guy is supposedly great at, is overrated beyond belief. Get him out.
Like I said, Rex's bravado and bluster has taken away from what he's actually accomplished; it got people thinking this team was better than what it was, which in turn makes you all more disappointed and upset at the coach.

Go back to 2008. The defense was ranked 18th. Rex takes over and the only substantial additions were Bart Scott and Jim Leonard (and neither is a major impact player), plus there were the Kris Jenkins injuries and no pass rusher. There wasn't really an overhaul of the unit, and he got that defense to be ranked #1. And despite all the team's flaws and deficiencies (outlined those in another post) this team found its way to two AFC title games. The Jets never belonged there. They were NEVER one of the best four teams in the NFL. And twice - by luck or whatever - found themselves on the precipise of reaching the Super Bolw. But look at these rosters, top to bottom, and understand what this team has been. They have always been more closer to a .500 team than a true title contender. It's hard to say that of a team that got that far twice, but they pulled the highly-improbable twice. And Rex should be given a lot of credit for that. But all that hype and talk had Jets fans starting to think like the coach and believe some of that sh*t he was spewing. "Yeah, f*ck yeah! Super Bowl, bitches. We're gonna come to your town, f*ck your team up and talk sh*t all the way to a f*ckin' championship. The league is nothin' but a wet pussy and it's about to get wrecked by a big green cock!"

From Rex's end, I'm not even sure he believes some of that stuff he says. I think he's confident in his abilities and thinks he's got a good team, but he's not an idiot. He has to know what he's working with and understand there are limitations. He probably does it to get his guys amped and thinking, "Why not us?" I think there's 3 general well-known methods coaches often use to fire the team up. (1) Go old-school and berate them, point out flaws and tell 'em they ain't sh*t and get them angry and ready to take it out on the opponent. And, dammit, they'll run through a brick wall, they're so pissed. (2) Inspire them. Make some rousing speech about some sh*t, bring in a guest speaker with an inspirational story, and get them thinking, "It's us against the world. Nobody believes in us. Against all odds. Let's make it happen!" Get 'em so emotional and determined, they'll run through a brick wall. (3) Talk sh*t, build them up, a constant infusion of confidence, give them a swagger, thump your chest and call attention, make them the talk of the town, get them thinking they're invincible. When you get psyched up into believing you can do something, with that bit of confidence you stand a better chance. Boxing trainers do that stuff all the time. They'll run through the brick wall because they think they're the Incredible Hulk. Different ways to skin a cat and depending on the kinds of players on the roster, each method has varying effects. But I doubt Rex is the only coach who believes in method 3 - he's probably just the only one who'll carry that stuff over into the media and let everyone know.

The problem with that is, like I said, it gets fans and some in the media believing it. I've heard, "Well, the coach keeps saying so..." so many times. People start thinking this team is a legit Super Bowl contender; that Sanchez is a rising star ready to become an elite in Year 3; that a defense, despite the age and lack of playmakers in the linebackers, the lack of speed and coverage skills with the safeties and the lack of a consistent pass rush or pass rusher, inexperience and no impact player on the defensive line, could sustain being a top 5 unit in this league where offense is going nuts and throwing for 4,000 yards is becoming the norm. Jets fans bought it. So when the team falls way short of those lofty expectations, it makes the coach look like a blowhard, a dickhead. Stephen A. Smith said, "Rex lied to us!" But in that anger, holding it against him for saying what he would do, you're overlooking what he has done: and that's getting this overrated team to overachieve in 2 of his 3 seasons.

I think Rex has two more years and Sanchez has one. I think this offseason they have to change the offensive coordinator. I don't think Callahan would be a bad choice. It would help to have some continuity so there isn't the excuse of, "We're trying to learn a whole new thing on the fly and we have to build chemistry..." Callahan has a feel for this group and knows the strengths and weaknesses and what plays they're comfortable with already. Plus he can dust off Gruden's playbook from 2002 (when the Raiders got to the Super Bowl with Callahan using the same playbook Gruden left from '01). I think that true West Coast Offense is a good fit for this team. Sanchez has similar physical tools to Rich Gannon, who was a 55.9 completion percentage guy before he got to Oakland (Sanchez is 55.1%). First year with the Raiders, Gannon completed 59% and had 3,840 yards with 24 TDs/14 INTs. Callahan was coordinator; Jerry Rice wasn't there yet, it was 33-year-old Tim Brown and James Jett was the #2 receiver. As much of an asshole as Santonio Holmes is (I've met him and I know someone who knows him well - he's even more of an asshole than people know), he's talented and can be your Tim Brown. So I think those numbers would be a reasonable jump range for Sanchez - if he's got it in him. You can't pull the plug on a young QB without at least trying a new system (because once the plug is pulled, it's another 3-year rebuilding process before you even find out if the replacement is a bust or not - and it's not as if the Jets will be in position to draft someone high anyway). If Sanchez can't show real improvement with Callahan, then it's time for change. He signed for 5 years, so after 4 seasons, it'd be easier to cut him and move on. It wasn't that long ago when Giants fans had the same questions and complaints about Eli. He didn't have his first real good season until his 5th year. I remember in '06 talking to Giants fans who were adamant they needed to cut Eli and draft Troy Smith or Brady Quinn. The Giants made a similar change - firing John Hufnagel and making Gilbride the O-coordinator. Gilbride makes some idiotic calls sometimes, but overall, the results have been in his favor. So I think it makes sense to go that route.

You also need to bring in a good route runner for the slot. Plaxico doesn't run precise routes and he's kinda sloppy out of his breaks - always has been. Holmes makes good cuts out of his breaks, but he often doesn't run the route at the correct depth or the correct route and there's too many times there's a "miscommunication" between him and the QB (and my guess is Sanchez knows the playbook better than he does). That's why even with his talents and playing with Roethlisberger, Holmes' catch percentages were always like 55-59%. If they're running a WCO, they need someone who can run the slants, digs, quick outs, short curls and get quick separation or find holes in the zone. Derrick Mason seemed like that guy, but we don't know what happened. Maybe he got old; maybe Schottenheimer didn't know how to use him; maybe it was conflict behind the scenes. They also need a real speed threat, a guy who scares a defense and can draw coverage downfield. This offense got so dink-and-dunk teams weren't even respecting the intermediate, just sitting short. How does a team have 30 completions against a shitty Giants pass defense and only have 200 yards? When you can't even throw a check-down without traffic against Miami, it means your offense has been too conservative and it's been figured out. And they obviously need to improve that o-line because the running game fell off and at least once a game I'd see Sanchez doubled over or grabbing his arm and complaining of numbness. And they've got holes on defense. It's gonna be a tough offseason for them and it's gonna have to be a busy one. Tannenbaum will have to be near-perfect to get it fixed in one offseason.
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sh*t, it's been awhile since ol' Strider dropped one of the longass posts. Memories of 2003.
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Just read a Stephen A. Smith column calling for the Jets to dump Sanchez and Schottenheimer (no surprise, the column wasn't good), but it prompted me to look up Sanchez's final stats. They looked familiar.

Sanchez in Year 3: 3,474 yards (308-for-543), 26 TDs, 18 INTs, 6.40 YPA; team went 8-8

Eli in Year 3: 3,244 yards (301-for-522), 24 TDs, 18 INTs, 6.22 YPA; team went 8-8

Food for thought.

Do I think Sanchez will be an elite quarterback? No. If you grade him on every aspect of his game, he does nothing exceptionally, nor does he have any special talent and ability. But I'd say the same about Eli (and I'm sure ya'll remember enough rants to know how much he frustrated me). My opinion of Eli was: He can be "pretty good" if he cuts down on the stupid mistakes and improves his accuracy. He can be "very good" if he does that and they build a great offense around him with a strong offensive line, a good running game, receivers that get separation and tight ends and backs who can read zones and get open for check downs, and a play-caller who'll limit his opportunities to make stupid mistakes... I thought he was someone who needed everything to be good in order to be very good (good example of that was 2008). He's proven me wrong to an extent this season, suceeding with a poor running game and an offensive line that's got two glaring weak spots. I still don't think he's elite, but he's in that "very good" group. I put Sanchez in that "can be very good if enough things are good" category.

I'm not waving the pom poms for dude. I've always thought Jets fans overrated him and I was never really impressed with his performances in the playofffs (I don't think he's played as well as his numbers). But he's definitely not useless. And it's definitely too soon to give up on him. If you could get a healthy Peyton Manning, assurance from God he's good for three years, then absolutely. I don't believe in loyalty or sentiment in sports; if there's someone better who can be gotten and it makes sense to get them, get them. But I doubt Manning gets traded. It'd be stupid of the Colts to draft Luck and then just let him start from the jump, without even setting up the possibility of him learning from the most cerebral ever; without even giving Manning a chance to prove what he's got left. And there's no way they'd cut Peyton. His contract only paid him $6.4M this year, the bulk of it comes later along with his signing bonuses, which includes the $28M he's due in 2012. That cap hit would really hamper a team trying to rebuild. And since there's now the rookie wage scale (Cam Newton signed for $20 million), having Luck as a backup making about $5M wouldn't be brutal for them... And anyone else you'd be looking at as a replacement for Sanchez is either unproven, washed up or proven he sucks. I think the biggest free agents will be Jason Campbell (uh-uh) and Matt Flynn (the last time a team got a boner off an inexperienced backup QB based off two big games, it resulted in Kevin Kolb getting a big contract from the Cardinals). The Jets will be picking 16th in the draft, so Luck, RG3 and Landry Jones will probably be gone (unless you wanna trade up for the 5th pick again). Besides, if you give up on a 25-year-old QB to bring in a rookie QB, you're not really gonna have an idea what he is until he's in Year 3 or 4. And if the replacement QB sucks, you've just f*cked yourself out of about 5 years and two coaching regimes. So Sanchez is your QB - at least for another year. You get a new coordinator, get him some more help and see how/if he takes the next step. If not, his bonuses are all paid up and he's only due $4.2M in 2013, so he'd be easy to cut or bench.

What would bother me as a Jets fan is Rex and Tannenbaum coming out on Monday and saying Schottenheimer will be back, unless he gets the Jags job (and I don't know why the Jags would hire him now). Either they're satisfied with him or they're lying and hoping hard some team will hire him to save them from having to fire him. If it's the latter, they're putting themselves in a corner if he doesn't get a job. Keep him: the perception is they're soft, complacent bitches who didn't think 8-8 warranted making changes. Fire him: They're cowards who hoped Jacksonville would take a hard decision out of their hands and when it backfired, they had to go back on their word.
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