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Leftfield "Battle"
Topic Started: Mar 14 2010, 02:15 PM (308 Views)
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Gertner - .176 AVG | 0 XBH | 1 RBI
Hoffman - .150 AVG | 1 XBH | 0 RBI
Winn - .083 AVG | 0 XBH | 0 RBI
Thames - .067 AVG | 0 XBH | 0 RBI



What a joke. All these guys have been terrible. Since the battle for LF has been a disaster, Retardi has started to put Granderson in LF and Gertner in CF. Winn and Thames are barely playing. Unless something changes, it's looking like Gertner is winning by default. <_<
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I've wanted Granderson in LF and Gardner in CF all along anyway. Even before they struggled, Girardi said he'd try them each out in LF. Days Gardner sits, Granderson moves to CF, and Winn/Thames plays LF. Days Granderson sits, Gardner stays in CF, and Winn/Thames plays LF. That's my plan anyway.
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I will be SICK if Gertner becomes an everyday player, HE SUCKS!!!!! I'd rather just go with Winn in LF and play Granderson in CF. If Winn is awful then give Gertner a shot. f*ck GERTNER!
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In between his slow start when he lost the job to Melky and when he broke his hand/wrist/whatever, Gardner was playing well. How would Winn be better unless he finds the fountain of youth?
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Cheap Yews! Why didn't they at least bring Hinske back. He'd be a great bench guy and an adequate fallback. At least the guy can hit. Winn sucks. Thames really sucks. ... uggh. I can't believe it, but I'm actually missing SourMelky... :no1:
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Mar 14 2010, 03:28 PM
In between his slow start when he lost the job to Melky and when he broke his hand/wrist/whatever, Gardner was playing well. How would Winn be better unless he finds the fountain of youth?
Stop it! Gertner is not a Major League Baseball Player!!!!
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Mar 14 2010, 03:46 PM
Mattingly23
Mar 14 2010, 03:28 PM
In between his slow start when he lost the job to Melky and when he broke his hand/wrist/whatever, Gardner was playing well. How would Winn be better unless he finds the fountain of youth?
Stop it! Gertner is not a Major League Baseball Player!!!!
If Gertner could hit and bunt well, he'd be reasonable. As is, he suckS and is really just a 4th outfielder... :agent:
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Mattingly23
Mar 14 2010, 03:28 PM
In between his slow start when he lost the job to Melky and when he broke his hand/wrist/whatever, Gardner was playing well. How would Winn be better unless he finds the fountain of youth?
Brett Gertner f*cking SUCKS. I do not want him as a starter on this team. I don't even want him on the roster. Start his ass in AAA.
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Mar 14 2010, 05:11 PM
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Mar 14 2010, 03:28 PM
In between his slow start when he lost the job to Melky and when he broke his hand/wrist/whatever, Gardner was playing well. How would Winn be better unless he finds the fountain of youth?
Brett Gertner f*cking SUCKS. I do not want him as a starter on this team. I don't even want him on the roster. Start his ass in AAA.
Word!!! He should not be on ANYONES Major League 25 Man Roster.
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To be fair, out of the two, I was a Melky guy.
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Gardner is not an everyday player. He is however a very good bench player.
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Mar 14 2010, 07:14 PM
Gardner is not an everyday player. He is however a very good bench player.
Agreed. :peace:
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That may be true, but I still say he's worth a shot over Randy Winn!
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Mar 14 2010, 08:58 PM
That may be true, but I still say he's worth a shot over Randy Winn!
All four options Suck. Cashman dropped the ball on this one... :gaysmile:
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I was praying Winn or Thames would win the job. Both have been garbage.

Meanwhile, Reed Johnson is hitting .294 and signed for 800K. :-|
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I will stick with Gardner because he has proven he can play with a W>S> winner. He should improve.
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It's way too early to start caring about stats. Melky is hitting .320 with a couple doubles which is meaningless.
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Didn't Gardner have awesome stats last spring training, only to go ice cold in april and lose the CF job, only to catch fire during the season and basically win the job back, only to get hurt and be a bench player the rest of the year?

My point is quoting spring training stats is pointless. If spring training stats mattered, Collin Curtis would be the opening day left fielder.

There was never a battle, its always been Gardner. Get over it.
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I thought Reed Johnson was a good fit, but I could care less that he's batting .294 in Spring Training games.
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HomieYank
Mar 15 2010, 01:22 PM
There was never a battle, its always been Gardner. Get over it.
Yeah, that's why they gave Randy Winn $2m dollars, took an OF in the Rule V draft, and signed Thames. Cashman was praying one of these piles of shet would win the job. This way Gertner could be on the bench where he belongs.

Brett Gardner is a AAA player. Get over it.
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Is there a bigger player jinx than Homie? Every player he seems to like is either sh*t or becomes sh*t. Just look what Homie did to Wilslob Beatyourmeat's career.

And I like Homie's baseball analysis, I really do but he seems to misread players sometimes.
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I was never a big Gardner guy. I think he can hit .260 with a .340 on base% and a bunch of stolen bases and play great defense in Center. I don't see that as being all that great or unreasonable at all. People assume I love Gardner because I'm not in the camp of people who overrated Melky Cabrera and I make Jacoby Ellsbury (another overrated player who I don't think is all that special) comparisons.

You got me on Betemit, I was dead wrong there. But as I've stated previously, I was just happy to get rid of Proctor while he still had some value left and get a young player with some upside back.
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Mattingly23
Mar 15 2010, 05:16 PM
I thought Reed Johnson was a good fit, but I could care less that he's batting .294 in Spring Training games.
Agreed. Austin Jackson is hitting over .400. Too late to send Granderson back?
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Mar 16 2010, 11:32 AM
People assume I love Gardner because I'm not in the camp of people who overrated Melky Cabrera and I make Jacoby Ellsbury (another overrated player who I don't think is all that special) comparisons.
No Ellsbury isn't special, but he will hit around .300 and steal 75 bases. Gertner will not do that. Ellsbury has the ability to hit solid line drives into the gaps. Gardner does not. All he does it slap and bloop the ball in front of outfielders. He just flat-out sucks.
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Mar 16 2010, 05:30 PM
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Mar 16 2010, 11:32 AM
People assume I love Gardner because I'm not in the camp of people who overrated Melky Cabrera and I make Jacoby Ellsbury (another overrated player who I don't think is all that special) comparisons.
No Ellsbury isn't special, but he will hit around .300 and steal 75 bases. Gertner will not do that. Ellsbury has the ability to hit solid line drives into the gaps. Gardner does not. All he does it slap and bloop the ball in front of outfielders. He just flat-out sucks.
Given the exact same number of at bats, Gardner will be on base about as much, and steal about as many bases as Ellsbury. Ellsbury will have a higher average and hit a few more doubles. I'd rather have Ellsbury, but the two are not a world apart, and are similar players.
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Mar 16 2010, 07:01 PM
Given the exact same number of at bats, Gardner will be on base about as much, and steal about as many bases as Ellsbury. Ellsbury will have a higher average and hit a few more doubles. I'd rather have Ellsbury, but the two are not a world apart, and are similar players.
No, they are not similar players. Jacoby Ellsbury is a decent player. Brett Gardner is not. Jacoby Ellsbury is an every day MLB player. Brett Gertner is not. Until he proves otherwise, he's a 4th OF at best.
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Mar 16 2010, 07:13 PM
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Mar 16 2010, 07:01 PM
Given the exact same number of at bats, Gardner will be on base about as much, and steal about as many bases as Ellsbury. Ellsbury will have a higher average and hit a few more doubles. I'd rather have Ellsbury, but the two are not a world apart, and are similar players.
No, they are not similar players. Jacoby Ellsbury is a decent player. Brett Gardner is not. Jacoby Ellsbury is an every day MLB player. Brett Gertner is not. Until he proves otherwise, he's a 4th OF at best.
It doesn't matter if he proves it or not. You'll just close your eyes and cover your ears and yell and stomp your feet and pretend it never happened; kindof like last year when he hit .270 with a .345 OBP and stole 25 bases in 250 ABs.
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We can extrapolate Gardner's numbers to a full season for all we want, but the bottom line is if he can't get 500 at bats on this team it's for no other reason then he's not an every day player. And the comparison between him and Ellsbury still makes sense because they have a similar skill set, but if Gardner doesn't become an every day player they're no longer in the same league.
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I still don't understand the "Ellsbury is just OK" comments from some of you. Because he doesn't have a .400 OBP or a lot of power? Sabremetrics has its positives (obvious ones I don't need to expound on), but it's really f*cked with how people perceive players who don't fit the OPS+ ideals. Can somebody tell me what's wrong with .301/.355/70 steals in 82 tries? And I wouldn't care if that on-base matched his average. Because outside of upping a pitch count a little, getting on base alone doesn't mean much. Giambi, when he became that .240-hitting molusk, had the emptiest on-base percentages ever. Because he wasn't going anywhere, nor would he cause even the slightest distraction and he wasn't gonna score but 75 runs a year anyway. Swisher's on base doesn't impress, either. It just shrouds the fact that he'll have month-long stretches of nothingness. OK, he walked. Then he stood at first. Ellsbury is a major threat to do damage whenever he's on and he does the most damage when he gets on. Ask Andy Pettite if Ellsbury is more than "decent." Here's one for the haters: he'd be the most productive outfielder on this team.
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Mar 17 2010, 11:55 PM
I still don't understand the "Ellsbury is just OK" comments from some of you. Because he doesn't have a .400 OBP or a lot of power? Sabremetrics has its positives (obvious ones I don't need to expound on), but it's really f*cked with how people perceive players who don't fit the OPS+ ideals. Can somebody tell me what's wrong with .301/.355/70 steals in 82 tries? And I wouldn't care if that on-base matched his average. Because outside of upping a pitch count a little, getting on base alone doesn't mean much. Giambi, when he became that .240-hitting molusk, had the emptiest on-base percentages ever. Because he wasn't going anywhere, nor would he cause even the slightest distraction and he wasn't gonna score but 75 runs a year anyway. Swisher's on base doesn't impress, either. It just shrouds the fact that he'll have month-long stretches of nothingness. OK, he walked. Then he stood at first. Ellsbury is a major threat to do damage whenever he's on and he does the most damage when he gets on. Ask Andy Pettite if Ellsbury is more than "decent." Here's one for the haters: he'd be the most productive outfielder on this team.
I think on base percentage means that much more for someone like Ellsbury because of exactly what you said, the potential for a walk to be the equivalent of a double. With that said, Ellsbury had 45 extra base hits last year and Jeter had 46. I'm not sure Gardner is capable of that.
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