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| The Hot Stove Thread; Getting ready for 2010 and #28! | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 6 2009, 04:37 PM (483 Views) | |
| Sori4Mvp | Nov 6 2009, 04:37 PM Post #1 |
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#27 was special, such a roller coaster ride and I'm glad we all got to experience this together. Time for the hot stove, I'll be as hungry for #28 as I was #27!!! |
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| Sori4Mvp | Nov 6 2009, 04:39 PM Post #2 |
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News, Rumours, whatev, post it here. Feel free to post your own threads as well, but figured it would be good to have one big ass thread we can discuss a lot of happenings in. |
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| Venom | Nov 6 2009, 07:16 PM Post #3 |
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I haven't even really begun thinking about next year. I'm going to enjoy this WS for the weekend and start thinking about 2010 on Monday. |
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| Sori4Mvp | Nov 6 2009, 07:24 PM Post #4 |
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I started thinking about next year as the parade and festivities ended today.... |
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| Yanksfan03 | Nov 6 2009, 08:28 PM Post #5 |
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I'm going to give this another week before I really start thinking about next year. I'm going to do what I should've done years ago and really enjoy this one. |
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| Venom | Nov 6 2009, 09:34 PM Post #6 |
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Exactly, after all the bitching I've done during the last 4 or 5 years I'm really, really, REALLY going to enjoy this one. I learned my lesson. |
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| Sori4Mvp | Nov 7 2009, 01:31 PM Post #7 |
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I'll be enjoying this sh*t until first pitch of the regular season next year, then it's time for business and to have 28 in my thoughts. At the same time, this off season sh*t is popping off a lot sooner for us this year, GM Meetings on Monday I think. |
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| Sori4Mvp | Nov 7 2009, 06:40 PM Post #8 |
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Bullshit, no way we let BOTH Damon and Matsui walk.
Edited by Sori4Mvp, Nov 7 2009, 06:40 PM.
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| YankeeBaseball | Nov 7 2009, 10:15 PM Post #9 |
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Yankees Notes: Matsui, Damon, Cano By Luke Adams [November 7 at 7:11pm CST] As if dominating the playoffs wasn't enough, the New York Yankees are now dominating much of the hot stove discussion as well. We took a look at some rumors from the Bronx earlier today. Now John Harper of the New York Daily News offers ten suggestions for building the 2010 Yankees. A few of his ideas.... * Harper suggests offering Hideki Matsui a one-year deal, rather than just letting him walk. He thinks that, after a relatively healthy 2009, the Yankees could use the offensive depth, in case they aren't so lucky in 2010. * He also would like the team to sign Johnny Damon to a one- or two-year deal, if they can. * Harper wants to see Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes (or both) in the bullpen, with the team pursuing a free agent starter to fill out the back end of the rotation. * He believes that the Yankees "shouldn't rule out" dealing Robinson Cano, if the right offer arises. * Harper doesn't expect the team to pursue a starting pitcher as expensive as John Lackey this winter, naming Randy Wolf as a potential target instead. In a separate piece, the NY Daily News's Bill Madden agrees that Lackey is unlikely to become a Yankee. Madden thinks the team could look to the trade market for a starter instead, perhaps making catching prospect Jesus Montero available. |
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| Yanksfan03 | Nov 7 2009, 10:41 PM Post #10 |
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Not going after Lackey would be a big mistake. |
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| YankeeBaseball | Nov 7 2009, 10:50 PM Post #11 |
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The more I think about it, they've already spent a fortune on ZZ & AJ so I seriously doubt they spend $$$ for Lackey. (although personally I want him). Definitely resign Pettite. Then what about a Lieber-like 2or3yr incentive rich deal for Justin Duchscherer? If he pitches up to his potential, with our offense, he could win 15 at the back of the rotation. :shocked: He didn't pitch in 2009, but in 2008, his era was 2.54 and he boasts a career era of 3.14! :think: ZZ Brunette Pettite Hughes Duchscherer with Gaudin, McAllister, Wang (renegotiate a lower deal), Kennedy, etc. in case of injury. |
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| YankeeBaseball | Nov 7 2009, 10:52 PM Post #12 |
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I like how Joba regained his velocity and ferocity in the pen. Keep him there to setup with prominent roles for Marte and Robertson. :rock: |
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| YankeeBaseball | Nov 7 2009, 10:56 PM Post #13 |
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Damon If you're looking for Damon to DH, I'd rather keep Matsui, who is now a far better offensive player. If you're looking to keep Damon as a LF, he's old, his arm sucks, shaky defense,,, we can do better. I'd say let him walk either way. :agent: |
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| Sori4Mvp | Nov 7 2009, 11:50 PM Post #14 |
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We can't count on Wang, Joba and Hughes so in my mind Lackey is a must, even more so if Pettitte does retire. He should be this teams main focus. |
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| NYFanYGRK83 | Nov 8 2009, 10:44 AM Post #15 |
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Is he on crack??!!! Montero is not going anywhere and he better not go anywhere! I would explode if this team trades him and I go and see him smash 35-40 bombs with someone else. But I'm gonna enjoy this season for awhile, so enough of the hot stove for me!!! :peace: |
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| Sori4Mvp | Nov 8 2009, 12:45 PM Post #16 |
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| Sori4Mvp | Nov 8 2009, 03:52 PM Post #17 |
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Just get a text from a good sauce:
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| moomoo24 | Nov 8 2009, 10:26 PM Post #18 |
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Vin, your source probably couldn't be more wrong. Everyone has said Torre has really hated working in LA and the fact that their ownership is such a mess right now there is no way he's signing an extension. |
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| Sori4Mvp | Nov 8 2009, 11:02 PM Post #19 |
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We shall see. |
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| YankeeBaseball | Nov 8 2009, 11:15 PM Post #20 |
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According to Rosenthal, "some who know [Matt] Holliday say he would prefer not to play in New York." :annoyed: |
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| YankeeBaseball | Nov 8 2009, 11:21 PM Post #21 |
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"With revenue being generated at a pace 29 other teams couldn't fathom and overindulgence the principal theme throughout the organization, not to mention a roster that actually has some holes, it's tough to imagine the Yankees standing pat, especially when Scott Boras begins shopping Holliday to the Red Sox. The Yankees want to improve the back end of their rotation. They expected more from Chien-Ming Wang and Joba Chamberlain after Mike Mussina's retirement, and in the end settled on Chad Gaudin as the No. 4 starter. Andy Pettitte might retire, too, so as many as three rotation spots are up in the air, and what's another $100 million-plus if Lackey wants to join the fun? The outfield also needs tweaking, if not an overhaul. The three starters in the clinching game were Johnny Damon, Brett Gardner and Nick Swisher, with Melky Cabrera on the bench with a hamstring strain. Damon is a free agent as is Hideki Matsui, the outfielder-turned-DH. Holliday - or, at a slightly lower price, Jason Bay - would make all the sense in the world for the team with all the money in the world. For the record, Halladay and Mauer, along with Carl Crawford, can be free agents after the 2010 season. Can the Yankees wait that long with Lackey and Holliday on the immediate horizon? Just wait". (John Shea, S.F. Chronicle) |
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| YankeeBaseball | Nov 8 2009, 11:33 PM Post #22 |
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Celebration's over, now it's time for New York Yankees GM Brian Cashman to work on next year Bill Madden Yankees GM Brian Cashman is now tasked with deciding which players to bring back and who to let walk away. Turns out the only thing longer than the baseball season this year was the Yankees' World Series victory parade and ceremony. Now that they've finally concluded (they have, haven't they?), it's right back to business for the Yankee high command as the baseball winter waits for no man. No sooner than they've wiped all the remaining confetti from their hair, Andy Pettitte, Johnny Damon, Hideki Matsui, Eric Hinske, Jerry Hairston Jr., and Jose Molina will all file for free agency, leaving Yankee GM Brian Cashman with the task of deciding which of them if any to bring back. In any case, it's highly doubtful if Cashman will offer any more than a one-year contract to any of them. Like we said, it's business. Unlike previous years where there was always a specific need to address, this winter's top priority for Cashman is to substantially reduce the Yankee payroll. Those six aforementioned free agents, plus the impending non-tendering of Chien-Ming Wang represent about $44 million coming off the books. Long before the necessity of returning the Yankees to the postseason compelled him to invest $423 million of Steinbrenner money on CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Mark Teixeira last winter, Cashman's goal as GM was to make the Yankees younger and cheaper, as in weeding out all the prohibitive longterm contracts and replacing them whereever possible with players from within. Believe it, Cashman is embarrassed as anyone over the Yankees' bloated payroll and equally sensitive to the recurring charges that he merely bought a world championship. Just read between the lines of what he said amid the on-field euphoria after Wednesday night's Game 6 clincher: "I'm glad we were able to finish what we started. It's not like you can make something instantly. It takes a process. You had major free-agent additions that cost a lot of money. You had some trades sprinkled in that helped in a big way. Then you had a lot of homegrown guys, old and new, that led us here. That involves a lot of people, player development people that finish off what the scouts bring." You can see where he's heading. Of all the Yankee free agents, the only one Cashman will certainly woo hard to bring back - albeit with a one-year contract - is the 37-year old Pettitte. But after going 14-8 in the regular season and then 4-0 in the postseason, expanding his record as the winningest postseason pitcher ever, Pettitte's ever aggressive agents, the Houston-based Hendricks brothers, are going to want a whole lot more than the $5.5 million base he signed for last winter. Assuming Pettitte does return, that still leaves two unsettled spots in the back of the rotation which, ideally, Cashman would like to fill with Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain. But after the way the Joba Rules diminished him the second half of this season, does anyone believe Chamberlain can be a consistent, effective starter? And despite his first taste of failure and loss of confidence as the eighth-inning set-up man in the postseason, Yankee front office operatives still believe Hughes, once he gets back to using all his pitches, will be able to fill the bill as a back-of-the-rotation starter. They also believe Alfredo Aceves can be a more-than decent starter if need be. No doubt Cashman would love to fill out the rotation with inexpensive homegrown starters that's always been his goal but when have the Yankees ever gone to spring training leaving themselves so thin in the starting pitching department? The free agent market doesn't appear to offer any viable options unless, of course, no teams are willing to pay the going rate of $15 million plus per year for John Lackey, which would send him into the Yankees' realm of $10-12 million per year. It could happen as the Angels do not appear inclined to pursue Lackey at those ($15 million-plus) numbers, and the Texas Rangers, who are said to be his team of preference, are in the process of being sold, with an ownership in flux. Otherwise, the Yankees are in prime position to trade for a front line starter, should one become available, with their top prospect, power-hitting catcher Jesus Montero, much coveted. Most scouts feel Montero will be a bigtime hitter in the majors, but that he is already out-growing the catcher position and will eventually have to move to first base which is why the Yankees, who have a surplus of catching talent in the system, feel they can afford to move him in the right deal. As for the outfielders, it was originally thought by the Yankee brass they could part ways with Damon and Matsui, both of whom earned $13 million this season, and replace them with a younger free agent outfielder along the lines of a Chone Figgins for $9-10 million per. That still might happen, but Damon's and Matsui's productive postseasons have caused for a re-assessment on the Yankees' part. Do not be surprised if they offer both one-year deals in Damon's case with a vesting option and then wait and see how much they want to remain Yankees. Matsui could probably get a king's ransom to return to Japan while Damon would do well to check out last winter's market for over-35 outfielders before he buys too much into the inflated numbers his rep, Scott (Avenging Agent) Boras is claiming he has to get. The winning was fun, but that's over now. The baseball winter came early this year, and from this day on it's just business. |
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| YankeeBaseball | Nov 8 2009, 11:41 PM Post #23 |
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Here's a few low risk, high rewards incentive (Lieber) deal possibilities in case we can't reel in Lackey: Ben Sheets Justin Duchscherer Rich Harden |
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| Yanksfan03 | Nov 9 2009, 01:04 AM Post #24 |
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Cano pissed me off this postseason, extremely pissed me off, but unless we can pull off a deal here similar to like upgrading from Soriano to Al, other teams can f*ck off. I also think a lot of this is a knee-jerk reaction to a bad postseason. Why don't we trade Tex too? He had a f*cking terrible postseason at the plate himself. |
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| Yanksfan03 | Nov 9 2009, 01:09 AM Post #25 |
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Then he's a f*cking tool. Winning should be the only thing that matters. If I see this team start losing in the next few years because we've got people like Ramiro Pena and Cervelli in the lineup on an everyday basis thanks to our cheapass GM I'm not going to be happy. Stuff like this is why I miss George Steinbrenner. Edited by Yanksfan03, Nov 9 2009, 01:11 AM.
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| HomieYank | Nov 9 2009, 07:50 AM Post #26 |
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Stop taking Bill Madden articles seriously. You people are better than this. And I've really heard enough of this Chone Figgins nonsense. Give me Damon at 13mill a year over Brett Gardner plus for 10mill and our first two draft picks. Its rediculous to even consider that an option after the way Damon played in the playoffs and in the regular season.
well said. Glad to see this most recent title has brought you closer to joining the bright side. Pointing out knee-jerk reactions instead of jumping to them. |
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| HomieYank | Nov 9 2009, 08:01 AM Post #27 |
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Money coming off the books. Damon 13m Matsui 13m Pettitte 12m Nady 6.5m Hairston Jr 2m Molina 2m Bruney (will most likely be non tendered) 1.25m Basically 50m coming off the books, though you probably shouldn't count all of Hairston's money since he wasn't a yankee all year. Nady becomes Melky Hairston becomes Pena Molina becomes Cervelli Bruney becomes Robertson That leaves two big holes in LF and #3 starter. |
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| YankeeBaseball | Nov 9 2009, 08:33 AM Post #28 |
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"That leaves two big holes in LF and #3 starter". Bring Pettite back one year 10mil + incentives. Also, sign a low risk/high reward guy to a 2-3yr Lieber type contract. This will potentially give us another #3. Ben Sheets Justin Duchscherer Rich Hardon come to mind. LF I guess you go with a Damon 1yr deal and give "Action Jackson" a look on the ML level (when he mans CF, shift Melky to right and Swisher to Left and Damon to DH)... :peace: |
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| Sori4Mvp | Nov 9 2009, 02:03 PM Post #29 |
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If this team doesn't want to spend big money they can go out and give a Lieber type deal to Bedard on the low. He's recovering from surgery for a torn labrum, shoulder injuries are always big time risky, but it wouldn't take much cash to land him. |
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| YankeeBaseball | Nov 9 2009, 02:08 PM Post #30 |
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Yeah, he's another one we'd have to consider. :peace: What's up with Webb? :dunno: |
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