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Topic Started: Mar 17 2009, 07:30 PM (576 Views)
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The Jets have had a lot of lean years, we haven't won it all since 1969 as we all know. We had the Kotite years which were just the absolute bottom. However, this franchise has been pretty f*cking solid since Parcells took it over. 8 of our last 11 years have been .500 or better. 5 playoff appearances in that time. 3 playoff wins, 2 division titles. I mean I want championships don't get me wrong, but compared to where this franchise was from 1970-1997, we've come a long f*cking way and there are a lot more inept franchises in the NFL then the New York Jets, that's for damn sure. New Yorkers who root for the Knicks can feel a drought similar to the Juets though when it comes to the bottom line of winning championships. They haven't won sh*t since the 72-73 season. Our day will come, it might be after I'm dead unfortunately, but it will come.
Drinking the Fatsesser koolaid? Have the Jets won a damn thing that matters since 1969? No, end of discussion. The franchise is a joke, they may be the worst franchise in all of sports.

And btw, I'm not saying Cutler would be pegged for the HoF, I don't know how he would've turned out, but I can tell you one thing for sure, he'd have been a hell of a lot better than what we're going with this year and beyond.
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The Jets have had a lot of lean years, we haven't won it all since 1969 as we all know. We had the Kotite years which were just the absolute bottom. However, this franchise has been pretty f*cking solid since Parcells took it over. 8 of our last 11 years have been .500 or better. 5 playoff appearances in that time. 3 playoff wins, 2 division titles. I mean I want championships don't get me wrong, but compared to where this franchise was from 1970-1997, we've come a long f*cking way and there are a lot more inept franchises in the NFL then the New York Jets, that's for damn sure. New Yorkers who root for the Knicks can feel a drought similar to the Juets though when it comes to the bottom line of winning championships. They haven't won sh*t since the 72-73 season. Our day will come, it might be after I'm dead unfortunately, but it will come.
Drinking the Fatsesser koolaid? Have the Jets won a damn thing that matters since 1969? No, end of discussion. The franchise is a joke, they may be the worst franchise in all of sports.

And btw, I'm not saying Cutler would be pegged for the HoF, I don't know how he would've turned out, but I can tell you one thing for sure, he'd have been a hell of a lot better than what we're going with this year and beyond.
I can name you several NFL franchises that are far more inept then the New York football Jets. Yes, championships is the bottom line, which is why I bring up the Knicks and the fact that they haven't won won in 36 years. However, look at two teams alone in the Lions and Browns, and you are looking at two teams far more inept then the New York Jets. I throw out the Bengals and Cardinals as well, and yes the Cardinals did go to the Super Bowl this year but they lost and have been one of the if not the worst franchises in all of sports. Am I proud of what I've seen over the years as a Jets fan? Of course not. To say we are one of the worst franchises in the league at this time, that's just not true. And again, you said it best, you don't even know what Cutler is going to be. Don't jump off a bridge over this guy, and you can't just snap your finger and trade for a guy. You are competing with many other teams for this guy and we got beat to the punch. We didn't last year with Favre, and you know damn well if we didn't get Favre last year you would have been the first guy here making a post just like you made today.
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I actually didn't care about the Favre move, I made no posts about it until after the deal happened and even then I cautioned that it might not work out, so you're wrong about that one.

And I'm not talking about the Jets 'post-Parcells' who f*cking cares about that? I'm talking the Jets post-1969, they've done f*cking sh*t and they've been one of, if not THE worst, franchise in sports since then, period. 40 years and counting and not one Super Bowl appearence since winning it. For a team that plays in NY and the advantages that brings, even in a league with a salary cap, that's pitiful.
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Apr 2 2009, 09:05 PM
I actually didn't care about the Favre move, I made no posts about it until after the deal happened and even then I cautioned that it might not work out, so you're wrong about that one.

And I'm not talking about the Jets 'post-Parcells' who f*cking cares about that? I'm talking the Jets post-1969, they've done f*cking sh*t and they've been one of, if not THE worst, franchise in sports since then, period. 40 years and counting and not one Super Bowl appearence since winning it. For a team that plays in NY and the advantages that brings, even in a league with a salary cap, that's pitiful.
f*ck an appearance, if we get there we have to win it so I'm not losing sleep over not appearing in one. I want to win one. From 1970-1997 this team made 5 playoff appearances. Over the last 11 years we've matched that. So despite the fact we still haven't won since 1969 it is a fact that things have gotten better. I do agree with the bottom line though, we haven't won sh*t since 1969, because the bottom line is always championships. One of the worst franchises in all of sports??? That we are not!
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Yes they are one of the worst franchises in sports.
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Apr 2 2009, 09:05 PM
I actually didn't care about the Favre move, I made no posts about it until after the deal happened and even then I cautioned that it might not work out, so you're wrong about that one.

And I'm not talking about the Jets 'post-Parcells' who f*cking cares about that? I'm talking the Jets post-1969, they've done f*cking sh*t and they've been one of, if not THE worst, franchise in sports since then, period. 40 years and counting and not one Super Bowl appearence since winning it. For a team that plays in NY and the advantages that brings, even in a league with a salary cap, that's pitiful.
You know you would have went ape sh*t if we didn't get Favre. And you were wise to caution it might not work, just like Cutler might have not worked out either. Neither one were promising us a Super Bowl, however, both I thought increased our chance at one. We got Favre, the gamble didn't work but I'd do that move 100 times over again. I would have loved to have brought in Cutler. It would have made us a better team, but again, wouldn't have promised us anything. I find it hard to believe this team didn't try to get him, and that is what you are implying.
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Apr 2 2009, 09:12 PM
Yes they are one of the worst franchises in sports.
You have the right to your opinion but I totally disagree with you.
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I actually didn't care about the Favre move, I made no posts about it until after the deal happened and even then I cautioned that it might not work out, so you're wrong about that one.

And I'm not talking about the Jets 'post-Parcells' who f*cking cares about that? I'm talking the Jets post-1969, they've done f*cking sh*t and they've been one of, if not THE worst, franchise in sports since then, period. 40 years and counting and not one Super Bowl appearence since winning it. For a team that plays in NY and the advantages that brings, even in a league with a salary cap, that's pitiful.
You know you would have went ape sh*t if we didn't get Favre. And you were wise to caution it might not work, just like Cutler might have not worked out either. Neither one were promising us a Super Bowl, however, both I thought increased our chance at one. We got Favre, the gamble didn't work but I'd do that move 100 times over again. I would have loved to have brought in Cutler. It would have made us a better team, but again, wouldn't have promised us anything. I find it hard to believe this team didn't try to get him, and that is what you are implying.
I honestly would not have given a sh*t about getting Favre. I wasn't in love with going into the season with Chad Pennington but even that situation was better than the one we have now at least Pennington won some big games for us. Can't say the same for the sh*t we're throwing out there this year.
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And you're damn right I'm implying this team didn't try to get him. I think they touched base and then said 'f*ck it.' Because that is their attitude to everything. "We lost again, ah well f*ck it, we're the Jets, we're supposed to lose. At least we made a ton of money on season ticket sales."
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Apr 2 2009, 09:19 PM
And you're damn right I'm implying this team didn't try to get him. I think they touched base and then said 'f*ck it.' Because that is their attitude to everything. "We lost again, ah well f*ck it, we're the Jets, we're supposed to lose. At least we made a ton of money on season ticket sales."
That's your view on it and I'll leave it at that. I just don't agree that we threw our name in the hat and then came back and said f*ck it we are just not going to try and get Cutler. I'm not going to lose sleep over us not getting Cutler. If you feel we are one of the worst franchises in all of sports, that's fine. I'll end it here and just disagree with you respectively of course.

Don't kill yourself over this bro.

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If we had a QB on the roster worth a damn it would be a lot easier to take this. You're not going to lose sleep because for whatever reason you think Ratliff will amount to anything other than garbabe. That's fine, that's your opinion. Fact is though, neither he or Clemens will ever be as good as Cutler and this was a blown opportunity, again, that's the bottomline.
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Another thing the Jets should be concerned about, regardless of who the QB is, is who's the second receiver. It ain't Stuckey. And if they're sitting back and waiting for Percy Harvin at #17, they're wrong. He was a pauperized man's Reggie Bush in college, was injury prone, is far from a polished receiver and isn't even a natural reciever (RB converted to RB/WR). He also wouldn't help them with the "How come all their receivers are short?" department. Not to mention, first-year receivers don't usually do much. I like Cotchery, but he's not a true #1 or a red zone target.

Vin, why do you want Ratliff over Clemens?
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That's true too, we do need a great receiver. It's bad enough we'll have a qb who has a problem getting the ball to people but that is compounded when you don't have play making wr's. Both are areas that need improvement but to me, I'd start with qb first. I could've gone a year with Cotchery as our best receiver if Cutler was the qb. But Clemens/Ratliff working with our receivers? This is going to be a f*cking disaster.

I do agree with Vin that Leftwich or Garcia aren't the answers either, f*ck that, I'd rather have the garbage already on the roster than bring garbage in from outside but still, it's going to be terrible season no matter who the hell we have. I want changes or better yet, I want the Jets to get the f*ck out of the NY/NJ area so I don't have a favorite team anymore and can just sit back and enjoy the great sport of football. I haven't been able to truly enjoy a season in 20 years of watching because of this embarrassing joke of a franchise.
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What if Clemens makes the Pro Bowl this year?

Obviously, I'd have tried to make a move for Cutler (and what I've heard is the Jets didn't wanna part with two first-rounders), but if the Broncos had said, "Since you can't give us a starting QB with experience in return, we'll take two firsts, a third-rounder and Darrelle Revis," would you have done it? That, I wouldn't have done.
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What if Clemens makes the Pro Bowl this year?

Obviously, I'd have tried to make a move for Cutler (and what I've heard is the Jets didn't wanna part with two first-rounders), but if the Broncos had said, "Since you can't give us a starting QB with experience in return, we'll take two firsts, a third-rounder and Darrelle Revis," would you have done it? That, I wouldn't have done.
No way I would have gotten rid of Revis in any deal for Jay Cutler.

As far as why I want Rat instead of Clemens, simply because I've seen Clemens get a chance and wasn't too pleased with how he played and the results. That doesn't mean he can't get the job done, I'm not rooting against him to win the job. I just want to see the best man come out with the job and it will be fine to see a youngster get the chance instead of bringing it a guy like Garcia who can maybe help you win 9 games and give you a shot at the playoffs. I'd just rather see the undrafted, underdog Ratliff come out of nowhere grab the job and perform well. Obviously it's a long shot, but it would make for a good story.
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Why hasn't this team signed Torry Holt yet? We could have an all NC State 1-2 at receiver.
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What if Clemens makes the Pro Bowl this year?

Obviously, I'd have tried to make a move for Cutler (and what I've heard is the Jets didn't wanna part with two first-rounders), but if the Broncos had said, "Since you can't give us a starting QB with experience in return, we'll take two firsts, a third-rounder and Darrelle Revis," would you have done it? That, I wouldn't have done.
I'd have done it, draft picks, especially as far as the Jets are concerned are far from slam dunks, and you take the hit on defense to get a potential franchise qb. Cutler would give this team a better chance to win than Revis does and he sure as hell would give us a better chance than Kellen Clemens or Brett Ratliff neither of who will ever be Pro Bowlers.

Sometimes, you have to give to get and frankly the reason the Jets are in this situation is because they don't know how to draft.
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Why hasn't this team signed Torry Holt yet? We could have an all NC State 1-2 at receiver.
Why the hell would Holt want to sign here? To catch passes from Clemens or Ratliff? :laugh2:

I'd love to see him sign but I know if I were a top receiver the last team I'd want to sign with is the Jets. I'd be looking for a team that has a QB who can get the ball to people and who has a chance of actually winning.
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By the way, I was listening to Mike and Mike this morning and I think it was Peter King who was on and said the Jets didn't try hard to go after Cutler. He suggested they were happy with what they have and were probably one of the teams turned off by how Cutler has acted the last month. Woody Johnson is a dipshit and our GM is even more of a dipshit. You can't get rid of the owner but I'd love if "Mr. T" was run out of town. The fact that the first choice of these two morons was Brett Favre before he retired says all you need to know about them.
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:laugh: @ Yanksfan03. Always getting mad. :bag:
I'm glad hes not with the Juets.
But damn It sucks that hes not with Denver anymore. :fyou:

But worst franchise in sports???

Oakland Raiders
Detroit Lions
Cleveland Browns
Arizona Cardinals

Or what about Cincy or New Orleans?

Thier all worse then the Jets IMO.

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I'm not talking about now though, I'm talking about overall. The Jets have had some good seasons in the last decade, big deal, overall they're a joke, period.
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