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At least Sori is a Professional hitter! I hated the fact that he was traded..but I understood, I still hope he comes back somehow.
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At least Sori is a Professional hitter! I hated the fact that he was traded..but I understood, I still hope he comes back somehow.

Professional hitter? He's the streakiest sumbitch ever and I think he's hitting about .002 lifetime in the playoffs. And it's almost a definite that if you throw a slider off the outside corner, Soriano will chase it. He might be less patient than Cano and he probably strikes out at least twice as often. And we don't even need to go into how much he sucked at second base. If you want Soriano, say it's because he adds power and stolen bases. That "professional hitter" sh*t is reserved for guys who make contact consistently, have good fundamentals and are smart situational hitters. Blackhead ain't that. And he's got something like a $120M contract.
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Ask Cubs fans today how they feel about Soriano. :rofl:
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At least Sori is a Professional hitter! I hated the fact that he was traded..but I understood, I still hope he comes back somehow.

Professional hitter? He's the streakiest sumbitch ever and I think he's hitting about .002 lifetime in the playoffs. And it's almost a definite that if you throw a slider off the outside corner, Soriano will chase it. He might be less patient than Cano and he probably strikes out at least twice as often. And we don't even need to go into how much he sucked at second base. If you want Soriano, say it's because he adds power and stolen bases. That "professional hitter" sh*t is reserved for guys who make contact consistently, have good fundamentals and are smart situational hitters. Blackhead ain't that. And he's got something like a $120M contract.

Ah very true but let's not forget those two great moments, the HR off Sasaki and Seattle to win Game 4 and propel us in that series or the clutch HR off Schilling that should have won the 2001 World Series for us if Mo and Scotty B didn't have a couple of mental breakdowns. But yes, he has been awful overall in the postseason and pretty much any little success he did have in the postseason was very early in his career. With this being said I love the guy, one of my all time favorites along with Bernie Williams, Orlando Hernandez and Mel Hall! :rock:
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At least Sori is a Professional hitter! I hated the fact that he was traded..but I understood, I still hope he comes back somehow.

Professional hitter? He's the streakiest sumbitch ever and I think he's hitting about .002 lifetime in the playoffs. And it's almost a definite that if you throw a slider off the outside corner, Soriano will chase it. He might be less patient than Cano and he probably strikes out at least twice as often. And we don't even need to go into how much he sucked at second base. If you want Soriano, say it's because he adds power and stolen bases. That "professional hitter" sh*t is reserved for guys who make contact consistently, have good fundamentals and are smart situational hitters. Blackhead ain't that. And he's got something like a $120M contract.

He gives TOTALLY solid numbers EVERY season. Granted his postseason offense has sucked.....but CANO doesn't even sniff his numbers at the plate! He has ability.....but the mental makeup of a child. Defensively...it's not even fair....Cano is head and shoulders one of the best defensive second basemen.....but I STILL take SORI in a heartbeat!
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It's one slob for another.....I love Sori but he is terrible in the clutch and strikes out in big spots all the time. Cano is lazy and I'm sick of looking at him, he's a wash and at this point I'm confident Sori would put up better numbers but Cano obviously has a higher ceiling if he can get his head straight and in the game. If you bring Sori in you can let Abreu walk have Sori and Manny split some time in the outfield and sign Orland Hudson to play 2B.
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Trading Robinson Cano would be a mistake unless you got something crazy. Not Matt Kemp, not Soriano's bloated contract.... He's one of the best second basemen in baseball in his sleep. One day he's going to wake up.
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He gives TOTALLY solid numbers EVERY season. Granted his postseason offense has sucked.....but CANO doesn't even sniff his numbers at the plate! He has ability.....but the mental makeup of a child. Defensively...it's not even fair....Cano is head and shoulders one of the best defensive second basemen.....but I STILL take SORI in a heartbeat!


I know he puts up solid numbers. More than solid. But he doesn't fit the unwritten defintion of professional hitter. Those are guys who are good situational hitters, don't strike out often and hit for high average. By definition, Soriano would actually be more of a slugger. You know who was a professional hitter? Edgar Martinez. Not someone who regularly chases pitches a foot out of the strike zone. I was a Soriano fan. I liked him here and I defended him. But I disagree with your assessment of him. Like I said in the last post, you can argue for him by saying that he's got potential to hit 35-40 homers and steal 30 bases. But you have to concede that he is streaky as f*ck. Season to season, too. He's as likely to hit .290 as he is .270. He's also a loafer and is often a bonehead. A lot of the sh*t that's being said about Cano was said about Soriano. Remember?

Average: Cano
Power: Soriano
Speed: Soriano
Defense: Cano

And you could argue that in all four categories, the guy with the advantage has it with a wide margin over the other. It's damn near even overall. Except... Cano is 25 and has more upside. Even with a .300+ career average, he's cleary got untapped potential. Cano was re-signed for about $30 million. Soriano has a $120-million contract. We should also factor in Soriano being 33 when the 2009 season starts.

It won't happen, nor should it.
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He gives TOTALLY solid numbers EVERY season. Granted his postseason offense has sucked.....but CANO doesn't even sniff his numbers at the plate! He has ability.....but the mental makeup of a child. Defensively...it's not even fair....Cano is head and shoulders one of the best defensive second basemen.....but I STILL take SORI in a heartbeat!


I know he puts up solid numbers. More than solid. But he doesn't fit the unwritten defintion of professional hitter. Those are guys who are good situational hitters, don't strike out often and hit for high average. By definition, Soriano would actually be more of a slugger. You know who was a professional hitter? Edgar Martinez. Not someone who regularly chases pitches a foot out of the strike zone. I was a Soriano fan. I liked him here and I defended him. But I disagree with your assessment of him. Like I said in the last post, you can argue for him by saying that he's got potential to hit 35-40 homers and steal 30 bases. But you have to concede that he is streaky as f*ck. Season to season, too. He's as likely to hit .290 as he is .270. He's also a loafer and is often a bonehead. A lot of the sh*t that's being said about Cano was said about Soriano. Remember?

Average: Cano
Power: Soriano
Speed: Soriano
Defense: Cano

And you could argue that in all four categories, the guy with the advantage has it with a wide margin over the other. It's damn near even overall. Except... Cano is 25 and has more upside. Even with a .300+ career average, he's cleary got untapped potential. Cano was re-signed for about $30 million. Soriano has a $120-million contract. We should also factor in Soriano being 33 when the 2009 season starts.

It won't happen, nor should it.

Can't disagree with your reasoning. Calling him a professional hitter was a stretch by those criteria.......but the point was , and I will stick by it.....Sori was much more productive at the plate than Cano will ever be.
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I won't argue that Sori's numbers look better but I still hate him as much as Cano. And if we were trading Cano (which we're not), I would want it to be for somebody else, preferably an ace pitcher.
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I would love Sori in CF or LF, but I prefer the type of player Cano should be to the player Sori is.
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Oct 6 2008, 08:45 AM
I won't argue that Sori's numbers look better but I still hate him as much as Cano. And if we were trading Cano (which we're not), I would want it to be for somebody else, preferably an ace pitcher.

I don't disagree with that statement of parlaying any trade involving him into a pitcher......but it's just wishful thinking.
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Oct 6 2008, 09:08 AM
I would love Sori in CF or LF, but I prefer the type of player Cano should be to the player Sori is.

Cano is what he is.....an excellent defensive player.....with the tools to be an excellent offensive player, who lacks the self discipline and commitment to fully achieve his potential as a Yankee. The best thing for the Yankees and him is to get value for him in a trade. He will probably shine for some other team.....but if we get value back it won't really matter!
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I would love Sori in CF or LF, but I prefer the type of player Cano should be to the player Sori is.

Cano is what he is.....an excellent defensive player.....with the tools to be an excellent offensive player, who lacks the self discipline and commitment to fully achieve his potential as a Yankee. The best thing for the Yankees and him is to get value for him in a trade. He will probably shine for some other team.....but if we get value back it won't really matter!

three out of his 4 years as a pro have ranged from fine to excellent. Lets not get too knee jerk about him yet.
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At least Sori is a Professional hitter! I hated the fact that he was traded..but I understood, I still hope he comes back somehow.

Professional hitter? He's the streakiest sumbitch ever and I think he's hitting about .002 lifetime in the playoffs. And it's almost a definite that if you throw a slider off the outside corner, Soriano will chase it. He might be less patient than Cano and he probably strikes out at least twice as often. And we don't even need to go into how much he sucked at second base. If you want Soriano, say it's because he adds power and stolen bases. That "professional hitter" sh*t is reserved for guys who make contact consistently, have good fundamentals and are smart situational hitters. Blackhead ain't that. And he's got something like a $120M contract.

Well said
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It's never going to happen. Would be stupid.
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Oct 6 2008, 06:47 PM
It's never going to happen. Would be stupid.

It would be one lazy Dominican slob for another lazy Dominican slob. One is younger and has more upside but that upside could just be more laziness and gum snapping. But yes, you are right my British tool, it's not going to happen.
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I won't argue that Sori's numbers look better but I still hate him as much as Cano. And if we were trading Cano (which we're not), I would want it to be for somebody else, preferably an ace pitcher.

I don't disagree with that statement of parlaying any trade involving him into a pitcher......but it's just wishful thinking.

Also agree that if Cano is traded that it should be for pitching. Problem with that is that it would be Cashman making the trade and we all know how well he evaluates pitchers. So it's guarantee that we trade Cano for some over the hill washed up veteran or a young pitcher with "potential" that never amounts to anything. :clap:
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Unless they're bowled over, Cano should still be at 2B next year. And they should harrass his ass all year.
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Unless they're bowled over, Cano should still be at 2B next year.  And they should harrass his ass all year.

Right, the problem here is that Girardi and his staff are all a bunch of fake tough guys. Cano will be back next year, he'll be as lazy as ever and jackshet will continue to be done about it.
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Unless they're bowled over, Cano should still be at 2B next year. And they should harrass his ass all year.

Exactly why they should bring back Bowa if possible. He's the baddest bulldog in town. The loss of him and Zim allowed the gutlessnes to multiply and spread... :gaysmile:
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Unless they're bowled over, Cano should still be at 2B next year. And they should harrass his ass all year.

You want Cano molested?

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Exactly why they should bring back Bowa if possible. He's the baddest bulldog in town. The loss of him and Zim allowed the gutlessnes to multiply and spread...


And get Abreu's relaxed, comfortable ass the f*ck out.
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If cash plays his cards right, he might be able to trade Cano for that dynamo Hatteberg. :smirk:
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If cash plays his cards right, he might be able to trade Cano for that dynamo Hatteberg. :smirk:

Take a gander at Hatteberg's 2007 numbers. You might be onto something.
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If cash plays his cards right, he might be able to trade Cano for that dynamo Hatteberg.  :smirk:

Take a gander at Hatteberg's 2007 numbers. You might be onto something.

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