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I'm starting to believe...
Topic Started: Sep 30 2008, 09:46 PM (195 Views)
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The best thing for the Yankees might be for Mussina and Pettitte to both retire. This will force :cash: to get the two pitchers most of us seem to want.

Sabathia................. Sabathia
Wang...................... Wang
Joba...........Beats.... Joba
Burnett................... Mussina
Hughes................... Hughes


BTW, reading the papers yesterday, I got a good feeling that Joba might, in fact, start the year in the rotation. Retardi was talking about being creative and skipping him a few times to keep his innings down. That is the way to go. This guy needs to be a starter from the start next year. None of this reliever-for-a-month-and-a-half-then-starter nonsense.



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Retardi was talking about being creative and skipping him a few times to keep his innings down.


That's what the f*ck I said in March. That would've been a good idea for 2008. Then maybe they wouldn't be going into the offseason and 2009 scratching their heads and trying to devise ways. Foresight? Every year it plays out that two or more of the worthless f*cks from AAA gets a few starts, so why not make them benefit something. They can give Joba spot starts in April and then throughout the season, skip him periodically after a few consecutive starts. It ain't that hard to maximize 150 innings. Certainly not as hard as these f*cktards have made it seem.
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I'm concerned about the Jays making a hard push for Burnett...and I would completely stay away from Sheets. They MUST get CC.
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It turns out Sheets has a tear in his arm. f*ck him.
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When's the last time Sheets got through a full season without some kind of arm problem? Didn't want him anyway. And I'm not high on Burnett either. He only managed to stay completley healthy and get considerably over .500 in his contract year. Like Pavano in '03.
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Oct 1 2008, 12:50 PM
When's the last time Sheets got through a full season without some kind of arm problem? Didn't want him anyway. And I'm not high on Burnett either. He only managed to stay completley healthy and get considerably over .500 in his contract year. Like Pavano in '03.

So who the f*ck do you want them to sign, Joe the Ghost?! They have to sign two pitchers, CC is the given. The Ace. Outside of him every free agent pitcher is a risk. When you're talking about AJ Burnett, Ben Sheets, John Garland, Derek Lowe, Oliver Perez, and a cast of losers, Burnett is the obvious choice.

Unless Derek Lowe can be had for 2 years and $20m-$22m, forget him. He's coming off years of 3.61*, 3.63*, 3.88*, and 3.24* ERA's. He's going to want more than 2 years $22m!!


(Vagina League ERA's, mind you. But only fans realize this, GM's don't because they are morons.)
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I'd give Lowe 3/36. He's pitched well in the AL East earlier in his career and his groundball style of pitching you would hope would translate to either league. A rotation of CC-Wang-Joba-Lowe-Hughes/Mussina/Aceves would be pretty solid.
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I'd rather only give Lowe 2 years, he's 35 years old. If Burnett is gone and it takes 3 years and $33m-$36m for Lowe, we probably have to do it. He still throwing 89-90 with crazy movement, but his decline has to be coming soon.
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Oct 1 2008, 07:35 PM
I'd rather only give Lowe 2 years, he's 35 years old. If Burnett is gone and it takes 3 years and $33m-$36m for Lowe, we probably have to do it. He still throwing 89-90 with crazy movement, but his decline has to be coming soon.

Lowe wouldn't mean enough to a championship contender that he's worth locking up for 3 years at that money.
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Gotta give strong consideration to Oliver Perez. He's only 27 and has done well in NY (albeit in the sister league). I'm not crazy about him, but after CC, there's not much else...


Yo Vinbo, where are youu? :wtf:
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Oct 1 2008, 09:41 PM
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Oct 1 2008, 07:35 PM
I'd rather only give Lowe 2 years, he's 35 years old.  If Burnett is gone and it takes 3 years and $33m-$36m for Lowe, we probably have to do it.  He still throwing 89-90 with crazy movement, but his decline has to be coming soon.

Lowe wouldn't mean enough to a championship contender that he's worth locking up for 3 years at that money.

He just started and won Game 1 of the NLDS. He's won big games before. He's a good pitcher, $11m-$13m a year for a good #3 starter is not bad, considering we're paying Pavano that much, and paying Pettitte $16m.

Pitchers like Meche, Contreras, Garland, Maddux, Silva, Vazquez, Washburn, etc. are getting the same type of money, you are acting like it's some monster contract. 3 years $33m is a bargain for a pitcher these days.
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Perez would get destroyed in the AL East.
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I'd be willing to go after Lowe. I think for this team, he makes more sense than Burnett. I agree with Rob about not wanting him for long, but I think 2 years/$28M would look appealing to him. OD on the annual but go short. Yes, nugga, I brought back "OD." Because you know if Burnett came here, by May you'd be hearing about him going on the DL with slight elbow discomfort. And you know where it goes from there. He's too much like Pavano in 2003... I know, except he's got real stuff. But the situations are too similar. No more long-term commitment to mother f*ckers with long histories of injuries and loserdom.

Perez is a pussy. His inconsistency, lack of control and implodingnessity would be exacerbated here. He walked 105 in 194 innings, hit 11 batters and threw 9 wild pitches. Screams erratic. And he gave up 24 homers in a pitcher's park. He'd wet himself and cry after a 4 IP, 4 BB, 6 H, 7 ER game against the Red Sox in June. Because he's a timid pussy.
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Oct 1 2008, 11:30 PM
I'd be willing to go after Lowe. I think for this team, he makes more sense than Burnett. I agree with Rob about not wanting him for long, but I think 2 years/$28M would look appealing to him. OD on the annual but go short. Yes, nugga, I brought back "OD." Because you know if Burnett came here, by May you'd be hearing about him going on the DL with slight elbow discomfort. And you know where it goes from there. He's too much like Pavano in 2003... I know, except he's got real stuff. But the situations are too similar. No more long-term commitment to mother f*ckers with long histories of injuries and loserdom.

Perez is a pussy. His inconsistency, lack of control and implodingnessity would be exacerbated here. He walked 105 in 194 innings, hit 11 batters and threw 9 wild pitches. Screams erratic. And he gave up 24 homers in a pitcher's park. He'd wet himself and cry after a 4 IP, 4 BB, 6 H, 7 ER game against the Red Sox in June. Because he's a timid pussy.

I agree on Lowe. Burnett will get elbow pain as soon as he puts that pen down after signing a contract. It all doesn't matter unless CC is signed. (if he is still alive after the playoffs)

Olly Perez is a joke.

man you really said "OD" hahaha
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I don't hate the idea of Lowe, but I know we'd go at least four years on him and I want no part of that.

Perez shouldn't even be considered option. Why would any Yankee fan seriously want to even think about this guy on the team? Because he's thrown some good games against us over the last couple years. Hand any one of us who post here on this board the ball to pitch 10 games against this current group of Yankees and we could all win at least 9, that's how f*cking pathetic the Yankees have been of late. Bring Perez to the AL East and you're looking at a guy wh could easily lose 16-18 games with an ERA pushing 6, maybe even going a little over that. No way do I want them talking him.

What we should do is sign CC, obviously, and if it's for only two years, I don't mind Lowe. Then send Cano, Sour Muelky and Hughes out to LA for Billingsley and Kemp.
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His last year in Boston his ERA was significantly over 5. His first 3 years in LA, in that HUGE stadium, where the fans don't pay attention, in that weak hitting division, in the National league were all over 3.60. You really want to lock a 36-38 year old up for 11 mill a year to be your 4.5 era fifth starter? I don't think its necessary and its the kinda contract the Yankees get themselves into trouble with. If the Yankees can't get CC then he should be a maybe at best. If they do he shouldn't even be considered.

I don't like Perez either.
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Outside of CC I really don't like the pitching market that much. Lowe isn't a sure thing but neither is Burnett, Sheets or anybody else. I like Burnett but Strider is right in that he could also be an injury waiting to happen. Sheets you know is an injury waiting to happen. Lowe has that history of success in the AL East but at the same time I realize that going after him because of that is similar to Fatcesa's reasoning for why we should've traded for Brandon Arroyo during the year.

Bottomline is we have to get CC and then I'm not against shopping Cano around if it means we could land an ace type starting pitcher.
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Cash says Moose is retiring. He also says "fans, don't get hung up on one FA starter". I think that's him saying "I don't think I can deliver CC" but it might be him saying to CC "I will pay you equal to top dollar, but no more"
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