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| YankeeBaseball | Aug 28 2008, 12:39 PM Post #1 |
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Fire Cashman. He has single handedly run this organization into the ground. All this Hype and the only legit players from the minors IN 10 YEARS are Joba, Wang and Cano. Disgraceful! Enough of the Tea-Sippers. Fire Girardi and Bring Bowa or Valentine in as the manager. We need a guy who will crack the whip! Then clear out all these lazy millionaires and underachievers: Giambooob- Get out, fat slob! Pettite - Feckin Druggie Abreu - charmin soft Ivanka Rodriguez - Fuuckkkk U! Beatthemit- Sucks Muleky - Suckss Ponson - sucks Pavano - what a piece of sheeet Rasner - sucks Traber - sucks Igawa -sucks Kennedy (Trade; he will never be successful in NY) It's time to CLean House. Rebuild from the ground up. Should have had that fire sale back when we had the chance.................. :fyou: |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 28 2008, 12:43 PM Post #2 |
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I agree with most of the guys you want gone, but why do you constantly bring up a firesale when most of the players were unmovable due to no-trade protection? This offseason has always been the time when it would become realistic to cut the dead weight. |
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| YankeeBaseball | Aug 28 2008, 12:51 PM Post #3 |
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Hank Steinbrenner, in his first appearance at Yankee Stadium since Opening Day, said the Yankees would be a different team in 2009. "There is going to be a lot going on this offseason," Steinbrenner said before the Yankees were beaten 11-3 by the Red Sox. "I promise you that." :rock: |
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| I'mRickJamesBitch | Aug 28 2008, 12:55 PM Post #4 |
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Great, more talk by this clown. His dad should be embarassed. He needs to shut up and get a smart crew around his to rebuild this fallen team. |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 28 2008, 12:59 PM Post #5 |
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Thank you. Hank is a complete fool. Take Hal's quotes more seriously. He's the real Steinbrenner in charge. |
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| Strider | Aug 28 2008, 01:21 PM Post #6 |
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That wouldn't really be a house-cleaning. Even with them gone, the core of the team would be the same. And, likely, most of those guys are almost certain to be gone anyway and except for the first three listed, their precense/absence didn't/won't have much of an impact on the team. |
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| YankeeBaseball | Aug 28 2008, 01:31 PM Post #7 |
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Here's some interesting ideas I saw elsewhere: Say goodbye to Giambi. Sign Tex 7/140. Not many other choices here unless Nady or Jorge play first. Trade Cano to the Giants for John Sanchez. Then, sign Aaron Miles to play 2B. He's scrappy, decent glove and works hard. Adds a good young lefty to the rotation. Put Austin Jackson in CF. If he's not ready, get a rental for a year like Kotsay if the Sox don't resign him. Trade Kennedy or Horne, Melky and Humberto Sanchez for either Aaron Harang or Justin Duchscherer. Harang is having a down year...but is a good pitcher with a contract the Reds may/may not want to unload. Let Abreu walk, put Nady in RF. Get a REAL bench. No, Bettemit doesn't count!!! Sign AJ Burnett. Rotation: Joba, Wang, Burnett, Harang/Dusch, Sanchez - gives the Yankees a chance to win EVERY night...like when they had Wells, Cone, Roger, Andy, etc... Minors getting ready: Hughes, Horne, Aceves, Brackman, Betances - some good young arms here...let them develop instead of throw them to the fire. Bullpen: Rivera, Veras, Edwar, Marte, Melancon, Robertson, Bruney - young, cheap and a strength. Lineup: Damon LF Jeter SS Tex 1B ARod 3B Nady RF Matsui DH Posada C Jackson CF Miles 2B Now, I realize that this isn't the typical sign CC, Sheets, Tex, Dunn, Burrell, Burnett and Reggie Jackson that some would like....but this COULD be a way to fix some problem areas (mainly the rotation) without crazy overspending. Never know. |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 28 2008, 02:06 PM Post #8 |
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I'd give Cano at least one or two more seasons before giving up on him. |
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| Strider | Aug 28 2008, 02:54 PM Post #9 |
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Ain't diggin' it.
Sanchez turns 26 this year and has a 4.92 ERA in 84 games (32 starts) in the National League, in the National League West, in a big-ass ballpark, for a shitty team in a pressure-free environment. I think Cano's potential, which, unlike Sanchez, he's actually shown on the big-league level, trumps Sanchez.
I've never watched him play, but his numbers don't jump out and scream "star" to me. But, obviously, I've never watched him play. Maybe it's just a hunch (really, it's probably because he's black and looks like a Josh Howard-type country coon), but I don't think he'll be that good. In fact, I'm gonna go on record and call him a bust. Hold me to that.
Does anyone value Kennedy and the bunch as much as the Yankees do (if they really do)? Horne is about 25, doesn't have spectacular stuff, is dealing with injuries and isn't putting up great numbers in the minors. Melky... Is Sanchez even playing yet? Isn't he coming off the slowest-recovering Tommy John surgery ever? And you're going to trust Aaron Harang? The guy's good years were high 3's ERAs in the NL. And he's probably got some kind of injury this year. The walk ratio is about the same, but his hits for IP are way up and his strikeouts are way down. I want no part of a pitcher who's 4-13 with a 5.35 ERA and has never been a mattering component of a team that mattered. If you're thinking about turning the Yankees around and being for real in 2009, you don't even look at him. I don't think that package could land Worcestershire. The A's, if they do trade him, will swindle some team out of something useful. Besides, I'm wary of pitchers who, at 30, suddenly become starters and suddenly become good. The odds say he's bound to suck mightily next season.
That has tremendous blow-up-in-their-faces potential. I know he's hot sh*t on this board, but the guy's ERA is 4.58 (above league average). That, to me, almost negates the 16-9 record. He doesn't deserve that record. And it's the first time in his injury-prone, disappointing career that he's been more than 3 wins over .500. Love his talent but can't trust him.
That lineup would have a lot of potential to suck. Teixeira's addition wouldn't be special beause, at best, he gives them comparable production to what they got from Sheffield. It's an addition, but not something that puts you over the top or is the difference between crap offense and dominant. Also, the bottom 4 not only has potential, but would likely be infuriatingly shitty and inconsistent.
I'd say with that lineup and that staff, they'd win about 85 games. |
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| YankeeBaseball | Aug 28 2008, 03:08 PM Post #10 |
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Give me some ideas of what you'd do Stryder? Is there any way(s) to fix this mess????????? :peace: |
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| Yanksfan03 | Aug 28 2008, 03:11 PM Post #11 |
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Seriously, just two weeks ago he was declaring "we'll be back next year the injuries cost us this season." That is not Steinbrenner talk and certainly isn't a message you want to be sending to the fans. |
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| Yanksfan03 | Aug 28 2008, 03:11 PM Post #12 |
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If they can get a top of the line pitcher for Cano this offseason they should go for it, otherwise, I agree he gets one more year. |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 28 2008, 03:25 PM Post #13 |
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I basically agree with Strider all around, but will obviously hope that Action Jackson is the real deal. |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 28 2008, 03:26 PM Post #14 |
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Right, I would think about it for a top flight pitcher, and I mean a real ace, but not for Jonathan Sanchez. No way. |
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| Strider | Aug 28 2008, 03:30 PM Post #15 |
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I don't have a detailed plan. I haven't given too much thought to it. What I would do for sure is push hard for Sabathia. I'm not sold on his holding up the length of the contract or if he's got the attitude for New York, but he's the best out there and he's 28. Barring unforeseen injury, I'd think you could count on five very good to dominant seasons from him. Being able to go into a season and say, "This guy here, I know he's gonna be one of the top Cy Young contenders" goes a long way. He'd relieve some pressure and take some status away from Wang and Joba, letting them do their things behind him. Wang's 17-19 wins look even better as the #2. Joba's development is eased. And you don't require as much out of the 4-5. You could have Mussina or Pettitte or Mussina and Pettitte back there. Or you could sign someone to fill one (Sheets, if you're daring and bold?) and slot Hughes at 5th. Options. I'd also go after Ramirez. I'd DH him so his silly bullshit in the outfield isn't a factor. I'd try to sign him for 3 years and annual dollar total be damned. I'd be willing to 3 years, $75M. Since they've got a shitload coming off the books, the amount per year doesn't matter so much, so long as you avoid getting strapped to a long deal that'd carry Manny into his 40s (like the A-Rod and Posada deals, which I have no doubt will f*ck them). I think Manny over the next 3 seasons is a worthwhile investment. He's got experience in the AL, in the AL East, he's experienced the crucible that is a major media market (although I think it's bullshit because the New York media, for the most part, is soft - it's just in tough in comparison to the pusillanimous pussydom in other regions), he's playoff and pressure tested and playoff and pressure proven. Since they're tied to A-Rod, I think they need another bopper who can take pressure off him and at least help compensate for him sometimes when he flails and fails in the clutch. I didn't want Abreu back, so obviously he's not in my plans. Nady is the RFer. I wouldn't wanna break bank for Teixeira (signing him for more than Giambi got doesn't sit well with me), but I wouldn't be upset about them getting him. But if enoguh other changes are made, I think they could live with a good-fielding first baseman who isn't a great hitter. Or bring up that kid Eric Duncan. I heard he was can't-miss. |
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| Grandy4MVP | Aug 28 2008, 04:17 PM Post #16 |
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The firesale comment was ridiculous. First off you couldn't trade many of the guys you wanted to. Secondly this team was right with the Sox after a Saturday afternoon in Fenway when we won our 8th in a row. It's unfortunately been all down hill since but you can't just start selling when you are within a game of the playoffs. That would be complete silliness. Once again that is all moot though as a lot of our guys weren't moveable. |
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