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They're done...; ...this is how you declare a season over
Topic Started: Aug 27 2008, 01:05 PM (248 Views)
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Okay, half-wits. You've all done this before, way too early in the season. Now, here's a lesson in declaring a season over before Labor Day.

The 2008 Yankees are finished. Done. Over. Shot. Dead.

Last night was all the evidence you'll ever need to know it's true. Trailing by 5 games with 32 to play, with their best starter of the last decade on the mound, facing a Red Sox team without Josh Beckett and with a AAA lineup from 6-9, the Yankees needed a win.

And they lost. Again. Nothing in the clutch, and we all know A-Rod killed them.

0-5, 2 K's, 2 DP's, 7 LOB

What a pathetic display. I was at the game with Mattingly23, and we both knew he'd come up as the tying run in the 7th. I believe my exact words were, "if ever there was one at bat to possible save a season, this is it."

And he killed the rally and the season in one swing.

Pettitte was horrendous, too. Every time the Yanks took the lead, he flushed it the next half-inning.

So it's been fun. Playoff baseball every year since my junior year in HS through my 28th birthday. But it's over now.
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Are you trying to say that Yanks473 declaring each of the seasons since 2002 over after a "bad" April loss was slightly premature?

Playoff baseball every year since my junior year of college through my 32nd birthday was fun too. It's officially wait til 2009 time.

I'd love for them to prove me wrong, but I've seen no signs of life.

Stick a fork in them, they're done.

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Second grade through sophomore year in college :-|
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it was bound to happen, I just hope this season is rock bottom for this team and we only get better from here. :peace:
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Aug 27 2008, 12:19 PM
Second grade through sophomore year in college :-|

:rock: :rock: :rock:
.Same here brotha
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Last time I went a baseball season and the Yankees were not playing October baseball along with everyone else I was a month into my 8th grade school year.
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Oh yeah, I do disagree. If we lose tonight I will at that time "officially" declare the season over, not one of those irrational spur of the moment frustration "it's over" posts. If they win the next two games they leave here 4 games out and with a month left I can't say it's over. The season rests on Ponson and then Mussina and of course our putrid lineup led by the biggest tool of all, A Rod. He left a small country on base last nite.

* I must add and edit this post that I fully expect the season to be over at the end of the night. So I guess I might as well give up now, but I'm going to watch tonight and just do it with blind hope.
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I'll watch until the end of the season, even after they're eliminated. If I watch Knicks games, I'm not giving up on watching the Yankees.
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Aug 27 2008, 04:43 PM
I'll watch until the end of the season, even after they're eliminated. If I watch Knicks games, I'm not giving up on watching the Yankees.

I will watch but not every single inning like I do now. I will watch every inning of Moose in hopes that he can get to 20. If Joba pitches again I will watch. I will not let my life and schedule revolve around them.
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Aug 27 2008, 03:52 PM
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Aug 27 2008, 04:43 PM
I'll watch until the end of the season, even after they're eliminated.  If I watch Knicks games, I'm not giving up on watching the Yankees.

I will watch but not every single inning like I do now. I will watch every inning of Moose in hopes that he can get to 20. If Joba pitches again I will watch. I will not let my life and schedule revolve around them.

Its NFL Season. :rock:
f*ck The Yankees.

Go Broncos
Go Jets

U DIGG??? :bag: :blahblah: :furious2: :furious2: :rock: :rock:
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YOGI SAYS IT'S OVER.....Tell Matsui to sit and get that knee operation and bring up all the younger guys. Our whole outfield needs to be revamped.
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Aug 27 2008, 04:36 PM
Oh yeah, I do disagree. If we lose tonight I will at that time "officially" declare the season over, not one of those irrational spur of the moment frustration "it's over" posts. If they win the next two games they leave here 4 games out and with a month left I can't say it's over. The season rests on Ponson and then Mussina and of course our putrid lineup led by the biggest tool of all, A Rod. He left a small country on base last nite.

* I must add and edit this post that I fully expect the season to be over at the end of the night. So I guess I might as well give up now, but I'm going to watch tonight and just do it with blind hope.

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Aug 27 2008, 03:52 PM
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Aug 27 2008, 04:43 PM
I'll watch until the end of the season, even after they're eliminated.  If I watch Knicks games, I'm not giving up on watching the Yankees.

I will watch but not every single inning like I do now. I will watch every inning of Moose in hopes that he can get to 20. If Joba pitches again I will watch. I will not let my life and schedule revolve around them.

I think they should shut Joba down. Why risk anything for this meaningless season. Get him ready as a starter in spring training next year. f*ck it.
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Hughes needs to be called up. The more experience he gets, the better. This idea that they are going to leave him in AAA is silly. He has nothing to prove down there. He's not going to gain 3 MPH on his fastball pitching in AAA. His average curve isn't going to magically turn great in AAA.

See if he can adjust to the bigs and at least be a decent #4 or #5 starter. He's obviously not going to be the ace Matt23 blindly predicted. But at least see if he can be decent. :peace:
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Welcome to late 80's/early 90's Yankee baseball kids. Overpriced, useless veterans and hopeless prospects. We need a Stick Michael type to rescue this organization.
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Cashman really screwed this organization. All the hype, all the hope, and all we got is Joba. 1 guy that's come through. Amazing.

:cashman:
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Aug 27 2008, 10:43 PM
Cashman really screwed this organization.  All the hype, all the hope, and all we got is Joba.  1 guy that's come through.  Amazing.

:cashman:

If you listen to the HHM, Cashman has done much more than just get us Joba. I haven't seen anything else yet, but whatever.
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Aug 27 2008, 11:31 PM
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Aug 27 2008, 10:43 PM
Cashman really screwed this organization.  All the hype, all the hope, and all we got is Joba.  1 guy that's come through.  Amazing.

:cashman:

If you listen to the HHM, Cashman has done much more than just get us Joba. I haven't seen anything else yet, but whatever.

Yeah, the great Andrew Brackman! Dellin Betances! Ian Kennedy! Mark Melancon! Humberto Sanchez! Phil Hughes! Dan McCutchen! Kevin Whelan! Jeff Marquez! Alan Horne! David Robertson! JB Cox!

They all suck. They are all cock. Garbage. Junk. Nothings. Over-hyped piles of garbage. If one of those pitcher, ONE, turns out to be pretty good. I will be thrilled. As of now they all suck. Whether it's injuries, or just flat out sucking, they can go to hell.
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I can picture Rob yelling all of that in his high voice and silly, unexplained accent!
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Welcome to the 80's early 90's my friends....overpaid pieces of shet litter this lineup! It's time to CLEAN HOUSE! I do not want to see:

Abreu( what a gutless cu*t)
Pettitte
Melky
Giambi
Betemit
Pudge
Ponson(just cause he sucks)
Pavano
Ever again on the field for the Yankees!

Jeter
Cano
Posada
Matsui
Damon
Better get their sh*t together!

A Rod is a pariah.....unfortunately we are stuck with his gutlessness and lack of pride...so lets see this team surround his azz with some players WHO PRODUCE when it counts!

Lets hope for Sabathia, Wang, Joba as our top 3, bring in Manny if its a reasonable deal for 2-3 seasons, try for Texiera but I have my doubts and I won't be totally sick in the offseason from this bunch of overpaid worthless whores and their soft season!
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Aug 27 2008, 09:15 PM
Hughes needs to be called up. The more experience he gets, the better. This idea that they are going to leave him in AAA is silly. He has nothing to prove down there. He's not going to gain 3 MPH on his fastball pitching in AAA. His average curve isn't going to magically turn great in AAA.

See if he can adjust to the bigs and at least be a decent #4 or #5 starter. He's obviously not going to be the ace Matt23 blindly predicted. But at least see if he can be decent. :peace:

That's a good idea. With no pressure see what he can do. I don't want no more experiementation at the beginning of the season. And that means Cano too. If he can't play in cold weather, send up someone who can until he's ready.
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Aug 27 2008, 09:34 PM
Welcome to late 80's/early 90's Yankee baseball kids. Overpriced, useless veterans and hopeless prospects. We need a Stick Michael type to rescue this organization.

Gee, if only someone had mentioned that 5 years ago.

Oh, wait...
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Aug 28 2008, 12:28 PM
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Aug 27 2008, 09:34 PM
Welcome to late 80's/early 90's Yankee baseball kids. Overpriced, useless veterans and hopeless prospects. We need a Stick Michael type to rescue this organization.

Gee, if only someone had mentioned that 5 years ago.

Oh, wait...

Actually, in addition to us, he did say it. He's the old BringBackCadaret and grew up with the same BS as we did.

The funny part is you and I warned it was getting like the 1980s several seasons back, but I'm constantly called a sunshiner because I defend certain players' careers when hyperbole is used to knock their current play.

When I said the 1980s were coming back, I meant it more in regards to the mid 1980s, not the late 1980s and early 1990s Cadaret brought up (those years were way more dreadful). You know, winning 85-95 games, but not getting to the playoffs. Making the ALDS every year and being dominated is basically the equivalent of the teams in the 1980s which won as many as 97 games, but didn't make the playoffs because of the large divisions and no Wild Card.

Of course fans younger than us, including Rob, who now thinks he is Mr. VC, but was the biggest sunshiner on these boards (loved every acquisition when we knocked them), knocked us and thought we meant the late 1980s, not realizing how successful the Yankees were at winning regular season games through most of that decade.
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Aug 27 2008, 10:34 PM
Welcome to late 80's/early 90's Yankee baseball kids. Overpriced, useless veterans and hopeless prospects. We need a Stick Michael type to rescue this organization.

It's been like that for a while. All them missing the playoffs does is stick a label on it that says, "Overpaid, overrated, over-the-hill underachieving crap." But anyone who's been paying attention could smell the sh*t and didn't need a "It stinks here" sign. So when I threw in my, "They're done" in May 2005, I meant for that season and the seasons after. I did it fully expecting them to make the playoffs every year in the foreeable future. But, as I've said many times, making the playoffs means absolutely nothing to me. They've been done for quite some time. And the moves they made (and didn't make) this offseason just reinforced my belief. This season, if they do miss out, is just the town crier informing the oblivious that the pillagers, who could've been heard from miles away, are burning down the village. Or maybe I'm just a pessimistic douche who quit on his team way too early.

And I don't think this is all that similar to the 80s. I don't know the details of the 80s problems (anything I didn't watch and can't recall doesn't matter to me), but I've heard that it was a series of imprudent signings, itchy-finger trades and a reluctance to develop players.

The bulk of the current payroll is tied into players who I'm sure most people weren't opposed to acquiring or keeping. Jeter, A-Rod, Pettitte, Mariano, Posada and Mussina alone account for $94 million this season; Cano and Wang's salaries - two more contracts I don't think anyone was against - put that core group over the $100-million mark. Was there protest about those signings? I could throw in Giambi, Matsui, Damon and Abreu ($65.4 million), but I don't know if the support was unanimous for those. I think most people were for the Giambi signing in 2001; Matsui's three-year extension was OK when it happened; some were against giving Damon four years, but I don't remember anybody being vehement about not getting him; I don't remember too well, and maybe there was a split, but I think most people here were for picking up Abreu's option. Well, the payroll is exorbitant, for the most part, because of those players. The last rash, hot-headed trade I can remember was the Raul Mondesi. It hasn't happened that often and the players who were acquired via bad trades - which is subjective - aren't here anymore (unless you're counting Betemit for Proctor). You could consider the Nady & Marte and I-Rod deals, but those were needed at the time and don't handcuff them to torturous contracts. And this regime, at least in recent history, has been more than willing to develop "the farm." In fact, I think they're been examples of them being too trusting of their minor-leaugers. But that's something they've been praised for here.

I also don't see the purpose in bringing up the 80s to younger fans, as if it's a reminder of how good they have it and how the older folks were hardened by hard times. It's tantamount to "We walked 14 miles with no shoes in 14-foot snow to get to school" stories. That's how sports goes. It's a rollercoaster for franchises (except the ones that have, do and are destined to suck forever). The people who saw the 80s could have older people bring up the early 70s or the late 60s. When the team reascends, a kid who's 15 now could blah-blah to some youngsters about the early '00s. And, shield the children, but the Yankees will at some point be a shitty team. Whether it be new ownership, New York's financial landscape changing drastically (improbable but possible; the Arabs are working on it) or two decade's worth of f*ckuppery and bad luck, they'll suck like the Pirates at some point. The people who are around for that could bring it up to the next generation when the good times come back around. But it's not a badge of honor. And the tales of the 80s or 60s or early 1900s shouldn't be used as a warning or told like scary stories on a camping trip.
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Aug 28 2008, 02:29 PM
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Aug 27 2008, 10:34 PM
Welcome to late 80's/early 90's Yankee baseball kids. Overpriced, useless veterans and hopeless prospects. We need a Stick Michael type to rescue this organization.

It's been like that for a while. All them missing the playoffs does is stick a label on it that says, "Overpaid, overrated, over-the-hill underachieving crap." But anyone who's been paying attention could smell the sh*t and didn't need a "It stinks here" sign. So when I threw in my, "They're done" in May 2005, I meant for that season and the seasons after. I did it fully expecting them to make the playoffs every year in the foreeable future. But, as I've said many times, making the playoffs means absolutely nothing to me. They've been done for quite some time. And the moves they made (and didn't make) this offseason just reinforced my belief. This season, if they do miss out, is just the town crier informing the oblivious that the pillagers, who could've been heard from miles away, are burning down the village. Or maybe I'm just a pessimistic douche who quit on his team way too early.

And I don't think this is all that similar to the 80s. I don't know the details of the 80s problems (anything I didn't watch and can't recall doesn't matter to me), but I've heard that it was a series of imprudent signings, itchy-finger trades and a reluctance to develop players.

The bulk of the current payroll is tied into players who I'm sure most people weren't opposed to acquiring or keeping. Jeter, A-Rod, Pettitte, Mariano, Posada and Mussina alone account for $94 million this season; Cano and Wang's salaries - two more contracts I don't think anyone was against - put that core group over the $100-million mark. Was there protest about those signings? I could throw in Giambi, Matsui, Damon and Abreu ($65.4 million), but I don't know if the support was unanimous for those. I think most people were for the Giambi signing in 2001; Matsui's three-year extension was OK when it happened; some were against giving Damon four years, but I don't remember anybody being vehement about not getting him; I don't remember too well, and maybe there was a split, but I think most people here were for picking up Abreu's option. Well, the payroll is exorbitant, for the most part, because of those players. The last rash, hot-headed trade I can remember was the Raul Mondesi. It hasn't happened that often and the players who were acquired via bad trades - which is subjective - aren't here anymore (unless you're counting Betemit for Proctor). You could consider the Nady & Marte and I-Rod deals, but those were needed at the time and don't handcuff them to torturous contracts. And this regime, at least in recent history, has been more than willing to develop "the farm." In fact, I think they're been examples of them being too trusting of their minor-leaugers. But that's something they've been praised for here.

I also don't see the purpose in bringing up the 80s to younger fans, as if it's a reminder of how good they have it and how the older folks were hardened by hard times. It's tantamount to "We walked 14 miles with no shoes in 14-foot snow to get to school" stories. That's how sports goes. It's a rollercoaster for franchises (except the ones that have, do and are destined to suck forever). The people who saw the 80s could have older people bring up the early 70s or the late 60s. When the team reascends, a kid who's 15 now could blah-blah to some youngsters about the early '00s. And, shield the children, but the Yankees will at some point be a shitty team. Whether it be new ownership, New York's financial landscape changing drastically (improbable but possible; the Arabs are working on it) or two decade's worth of f*ckuppery and bad luck, they'll suck like the Pirates at some point. The people who are around for that could bring it up to the next generation when the good times come back around. But it's not a badge of honor. And the tales of the 80s or 60s or early 1900s shouldn't be used as a warning or told like scary stories on a camping trip.

Classic! :rock:
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