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I could live with this lineup heading into '09
Topic Started: Aug 18 2008, 04:44 PM (150 Views)
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LF Damon
SS Jeter
3B Rodriguez
1B Teixeira
DH Matsui
RF Nady
C Posada
CF Cameron
2B Cano

Cameron's K's would drive me crazy but he still has alot of pop (on pace for 30 HR's in 450 AB's) and would play a very good centerfield. He has one year left on his contract and I think we would be able to get him from Milwaukee for a reasonable price.

I don't care what Teixeira wants, give it to him. It's about time to get a bonafide legit 1B in here.

Have Damon and Matsui split time between LF and DH to keep them healthy. Ideally you dump Matsui and replace him with Dunn but if his price tag is as enormous as the rumors are saying he's going to demand he may not be worth it.

CC Sabbathia
Chien Ming Wang
Joba Chamberlin
Andy Pettite
Phil Hughes

Sabbathia has to be the priority. He bumps everyone down a slot and if healthy that's a very solid rotation. I also wouldn't mind brining back Ponson as he's been suprisingly very good.

For the bullpen I would keep doing what they've been doing with the hope that guys like Humberto Sanchez, JB Cox, Mark Meloncon etc make an impact and either push guys like Ramirez and Veras or make them expendable. As bad as he's been I'd still buyout Marte with the idea of bringing him back for less then 6 million. Brian Fuentes is a free agent and would be a big pickup giving us that "two closer" situation we had with Gordon.

Bringing back Molina is a must to backup Posada. Posada is going to have to get some time at DH (ideally against lefties so you could sit Damon or Matsui) so Molina is the guy you want behind the plate in those cases. I've always been a fan of having a guy like Corey Patterson who is an excellent defensive outfielder on the bench but Gardner/Melky can be an adequate 4th outfielder if the rest of the team is solid. Wes Helms could be a free agent and would be an ideal backup at 1B/3B. I'm not sure Mark Loretta would come on as a backup as his # of ABs would be low but he'd be a great addition to the bench. Either way I want Betemit gone and more of a fielding middle infielder like Adam Everett brought in to back up 2B and SS.
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At this point I'd rather have Moose in the rotation as opposed to Pettitte.

Other then that can live with everything else. We need a stop gap CFer till Jackson is ready, Cameron wouldn't be bad.
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I think that lineup would be about as productive as the current one.
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Aug 18 2008, 05:25 PM
I think that lineup would be about as productive as the current one.

I think the main thing I try to change in that lineup is trading Matsui and signing Manny Ramirez.
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Aug 18 2008, 04:44 PM
LF Damon
SS Jeter
3B Rodriguez
1B Teixeira
DH Matsui
RF Nady
C Posada
CF Cameron
2B Cano

Cameron's K's would drive me crazy but he still has alot of pop (on pace for 30 HR's in 450 AB's) and would play a very good centerfield. He has one year left on his contract and I think we would be able to get him from Milwaukee for a reasonable price.

I don't care what Teixeira wants, give it to him. It's about time to get a bonafide legit 1B in here.

Have Damon and Matsui split time between LF and DH to keep them healthy. Ideally you dump Matsui and replace him with Dunn but if his price tag is as enormous as the rumors are saying he's going to demand he may not be worth it.

CC Sabbathia
Chien Ming Wang
Joba Chamberlin
Andy Pettite
Phil Hughes

Sabbathia has to be the priority. He bumps everyone down a slot and if healthy that's a very solid rotation. I also wouldn't mind brining back Ponson as he's been suprisingly very good.

For the bullpen I would keep doing what they've been doing with the hope that guys like Humberto Sanchez, JB Cox, Mark Meloncon etc make an impact and either push guys like Ramirez and Veras or make them expendable. As bad as he's been I'd still buyout Marte with the idea of bringing him back for less then 6 million. Brian Fuentes is a free agent and would be a big pickup giving us that "two closer" situation we had with Gordon.

Bringing back Molina is a must to backup Posada. Posada is going to have to get some time at DH (ideally against lefties so you could sit Damon or Matsui) so Molina is the guy you want behind the plate in those cases. I've always been a fan of having a guy like Corey Patterson who is an excellent defensive outfielder on the bench but Gardner/Melky can be an adequate 4th outfielder if the rest of the team is solid. Wes Helms could be a free agent and would be an ideal backup at 1B/3B. I'm not sure Mark Loretta would come on as a backup as his # of ABs would be low but he'd be a great addition to the bench. Either way I want Betemit gone and more of a fielding middle infielder like Adam Everett brought in to back up 2B and SS.

I'M LIKING WHAT YOU SAY, moOOO, but get me a second quality starter to make up for missing Santana. Sabathia & Sheets/Burnett and Texiera and Cameron/Bradley :rock:


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I don't want to hear about a '09 lineup that doesn't have Manny in it.
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Aug 18 2008, 05:39 PM
I don't want to hear about a '09 lineup that doesn't have Manny in it.

Exactly!!!!
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Agreed. 3yr 75mil. :peace:
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I don't care what Teixeira wants, give it to him. It's about time to get a bonafide legit 1B in here.


Do you consider him a superstar? But you're willing to pay him superstar money.

When people say, "How come so much sh*t is wrong with this team? I mean, look at the payroll. How can you blow $205M and still not have ___ and ___ or ___ not doing ___." Your post is the answer to that question. They've got too much money tied into players whose level of play doesn't warrant it. And it's not so much the annual figure that I care about, but the long-term tie-down. I wouldn't be surprised if Boras' salvo in the Teixeira negotiations is 8 years/$160 million. I wouldn't be surprised if some team(s) would lace up and play ball with that. But I don't want the Yankees to be one of them. Maybe I missed that seminar and didn't see the note on the yellow sticky paper, but since when is .285/35 homers worth that much? I think people get too fixated on getting a certain amount of production from a position; like you can't do without your first baseman being one of your three best hitters. But isn't production production? I think Manny Ramirez would be a much smarter investment than Teixeira. I'd be all for the Yankees overpaying on the annual to lure him into a short-term (3-year) deal. Is Manny not a better offensive player than Teixeira? If he's your DH, you can afford to get average or less-than production out of first. And a three-year deal doesn't have you at the tail end thinking, "Aww, damn. I wish we could upgrade here, but we're stuck with this motherf*cker." You said it about Giambi. You'll be saying it about Posada. Some of you have already started saying it about Jeter. And my bet would be that, when he's got about five years left on his deal, it'll be said about A-Rod. You want more of that?

This organization needs to stop overpaying for not great. Teixeira is not Albert Pujols (who signed for about $114M, by the way). He's a good player, but he's not an anchor. He's not what turns a team around (the Braves know that now).
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Aug 18 2008, 05:49 PM
Agreed. 3yr 75mil. :peace:

No dought.
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Aug 18 2008, 05:56 PM
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I don't care what Teixeira wants, give it to him. It's about time to get a bonafide legit 1B in here.


Do you consider him a superstar? But you're willing to pay him superstar money.

When people say, "How come so much sh*t is wrong with this team? I mean, look at the payroll. How can you blow $205M and still not have ___ and ___ or ___ not doing ___." Your post is the answer to that question. They've got too much money tied into players whose level of play doesn't warrant it. And it's not so much the annual figure that I care about, but the long-term tie-down. I wouldn't be surprised if Boras' salvo in the Teixeira negotiations is 8 years/$160 million. I wouldn't be surprised if some team(s) would lace up and play ball with that. But I don't want the Yankees to be one of them. Maybe I missed that seminar and didn't see the note on the yellow sticky paper, but since when is .285/35 homers worth that much? I think people get too fixated on getting a certain amount of production from a position; like you can't do without your first baseman being one of your three best hitters. But isn't production production? I think Manny Ramirez would be a much smarter investment than Teixeira. I'd be all for the Yankees overpaying on the annual to lure him into a short-term (3-year) deal. Is Manny not a better offensive player than Teixeira? If he's your DH, you can afford to get average or less-than production out of first. And a three-year deal doesn't have you at the tail end thinking, "Aww, damn. I wish we could upgrade here, but we're stuck with this motherf*cker." You said it about Giambi. You'll be saying it about Posada. Some of you have already started saying it about Jeter. And my bet would be that, when he's got about five years left on his deal, it'll be said about A-Rod. You want more of that?

This organization needs to stop overpaying for not great. Teixeira is not Albert Pujols (who signed for about $114M, by the way). He's a good player, but he's not an anchor. He's not what turns a team around (the Braves know that now).

The voice of total 100% reason. I hereby nominate StriderrrrrrrrrNiger for VP of the VC and President of the Colt45 USA in one fell swoop............ :rock:
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Aug 18 2008, 04:56 PM
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I don't care what Teixeira wants, give it to him. It's about time to get a bonafide legit 1B in here.


Do you consider him a superstar? But you're willing to pay him superstar money.

When people say, "How come so much sh*t is wrong with this team? I mean, look at the payroll. How can you blow $205M and still not have ___ and ___ or ___ not doing ___." Your post is the answer to that question. They've got too much money tied into players whose level of play doesn't warrant it. And it's not so much the annual figure that I care about, but the long-term tie-down. I wouldn't be surprised if Boras' salvo in the Teixeira negotiations is 8 years/$160 million. I wouldn't be surprised if some team(s) would lace up and play ball with that. But I don't want the Yankees to be one of them. Maybe I missed that seminar and didn't see the note on the yellow sticky paper, but since when is .285/35 homers worth that much? I think people get too fixated on getting a certain amount of production from a position; like you can't do without your first baseman being one of your three best hitters. But isn't production production? I think Manny Ramirez would be a much smarter investment than Teixeira. I'd be all for the Yankees overpaying on the annual to lure him into a short-term (3-year) deal. Is Manny not a better offensive player than Teixeira? If he's your DH, you can afford to get average or less-than production out of first. And a three-year deal doesn't have you at the tail end thinking, "Aww, damn. I wish we could upgrade here, but we're stuck with this motherf*cker." You said it about Giambi. You'll be saying it about Posada. Some of you have already started saying it about Jeter. And my bet would be that, when he's got about five years left on his deal, it'll be said about A-Rod. You want more of that?

This organization needs to stop overpaying for not great. Teixeira is not Albert Pujols (who signed for about $114M, by the way). He's a good player, but he's not an anchor. He's not what turns a team around (the Braves know that now).

I see where you're coming from and agree to a point. But first thing is Puljos got his contract back in '04 and signed an extension to avoid arbitration. You can't judge salaries given now to those 5 years ago. Bottom line is the guy will give you .285 30 100+ .400 with Gold Glove defense.

It's a toss up and ideally you get both but I think it's a good debate. Tex at lets say 8/135 or Manny 3/75.
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I'd rather sign Manny, trade Matsui, and go for a Gold Glove type 1B.
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I see where you're coming from and agree to a point. But first thing is Puljos got his contract back in '04 and signed an extension to avoid arbitration. You can't judge salaries given now to those 5 years ago. Bottom line is the guy will give you .285 30 100+ .400 with Gold Glove defense.

It's a toss up and ideally you get both but I think it's a good debate. Tex at lets say 8/135 or Manny 3/75.


It's true about the market going back to the way it was in the early '00s. The Carlos Lee and Soriano contracts got it going. But I'd rather the Yankees avoid that. At least not for players who don't have that great an impact. I'd be willing to ante up for Sabathia (I think he's a risk and he wouldn't have been my first choice - would've dealt for Santana - but it is what it is) because it puts a guy who's won a Cy Young and is a perennial contender for the award at the front of the rotation; a guy who can take pressure off Wang and Joba and have months of pure dominance where he compensates for the team's slumping or general deficiencies. I'd outbid other teams on the annual dollar amount for Manny, because he's a guy who can carry an offense for stretches, protect A-Rod in the lineup, be a consistent force/threat, and we know he hits well in Yankee Stadium and he's postseason proven. Those guys are difference makers. Teixeira is one of those players who blends in and does his thing quietly. If he's the best player on a team, that team probably sucks. I'm not saying I wouldn't take him. But I wouldn't overdo it or get him at the expense of someone else. If the Yankees wanna use up the money coming off and make a run at Sabathia, Sheets, Ramirez and Teixeira, I'd like that.
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Wouldn't get any arguements from me if they went after those 4 guys. I'm not oppossed to Manny for any reason whatsoever. He'd immediately fill a need in the middle of the order, you'd have two of the best right handed hitters of all time hitting back to back and we'd be able to stick it to Boston even more. With that said if we're going to spend a boatload of money anyway, Teixeira makes sense much like Giambi did after '01. We have a hole at 1B, he'd fill it and I don't see any better options for first on the horizon.
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Interesting thread. I think the priority is CC and another SP upgrade. Bring Moose back if he'll take one year - he'll have half an eye on 300 now though so might not take it. Ditch HGH man and if we still have Ponson next year that will be because we didn't pay enough attention to the rotation when we should have.

Oh, and we have to get Manny, but don't overpay in years.
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