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Hughes Sucked Today
Topic Started: Aug 17 2008, 09:24 PM (376 Views)
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Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Hughes 3.2 8 5 5 0 4 1 5.27

Melky working 4 BB from the leadoff spot is a real joke. Really makes me want to disregard all minor league stats. That guy flinches at high fastballs on 2-0, 3-0 counts with us, and he's down there working walks.

I like that Duncan is still down there getting ABs. I know he has been a bust and all, but sometimes those type of prospects have a resurgance. As long as he's not hindering a spot for someone else, why not let him play down there
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Maybe I'm just naive, but I don't see what right Minnesota had to ask for what they did from us. I mean, we had already established Hughes a little in the bigs and he faired decently, including post-season. I would have done a Wang and lower guys for Santana, since Wang is a few years in to arbitration years, but I can't see how they could have wanted Hughes and more prospects.
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Pavano threw 6 IP today giving up a run and K'd 6 batters. It's between him and Hughes for next Sunday against Baltimore, should be interesting to see what disaster they choose.
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Aug 17 2008, 09:33 PM
Maybe I'm just naive, but I don't see what right Minnesota had to ask for what they did from us. I mean, we had already established Hughes a little in the bigs and he faired decently, including post-season. I would have done a Wang and lower guys for Santana, since Wang is a few years in to arbitration years, but I can't see how they could have wanted Hughes and more prospects.

Any team has the right to ask for anything they want in a deal just as any team can say no to those demands, as Cashman did. Stop with this "so and so doesn't have a right" to do whatever crap you pull all the time.
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Aug 17 2008, 08:35 PM
Pavano threw 6 IP today giving up a run and K'd 6 batters. It's between him and Hughes for next Sunday against Baltimore, should be interesting to see what disaster they choose.

Let Wang pitch in or out of the cast. Might as well not even use up Hughes this year. Shut him down
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I didn't want them to give up Hughes either, but it would've been tough for me to complain about it.
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Aug 17 2008, 09:37 PM
I didn't want them to give up Hughes either, but it would've been tough for me to complain about it.

I wanted no part of Hughes being dealt to the Twins, but they certainly had the right to ask for him.
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Aug 17 2008, 08:37 PM
I didn't want them to give up Hughes either, but it would've been tough for me to complain about it.

Maybe I've hung around Homie's posts too much, because I would have felt bittersweet about a Hughes and prospects for Santana offer. I usually don't give a sh*t about rookies, since more times than not they are failures. Look around at top pitching prospects. I think of guys like Edwin Jackson on Tampa,, who was getting the Hughes hype only a few years ago, Gavin Floyd, and other forgetables. But I wasn't in support of giving them Hughes, especially after what crap they took from the Mets. Just like when the Red Sox got Beckett without giving up Papelbon or Lester, I was in shock the Mets didn't even have to give up Pelfrey(and now he's pitching well of course)
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Aug 17 2008, 09:40 PM
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Aug 17 2008, 09:37 PM
I didn't want them to give up Hughes either, but it would've been tough for me to complain about it.

I wanted no part of Hughes being dealt to the Twins, but they certainly had the right to ask for him.

Agreed, any deal for a pitcher like Santana is going to start with one of your best prospects, and at the time behind Joba Hughes was the one. I didn't want to deal him either, and I'm still glad that we didn't. Phyliss has pissed me off, but I haven't given up on him yet.
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I think everyone should be steeming mad about what the Twins took. They acted like they were in a position of strength, asking for Hughes, when his value was as high as it could get, and all sorts of ridiculous packages. Then, they go and take sh*t from the Mets. And I don't care if Carlos Gomez becomes Roberto Clemente. That deal was a robbery. All over the place sites would mention how the Mets didn't have the farm to get Santana with what they wanted from the Yanks and how they'd have to include a Reyes. Then, they get him WITHOUT even having to give up Pelfrey
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The fact that Hughes, Kennedy and Melky are all in AAA means they absolutely should've asked for all 3 guys. The ones who made out the best in that deal wasnt the Twins, the Mets or the Yankees, it was Scranton.
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Aug 17 2008, 08:44 PM
The fact that Hughes, Kennedy and Melky are all in AAA means they absolutely should've asked for all 3 guys. The ones who made out the best in that deal wasnt the Twins, the Mets or the Yankees, it was Scranton.

Hindsight is 20/20.
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Aug 17 2008, 09:44 PM
I think everyone should be steeming mad about what the Twins took. They acted like they were in a position of strength, asking for Hughes, when his value was as high as it could get, and all sorts of ridiculous packages. Then, they go and take sh*t from the Mets. And I don't care if Carlos Gomez becomes Roberto Clemente. That deal was a robbery. All over the place sites would mention how the Mets didn't have the farm to get Santana with what they wanted from the Yanks and how they'd have to include a Reyes. Then, they get him WITHOUT even having to give up Pelfrey

I can't agree, we were pumping a package of Kennedy, Melky and maybe a couple of other guys like a Tabata or something. Melky is garbage, Kennedy is a head case, I can't kill them for asking for Hughes. Even he looks like pure sh*t, maybe they weren't high on him.
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Aug 17 2008, 09:44 PM
I think everyone should be steeming mad about what the Twins took. They acted like they were in a position of strength, asking for Hughes, when his value was as high as it could get, and all sorts of ridiculous packages. Then, they go and take sh*t from the Mets. And I don't care if Carlos Gomez becomes Roberto Clemente. That deal was a robbery. All over the place sites would mention how the Mets didn't have the farm to get Santana with what they wanted from the Yanks and how they'd have to include a Reyes. Then, they get him WITHOUT even having to give up Pelfrey

It's too bad you don't understand how leverage works. Once the Yankees and Red Sox basically dropped out, they had to take what they could get, and that was the Mets' subpar offer.
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Aug 17 2008, 08:46 PM
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I think everyone should be steeming mad about what the Twins took. They acted like they were in a position of strength, asking for Hughes, when his value was as high as it could get, and all sorts of ridiculous packages. Then, they go and take sh*t from the Mets. And I don't care if Carlos Gomez becomes Roberto Clemente. That deal was a robbery. All over the place sites would mention how the Mets didn't have the farm to get Santana with what they wanted from the Yanks and how they'd have to include a Reyes. Then, they get him WITHOUT even having to give up Pelfrey

I can't agree, we were pumping a package of Kennedy, Melky and maybe a couple of other guys like a Tabata or something. Melky is garbage, Kennedy is a head case, I can't kill them for asking for Hughes. Even he looks like pure sh*t, maybe they weren't high on him.

Cashman stated they either wanted a package of Hughes and prospects or Kennedy and Wang with prospects. I was willing to give up Wang, but you do not include any kind of prospects of value along with it.
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Wasn't the Twins desire Hughes, Melky, Tabata, and Horne or Austin Jackson? It was something ludicrous as hell given Santana was leaving no matter what and all the prospects they wanted had lots of value at the time
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Oh. And another reason you can't fault Hughes for not getting Santana. They had made an offer around him and they still wanted more top prospects.
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Aug 17 2008, 09:52 PM
Oh. And another reason you can't fault Hughes for not getting Santana. They had made an offer around him and they still wanted more top prospects.

I don't fault Hughes, and I'm actually glad we didn't trade Hughes for him. I just don't think you can kill the Twins for asking for him. They were playing the Yankees against the Red Sox at that time and going back and forth, unfortunately for the Twins both teams got sick of it and backed out which eventually lowered their leverage which is why you can say they had to settle for a lesser package eventually. I don't think they truly wanted to trade him in League either, he can't come back and bite them really with the Muets.
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Aug 17 2008, 09:56 PM
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Aug 17 2008, 09:52 PM
Oh. And another reason you can't fault Hughes for not getting Santana. They had made an offer around him and they still wanted more top prospects.

I don't fault Hughes, and I'm actually glad we didn't trade Hughes for him. I just don't think you can kill the Twins for asking for him. They were playing the Yankees against the Red Sox at that time and going back and forth, unfortunately for the Twins both teams got sick of it and backed out which eventually lowered their leverage which is why you can say they had to settle for a lesser package eventually. I don't think they truly wanted to trade him in League either, he can't come back and bite them really with the Muets.

Exactly.
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Aug 17 2008, 09:44 PM
I think everyone should be steeming mad about what the Twins took. They acted like they were in a position of strength, asking for Hughes, when his value was as high as it could get, and all sorts of ridiculous packages. Then, they go and take sh*t from the Mets. And I don't care if Carlos Gomez becomes Roberto Clemente. That deal was a robbery. All over the place sites would mention how the Mets didn't have the farm to get Santana with what they wanted from the Yanks and how they'd have to include a Reyes. Then, they get him WITHOUT even having to give up Pelfrey

We weren't exactly in position to be playing games either. We NEEDED an ace and they knew it, the last thing the Yankees wanted was him going to Boston. When the Twins realized though the neither the Yankees or Red Sox were going to play their game they had to turn around and get what they could, so the Muets snuck in with their offer.
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Oh. And another reason you can't fault Hughes for not getting Santana. They had made an offer around him and they still wanted more top prospects.

I don't fault Hughes, and I'm actually glad we didn't trade Hughes for him. I just don't think you can kill the Twins for asking for him. They were playing the Yankees against the Red Sox at that time and going back and forth, unfortunately for the Twins both teams got sick of it and backed out which eventually lowered their leverage which is why you can say they had to settle for a lesser package eventually. I don't think they truly wanted to trade him in League either, he can't come back and bite them really with the Muets.

You can, when they ended up taking what they did for the Mets
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I think everyone should be steeming mad about what the Twins took. They acted like they were in a position of strength, asking for Hughes, when his value was as high as it could get, and all sorts of ridiculous packages. Then, they go and take sh*t from the Mets. And I don't care if Carlos Gomez becomes Roberto Clemente. That deal was a robbery. All over the place sites would mention how the Mets didn't have the farm to get Santana with what they wanted from the Yanks and how they'd have to include a Reyes. Then, they get him WITHOUT even having to give up Pelfrey

We weren't exactly in position to be playing games either. We NEEDED an ace and they knew it, the last thing the Yankees wanted was him going to Boston. When the Twins realized though the neither the Yankees or Red Sox were going to play their game they had to turn around and get what they could, so the Muets snuck in with their offer.

When Boston made that (insert religion) offer of take this or that package, they should have hung up and completed a deal with the Yankees to stick it up their ass. I never heard of such bullshit. You can have this, but not that, or you can take this, but not that.
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Aug 17 2008, 10:02 PM
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I think everyone should be steeming mad about what the Twins took. They acted like they were in a position of strength, asking for Hughes, when his value was as high as it could get, and all sorts of ridiculous packages. Then, they go and take sh*t from the Mets. And I don't care if Carlos Gomez becomes Roberto Clemente. That deal was a robbery. All over the place sites would mention how the Mets didn't have the farm to get Santana with what they wanted from the Yanks and how they'd have to include a Reyes. Then, they get him WITHOUT even having to give up Pelfrey

We weren't exactly in position to be playing games either. We NEEDED an ace and they knew it, the last thing the Yankees wanted was him going to Boston. When the Twins realized though the neither the Yankees or Red Sox were going to play their game they had to turn around and get what they could, so the Muets snuck in with their offer.

When Boston made that (insert religion) offer of take this or that package, they should have hung up and completed a deal with the Yankees to stick it up their ass. I never heard of such bullshit. You can have this, but not that, or you can take this, but not that.

Well, anyway you look at it, I didn't think the Twins asking for Hughes was outrageous. Now I just hope the guy can turn himself around since we kept him. I'm not encouraged by what I saw this year though. He took quite a few steps back.
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What I should say was asking for Hughes AND prospects was outrageous. The Yankees were willing to give up Hughes and it's not like our farm was stacked. But after they took what they did from the Mets, just the fact they asked for Hughes is a joke. We wouldn't have traded Hughes for the package the Mets gave the Twins.
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Aug 17 2008, 09:41 PM
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I didn't want them to give up Hughes either, but it would've been tough for me to complain about it.

Maybe I've hung around Homie's posts too much, because I would have felt bittersweet about a Hughes and prospects for Santana offer. I usually don't give a sh*t about rookies, since more times than not they are failures. Look around at top pitching prospects. I think of guys like Edwin Jackson on Tampa,, who was getting the Hughes hype only a few years ago, Gavin Floyd, and other forgetables. But I wasn't in support of giving them Hughes, especially after what crap they took from the Mets. Just like when the Red Sox got Beckett without giving up Papelbon or Lester, I was in shock the Mets didn't even have to give up Pelfrey(and now he's pitching well of course)

Floyd's actually done well this year:

W-L 12-6 ERA 3.75 K 103

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Hughes getting slapped around by 27 year old career minor leaguers. This guy sucks.


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Aug 17 2008, 11:41 PM
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I didn't want them to give up Hughes either, but it would've been tough for me to complain about it.

Maybe I've hung around Homie's posts too much, because I would have felt bittersweet about a Hughes and prospects for Santana offer. I usually don't give a sh*t about rookies, since more times than not they are failures. Look around at top pitching prospects. I think of guys like Edwin Jackson on Tampa,, who was getting the Hughes hype only a few years ago, Gavin Floyd, and other forgetables. But I wasn't in support of giving them Hughes, especially after what crap they took from the Mets. Just like when the Red Sox got Beckett without giving up Papelbon or Lester, I was in shock the Mets didn't even have to give up Pelfrey(and now he's pitching well of course)

Floyd's actually done well this year:

W-L 12-6 ERA 3.75 K 103

:peace:

That don't help the Phillies and Floyd isn't an ace like projected. And Jackson's become a good back end of the rotation guy for Tampa. But the hype for him with the Dodgers was insane.
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Hughes getting slapped around by 27 year old career minor leaguers. This guy sucks.


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