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| Gerrit Cole Chooses College | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 15 2008, 10:01 AM (236 Views) | |
| Venom | Aug 15 2008, 10:01 AM Post #1 |
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This is a HUGE loss. He's going to be a top 7 pick in next years draft. :furious: :furious: :furious: |
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| I'mRickJamesBitch | Aug 15 2008, 10:02 AM Post #2 |
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Unreal. College? What a loser. |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 15 2008, 10:07 AM Post #3 |
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That sucks. Growing up as a fan, you'd think he would choose the Yankees millions over college. From an unbiased standpoint though, I can never blame a guy for going to college, especially a cool one like UCLA. I always think the NBA players who skip college are missing out. College is great. Even Greg Oden admitted he loved college and is glad he had to go for a year. Hell, just being back in a crappy dorm, living on campus, and partying like a college student upstate last week had me missing it again. |
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| Venom | Aug 15 2008, 10:08 AM Post #4 |
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I wish him nothing but misery and bad luck. What kind of Yankees fan would turn down a chance to play for the Yankees? I don't get it. |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 15 2008, 10:10 AM Post #5 |
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I hear you. I'd probably give up everything great about college to be a Yankee, but he probably figures he could be a higher pick down the road, experience college life, develop his game, make millions anyway, and if he wants to be a Yankee eventually, he can be. It's a calculated risk on his point. |
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| HendoBaby | Aug 15 2008, 10:13 AM Post #6 |
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Jesus Christ, a draft pick that I get real excited over and the guy f*cks us over. It's not like he wasn't going to get millions with us. There was no reason for this to happen. f*ck him. He'll be an ace for some last place team, you know it. It was too good to be true. Now watch Brackman come back throwing 89 MPH. And someone, probably Homie, tell me- When do first round picks screw over the teams that drafted them? It's usually when they are taken in the mid-rounds that they elect college. |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 15 2008, 10:21 AM Post #7 |
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How about your man crush J.D. Drew? You couldn't screw over a team more than he did Philly. |
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| HendoBaby | Aug 15 2008, 10:24 AM Post #8 |
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I was hoping for an answer about someone that went to college over being selected in the first round, not because of a money issue. Reading comprehension like you like to say. If Cole isn't here because of money, someone needs to get fired over this. |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 15 2008, 10:26 AM Post #9 |
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I understood the question, but what Drew did was worse. There's a lot over the years, if you look over transactions on guys' baseball-reference.com pages, who spurned their original offers to go to college. One example which hits home is Mark Prior. The Yankees drafted him in the first round out of high school. |
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| HendoBaby | Aug 15 2008, 10:29 AM Post #10 |
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Prior was a money issue as far as I know. Had they ponied up, he's a Yankee. I'm talking about a guy that could already make his millions, as no doubt they'd have given Cole, and still foregone the money just to go to college. Alright, enough of your posts. Homie might know |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 15 2008, 10:30 AM Post #11 |
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I'm sure the Yankees offered a lot to Cole. I'd be shocked if they let him go over a million or two. |
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| HendoBaby | Aug 15 2008, 10:31 AM Post #12 |
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Prior turned down 1.5 to get 10.5 later on. A sound move by him. I can't imagine this is Cole's motivation. Being drafted by the Yankees is like being drafted by a top 5 team nowadays financially speaking |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 15 2008, 10:33 AM Post #13 |
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It turned out well. It could either turn out well for Cole, or crash and burn in his face. Only Doc Brown and Marty McFly could have known Prior's decision would pay off. It's a risk either way. |
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| Mantlemurcer | Aug 15 2008, 10:34 AM Post #14 |
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:please: You would have been calling him sh*t in 2 years and bashing Homie for hyping him. |
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| Strider | Aug 15 2008, 10:38 AM Post #15 |
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I'd bash Cole now. Have you seen the footage of his delivery? There was a breakdown of it somewhere and I think someone posted it. His knee looks like it's about to be hyperextended on every pitch, he's got a hitch and he throws across his body. For someone who throws as hard to have that flawed a motion, he's destined for problems. He'll hurt something before sophomore year. f*ck him. |
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| HendoBaby | Aug 15 2008, 10:39 AM Post #16 |
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It's very possible he becomes number 1 overall, Cole. But really, seeing how the Yankees pay the big bucks nowadays, it's more risk than reward IMO. Especially like you noted Strider, he could easily become an injury risk. |
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| Mantlemurcer | Aug 15 2008, 10:39 AM Post #17 |
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Bottom line is he's a high school pitcher and you have no clue how he'll turn out. Everyone in high school can throw hard and get a zillion strikeouts. Don't mean dick. |
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| Strider | Aug 15 2008, 10:40 AM Post #18 |
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Yeah, just look at Phil Hughes. |
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| HendoBaby | Aug 15 2008, 10:41 AM Post #19 |
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The one argument in his defense could be how High Schoolers seem to have a much tougher transition to the bigs. Jeremy Bonderman was a huge phenom as far as I recall, Oakland was happy to unload him, and he's never really bloosomed with Detroit. Meanwhile, the college prospect, Velander, has already been better. I think Todd Van Poppel, who was VERY highly regarded in the 90s as the best, probably even higher than Brien Taylor, was also a High School project |
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| moomoo24 | Aug 15 2008, 11:04 AM Post #20 |
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First just an fyi you can't be drafted until after your junior year if you elect to go to college. It's a weird rule, you can be drafted straight out of high school, you could go to a JC and be drafted whenever, but if you go to a 4 year school you have to wait until after your junior or senior year to be drafted. It doesn't make sense and Ithink they'll eventually change it but Cole won't be a top 10 pick until at least 2010. And could fans have any more of a double standard? We get on players for being greedy and getting overpaid and still wanting more, then a player elects not to take the money and go to ollege and he still gets killed. I don't blame him. The thought of messing around at UCLA for 3 years sleepign with some of the hottest girls in the country and get my money later sounds pretty good to me. |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 15 2008, 11:07 AM Post #21 |
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We can see that because we had a fun time at college and are being unbiased from a Yankees standpoint with our comments. Lower level minor leagues aren't exactly as glamorous as life as a Bruin, big bank account or not. |
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| Mantlemurcer | Aug 15 2008, 11:26 AM Post #22 |
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Giving Marshall 850K as a 6th rounder had to hurt them too. If you see the 6th round guy getting much, you're going to want 6 times that for the first round. |
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| moomoo24 | Aug 15 2008, 11:48 AM Post #23 |
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Lets not put that in past tense yet Matty, I still got a year left and I want no part of the real world so lets just assume this year is going to at least feel like it lasts longer then the last one :peace: |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 15 2008, 11:51 AM Post #24 |
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Yeah, I'd trade places with you, my fellow 8/24'er. |
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| moomoo24 | Aug 15 2008, 11:53 AM Post #25 |
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Speaking of which this year is the big 2-1. No longer will I be Ronald Stevens of Burlington, Vermont. |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 15 2008, 12:01 PM Post #26 |
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Haha, I got so used to by birthday being on January 30, I sometimes forgot my real one! |
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| moomoo24 | Aug 15 2008, 12:04 PM Post #27 |
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Haha, I hear ya. One of my favorite parties of school was celbrating my fake 23rd birthday this past April 24th. |
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| HomieYank | Aug 15 2008, 12:18 PM Post #28 |
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Cole supposedly wants 8 million and a Major League contract. Brackman got half that. Personally I think any player that chooses college over the pros is stupid. I went to college and had a BLAST running and messing around, but think about it. With ~5 million dollars you can still take classes pretty much wherever you want and you can spend your off-seasons going to whatever college town you want and partying. Also relevant, especially for a pitcher, is the difference in the coaching and development. Those coaches are trying to build resumes and keep jobs, they don't care how you pitch after you leave. People throw around the stat about College pitchers working out more often than High School pitchers, but thats crap. Its relevant for the team thats choosing between a high school and college player, but its not relevant for the player torn between college and the pros. That stat leaves out all the players that flame out in college. There is nothing noble or smart about picking college. I can understand a person doing it, but I don't think it can be looked at as anything but a poor decision. |
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| HomieYank | Aug 15 2008, 12:21 PM Post #29 |
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I had one made. I was Max Powers from Boston Massachusetts (went to school in upstate NY, figured another state would be smart). Sometimes bouncers would laugh at the name and let me in knowing full well the ID was fake. |
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| Strider | Aug 15 2008, 12:26 PM Post #30 |
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Did you pick the name for the ID or they're pre-made? Because Max Powers sounds like a superhero who's secret identity is as a World's Strongest Man competititor. It's almost "McLovin" bad. And, if the kids are reading this, you're probably better off picking a region not known for a distinct accent. Make the whole act more believable and easier to pull off. |
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