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Why Isn't This Team Giving Juan Miranda A Shot?
Topic Started: Aug 14 2008, 07:10 PM (138 Views)
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I'm not saying this guy is some savior, but it makes no sense, now that this team isn't starting Melky, to not give the guy a shot. Have him play 1B and bat 9th. Let's see if he can give us anything. No pressure. Late in games, Melky goes to CF, Damon to LF, and Nady to 1B. No taking out a middle of the order hitter for defensive purposes. For God's sake, this offense has done dickshit for awhile now. Let's try someone that actually might give us something.
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Aug 14 2008, 07:10 PM
I'm not saying this guy is some savior, but it makes no sense, now that this team isn't starting Melky, to not give the guy a shot. Have him play 1B and bat 9th. Let's see if he can give us anything. No pressure. Late in games, Melky goes to CF, Damon to LF, and Nady to 1B. No taking out a middle of the order hitter for defensive purposes. For God's sake, this offense has done dickshit for awhile now. Let's try someone that actually might give us something.

What is with throwing everyone at 1st base? Damon's barely played there. How do you know Nady has any ability to play there?
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Relying on Nady or especially Damon to be the first baseman next season would be idiotic by Cashman or whoever takes over. Nady has played there a little bit, but he's not a real first baseman, and Damon is nothing more than a fill-in there.
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Mantlemurcer
Aug 14 2008, 08:20 PM
How do you know Nady has any ability to play there?

Because he's played plenty of 1B before, you stupid ass.
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Aug 15 2008, 03:47 AM
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Aug 14 2008, 08:20 PM
How do you know Nady has any ability to play there?

Because he's played plenty of 1B before, you stupid ass.

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Aug 14 2008, 07:20 PM
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Aug 14 2008, 07:10 PM
I'm not saying this guy is some savior, but it makes no sense, now that this team isn't starting Melky, to not give the guy a shot. Have him play 1B and bat 9th. Let's see if he can give us anything. No pressure. Late in games, Melky goes to CF, Damon to LF, and Nady to 1B. No taking out a middle of the order hitter for defensive purposes. For God's sake, this offense has done dickshit for awhile now. Let's try someone that actually might give us something.

What is with throwing everyone at 1st base? Damon's barely played there. How do you know Nady has any ability to play there?

Because he's played there and any athlete worth a damn should be able to play 1B in MLB. That's not an outlandish concept at all. Most liabilities end up getting thrown at 1B for a reason. I bet if we threw Damon at 1B next year, which I think is an option if they don't want to go apeshit on Teixiera, he'd do better there than he has in LF and CF. Mark Teixiera wasn't a real 1B. He would be playing 3rd if it weren't for Hank Blalock and most likely very well. 1B isn't exactly the hardest position to fill. That's why it's so angering we haven't filled it in years.
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I read some scout reviews on Miranda. I don't know if he's Homie biased(Love ya by the way), but it sounds like he's got the tools to be a solid Major League hitter. It's possible they are just taking their time with him. But honestly, what would be the harm getting him up here batting 9th. More than likely, barring some insane run, he'd be back in Triple A next year anyways. It's worth a shot to see what we have in him though
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DrGregoryHouse
Aug 14 2008, 11:39 PM
It's possible they are just taking their time with him.

He's supposedly 25, but he's from Cuba so he's probably 27 or 28. What could they be taking their time with?

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That ain't no 25 year old.
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any athlete worth a damn should be able to play 1B in MLB.
Thaank you!

The only thing I can think of with Miranda is that they feel he can be an everyday player and want him to stay in the minors until he shows he can hit lefties better. They may also think his glove, which is supposedly poor, can improve.

Most scouts think he'll hit enough to play 1B/DH in the bigs. He's old for a prospect, but he also didn't play at all for 2 years while defecting. To lose 2 years of playing and still do what he has so far is impressive to me.
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Aug 15 2008, 06:31 AM
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any athlete worth a damn should be able to play 1B in MLB.
Thaank you!

The only thing I can think of with Miranda is that they feel he can be an everyday player and want him to stay in the minors until he shows he can hit lefties better. They may also think his glove, which is supposedly poor, can improve.

Most scouts think he'll hit enough to play 1B/DH in the bigs. He's old for a prospect, but he also didn't play at all for 2 years while defecting. To lose 2 years of playing and still do what he has so far is impressive to me.

That does make sense to me, but I can't see how it can hurt to play him basically everyday for the rest of the year here. It's not like our lineup has that 9th hitter that should start everyday. Give him a shot. He'll be back in the minors next year anyways
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Aug 15 2008, 07:29 AM
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Aug 15 2008, 06:31 AM
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any athlete worth a damn should be able to play 1B in MLB.
Thaank you!

The only thing I can think of with Miranda is that they feel he can be an everyday player and want him to stay in the minors until he shows he can hit lefties better. They may also think his glove, which is supposedly poor, can improve.

Most scouts think he'll hit enough to play 1B/DH in the bigs. He's old for a prospect, but he also didn't play at all for 2 years while defecting. To lose 2 years of playing and still do what he has so far is impressive to me.

That does make sense to me, but I can't see how it can hurt to play him basically everyday for the rest of the year here. It's not like our lineup has that 9th hitter that should start everyday. Give him a shot. He'll be back in the minors next year anyways

Realistically the lefty half of a lefty/righty platoon is basically an everyday player anyway. I don't see the harm.
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any athlete worth a damn should be able to play 1B in MLB.
Thaank you!

The only thing I can think of with Miranda is that they feel he can be an everyday player and want him to stay in the minors until he shows he can hit lefties better. They may also think his glove, which is supposedly poor, can improve.

Most scouts think he'll hit enough to play 1B/DH in the bigs. He's old for a prospect, but he also didn't play at all for 2 years while defecting. To lose 2 years of playing and still do what he has so far is impressive to me.

That does make sense to me, but I can't see how it can hurt to play him basically everyday for the rest of the year here. It's not like our lineup has that 9th hitter that should start everyday. Give him a shot. He'll be back in the minors next year anyways

Realistically the lefty half of a lefty/righty platoon is basically an everyday player anyway. I don't see the harm.

f*ck, he probably has a better chance learning on the job how to hit lefties than starting Wilson Betemit right-handed or Richie Sexson and his swing underwater.
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Aug 14 2008, 08:47 PM
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Aug 14 2008, 08:20 PM
How do you know Nady has any ability to play there?

Because he's played plenty of 1B before, you stupid ass.

I didn't realize it..a whole 79 games and how do you know he was any good..that being said we need a long term fix ala Teixeira.
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Aug 14 2008, 08:47 PM
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Aug 14 2008, 08:20 PM
How do you know Nady has any ability to play there?

Because he's played plenty of 1B before, you stupid ass.

I didn't realize it..a whole 79 games and how do you know he was any good..that being said we need a long term fix ala Teixeira.

MM, you're smarter than that notion about 1B. 1B is a very easily playable position. Don't you remember the fatasses of the 90s, Cecil Fielder, Mo Vaughn, playing a good 1B? If you're telling me you can't find outfielders to play 1B solidly, they must be the worst OF there ever was. And like I said, everyone wants Teixiera. The guy would be playing 3B still if Texas didn't have 3B prospects. He was great there at Georgia Tech supposedly.
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Aug 15 2008, 10:46 AM
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Aug 14 2008, 08:47 PM
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Aug 14 2008, 08:20 PM
How do you know Nady has any ability to play there?

Because he's played plenty of 1B before, you stupid ass.

I didn't realize it..a whole 79 games and how do you know he was any good..that being said we need a long term fix ala Teixeira.

MM, you're smarter than that notion about 1B. 1B is a very easily playable position. Don't you remember the fatasses of the 90s, Cecil Fielder, Mo Vaughn, playing a good 1B? If you're telling me you can't find outfielders to play 1B solidly, they must be the worst OF there ever was. And like I said, everyone wants Teixiera. The guy would be playing 3B still if Texas didn't have 3B prospects. He was great there at Georgia Tech supposedly.

It really isn't that easy...look how much Giambi f*cks it up every time he has to throw or move...its not as easy as it would seem or else we wouldn't be concerned about Posada playing it.
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Anyone can play first. Not everyone can play it well. I miss the days of Mattingly getting everything over there and turning the DP with ease. All I ask for is someone with Tino's abilities defensively. I think Teixeira is between Mattingly and Tino. Giambi has been better than I expected there this year because he's playing regularly and in better shape, but he's still a liability there, as is Betemit to a lesser extent.
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Mantlemurcer
Aug 14 2008, 08:20 PM
How do you know Nady has any ability to play there?

Because he's played plenty of 1B before, you stupid ass.

I didn't realize it..a whole 79 games and how do you know he was any good..that being said we need a long term fix ala Teixeira.

MM, you're smarter than that notion about 1B. 1B is a very easily playable position. Don't you remember the fatasses of the 90s, Cecil Fielder, Mo Vaughn, playing a good 1B? If you're telling me you can't find outfielders to play 1B solidly, they must be the worst OF there ever was. And like I said, everyone wants Teixiera. The guy would be playing 3B still if Texas didn't have 3B prospects. He was great there at Georgia Tech supposedly.

It really isn't that easy...look how much Giambi f*cks it up every time he has to throw or move...its not as easy as it would seem or else we wouldn't be concerned about Posada playing it.

Posada is a washed up catcher that has spent his career in a crouch. Just like Piazza, it didn't work because they just didn't have any lateral movement and they were steps behind their prime, which was slow to begin with. Posada, YEARS back, played a very solid 1B in limited action for us. Mike Sweeney and Carlos Delgado were two catchers that moved and played solid 1B. Had they moved later on, probably not so much. . Catching to 1B at the tail end of a career is completely different that OFs, who have to move laterally all the time. Failed OFs have become great 1B. The proof is all over the place. Albert Pujols wasn't much of anything defensively and he played the OF and 3B. He moves to 1B regularly and he'd be a gold glover with less competition. Remember Nick Johnson trying the OF? The Phillies didn't even dare try Ryan Howard in the OF and had him play 1B. How can you use Giambi? He's at the tail end of his career and when in his prime, Oakland, was a solid 1B. Fact, if you have decent mobility, you should be able to play 1B pretty well. Hell, if you have soft hands and no mobility, you can get by.

And as for guys such as Keith Hernandez, who was a wizard defensively, and other defensive left-handed first basemen, they'd be playing middle infield if it weren't for that left-handed glove.
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