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Joe Torre is going to the WS this season
Topic Started: Aug 14 2008, 02:43 PM (178 Views)
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Aug 15 2008, 11:12 AM
And I was never a Torre supporter, I think the move had to be made and I'd make it 99 times out of 100.  But there is something about Torre's way of managing, that "calmness" that everyone talks about that I think makes a difference.  The never panic attitude keeps the team relaxed and is why I think his teams have done as a whole very well over the past decade plus. I'm also not defending Jeter, just pointing out how important to the team he is.  As he goes, so does the team which is why he should get a good portion of the blame for this lackluster season.

That calmness. Do the Yankees look panicked now? Some fans would probably prefer if they did.

You're making the 12-straight playoff appearances thing sound like it's magic. Like Torre's presence made it happen. They made the playoffs those years because in every season, they were a top 2-3 talent on paper. In most of those years, they were the #1 team in the league. And last year, Torre had Posada and a version of Posada that was contributing (.338), he had a Jeter that was 40+ points better and smarter and more aggressive on the bases, a Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy who weren't pitching like a couple sissy fairies from the Camden little leauge, an Alex Rodriguez who didn't miss time with injury and who wasn't hitting .025 w/ RISP, a Robinson Cano who wasn't hitting .260 this late, a Mariano who wasn't pitching in tied games like Armando Benitez in the clutch, etc. He also had Chien-Ming Wang with two good feet, winning 19 games. Excluding the other factors I've listed, if you say the Yankees should've won half of the 6 games Rivera f*cked up that resulted in losses (modest projetion) and subtract the sh*t starts from Rasner/Goose/Kennedy and replace them with Wang starts, you're probably looking at a 9- or 10-win difference. That would put them right at or near the top of the AL East. It's not fair or accurate to say that Torre's the missing ingredient or the determining factor of playoffs or not. The team possibly missing the playoffs this year is not because of him. The players look calm to me, and Girardi makes about as many stupid decisions, so nothing from the managerial equation is missing.

You wanna give him credit for playing the young guys in LA and snuffing out the bullshit, OK. I wouldn't so much, because I've thought for years that that team should be an NL elite and they'd underachieved. But if you're gonna credit him for it, I won't stop you. But don't say his absense has anything to do with the Yankees now.
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Aug 14 2008, 02:40 PM
They're carbon copies, but I guess I just hate Girardi more right now since we're going to miss the playoffs. And to be fair, I know there have been some devistating injuries but with all the money put into this team there's no excuse.

I agree. Both Giradi and Torre cater to the veterans no matter what. I personally want Jeter out of the top 3 spots. He's a rally killer and I think he's number one in grounding into double plays. What's up with that. If Giradi had balls and realistically moved Jeter he would have some credability. If I were the Yankees right now I'd play AAA guys immediately. I want Nady in the feckin 3rd spot and move Abreu to the number 2 spot. Jeter bats 9th and sit Melky as a bench player/pinch runner. Make the call ups NOW.....
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