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Joe Torre is going to the WS this season
Topic Started: Aug 14 2008, 02:43 PM (177 Views)
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Manny will put them over the top ....you watch....they're now in 1st place...
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I think the reaction from most when the Dodgers got Manny was that they'd win that pathetic division. I wouldn't be shocked at all if they go to the WS as well, the NL is wide open. I'd love to see Manny shove it up the Red Sox asses.
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I won't be surprised when its an all LA World Series.
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If anything the title of this thread should be the Dodgers are going to win the WS this season.
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I am happy as long as the Muts don't win the NL.
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Aug 14 2008, 02:16 PM
I am happy as long as the Muts don't win the NL.

Whatever team wins the NL east will be the 4th worst NL team in the playoffs and the 8th worst team overall in the playoffs.
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There's no way some of you could handle Torre winning.

I've always hated the Dodgers so I wouldn't want to see it unless they're playing the Sux.
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Aug 14 2008, 02:26 PM
There's no way some of you could handle Torre winning.

I've always hated the Dodgers so I wouldn't want to see it unless they're playing the Sux.

Again it would be the Dodgers winning.
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Aug 14 2008, 03:31 PM
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Aug 14 2008, 02:26 PM
There's no way some of you could handle Torre winning.

I've always hated the Dodgers so I wouldn't want to see it unless they're playing the Sux.

Again it would be the Dodgers winning.

no it wouldn't
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Aug 14 2008, 03:26 PM
There's no way some of you could handle Torre winning.

I've always hated the Dodgers so I wouldn't want to see it unless they're playing the Sux.

It pisses me off but I'll say this for Torre, he's better than Retardi. I still don't think the move to get rid of Torre was wrong, the timing was just bad, it should've been done in 2006 and Lou should've been in here. It's pathetic that Girardi has gotten so little out of this team after doing a pretty decent job in Fla.
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Aug 14 2008, 03:26 PM
There's no way some of you could handle Torre winning.

I've always hated the Dodgers so I wouldn't want to see it unless they're playing the Sux.

It pisses me off but I'll say this for Torre, he's better than Retardi. I still don't think the move to get rid of Torre was wrong, the timing was just bad, it should've been done in 2006 and Lou should've been in here. It's pathetic that Girardi has gotten so little out of this team after doing a pretty decent job in Fla.

I think Girardi does all the annoying things Torre did minus the Bullpen mistakes. To me that still gives him a slight edge.
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They're carbon copies, but I guess I just hate Girardi more right now since we're going to miss the playoffs. And to be fair, I know there have been some devistating injuries but with all the money put into this team there's no excuse.
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Torre has to get some credit for the Dodgers winning and I think in a twist of fate he'd get more credit in NY if he went elsewhere and won. Just like I don't think it's a coincidence Jeter is having his worst year in 12 seasons and so are the Yanees, Torre went to LA and they look poised to win the pennant. You can call both of them lucky to always be surrounded by talent but I think it's more then a coincidence.
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Girardi doesn't even have 2 years of experience and it has shown on a number of occasions. Biggest thing is that this team still plays with no fire.
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Aug 14 2008, 05:14 PM
Girardi doesn't even have 2 years of experience and it has shown on a number of occasions.  Biggest thing is that this team still plays with no fire.

Having very limited experience and being a complete idiot are two different things. Retardi is a complete idiot who makes the same stupid decisions over and over again. Like I said, I admit I was 110% wrong about him, he's garbage. Get him out.
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Aug 14 2008, 06:11 PM
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Girardi doesn't even have 2 years of experience and it has shown on a number of occasions.  Biggest thing is that this team still plays with no fire.

Having very limited experience and being a complete idiot are two different things. Retardi is a complete idiot who makes the same stupid decisions over and over again. Like I said, I admit I was 110% wrong about him, he's garbage. Get him out.

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Aug 14 2008, 06:23 PM
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Girardi doesn't even have 2 years of experience and it has shown on a number of occasions.  Biggest thing is that this team still plays with no fire.

Having very limited experience and being a complete idiot are two different things. Retardi is a complete idiot who makes the same stupid decisions over and over again. Like I said, I admit I was 110% wrong about him, he's garbage. Get him out.

:please:

First time in 13 years we're missing the playoffs and Retardi is a huge reason for that. He can f*ck himself.
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Aug 14 2008, 04:24 PM
Torre has to get some credit for the Dodgers winning and I think in a twist of fate he'd get more credit in NY if he went elsewhere and won.  Just like I don't think it's a coincidence Jeter is having his worst year in 12 seasons and so are the Yanees, Torre went to LA and they look poised to win the pennant.  You can call both of them lucky to always be surrounded by talent but I think it's more then a coincidence.

Why should Torre get credit? The team was under .500 before they got Manny. Does Torre get credit for Manny hitting .800 with 97 RBIs in 10 games? Did Manny remind him how to manage? You seriously think that Jeter is hitting .280 because Torre isn't here? Why would that be?

It's pure coincidence. Come on now. Even the Torre supporters wouldn't argue those points.

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What does that matter? How much experience do you have? Count how many times you've first-guessed moves he's made. Moves that were mistakes the second they were made and, as expected, turned out badly. Count them, as many as you can. Experience might matter in terms of dealing with players and management and navigating it all. Experience, with strategy, means very little. Especially in the areas in which he has erred, i.e. making out the lineup. He's f*cked up, plain and simple. He's made the same mistakes several times this year. You'd think the experience of failure with those decisions would teach him. It hasn't. Which means he is what he is.

Aside: I've said it a bunch of times, but MLB managers should make what the priliminary spray-down guy at the car wash makes.
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I agree with you wholeheartedly Strider. I shouldn't be able to see what's going to happen before it happens while Retardi has his thumb up his ass. He's been around the game for years. Managerial experience means cock
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By the way I said when Torre got the job that I saw that team in the WS next year and that he would wrongly get all the credit. That team has so much talent its stupid and they are young. Thats a core that could dominate the NL for years.
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Aug 14 2008, 10:38 PM
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Aug 14 2008, 04:24 PM
Torre has to get some credit for the Dodgers winning and I think in a twist of fate he'd get more credit in NY if he went elsewhere and won.  Just like I don't think it's a coincidence Jeter is having his worst year in 12 seasons and so are the Yanees, Torre went to LA and they look poised to win the pennant.  You can call both of them lucky to always be surrounded by talent but I think it's more then a coincidence.

Why should Torre get credit? The team was under .500 before they got Manny. Does Torre get credit for Manny hitting .800 with 97 RBIs in 10 games? Did Manny remind him how to manage? You seriously think that Jeter is hitting .280 because Torre isn't here? Why would that be?

It's pure coincidence. Come on now. Even the Torre supporters wouldn't argue those points.

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Girardi doesn't even have 2 years of experience


What does that matter? How much experience do you have? Count how many times you've first-guessed moves he's made. Moves that were mistakes the second they were made and, as expected, turned out badly. Count them, as many as you can. Experience might matter in terms of dealing with players and management and navigating it all. Experience, with strategy, means very little. Especially in the areas in which he has erred, i.e. making out the lineup. He's f*cked up, plain and simple. He's made the same mistakes several times this year. You'd think the experience of failure with those decisions would teach him. It hasn't. Which means he is what he is.

Aside: I've said it a bunch of times, but MLB managers should make what the priliminary spray-down guy at the car wash makes.

All I'm saying is Joe Torre was here for 12 years and every year we made the playoffs. Joe Torre leaves and the first year he's gone, we're not going to make the playoffs. Last year LA didnt make the playoffs, they get Joe Torre, and they're going to make the playoffs. You could call it luck if you want but I'm not going to.
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And I was never a Torre supporter, I think the move had to be made and I'd make it 99 times out of 100. But there is something about Torre's way of managing, that "calmness" that everyone talks about that I think makes a difference. The never panic attitude keeps the team relaxed and is why I think his teams have done as a whole very well over the past decade plus. I'm also not defending Jeter, just pointing out how important to the team he is. As he goes, so does the team which is why he should get a good portion of the blame for this lackluster season.
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As with his time here, Torre should get some of the credit, but not all of it. He manages players' personalities well. This time last year all we heard about was the team getting fractured under Grady between the vets and the youngsters. I haven't heard that at all this year.

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The NL West is a joke and even with that, it wasn't until the Dodgers got Manny that they were a sure thing. Torre absolutely is getting too much credit.
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Aug 15 2008, 11:16 AM
The NL West is a joke and even with that, it wasn't until the Dodgers got Manny that they were a sure thing. Torre absolutely is getting too much credit.

By whom? Do you think what I said was giving him too much credit? I'm talking about how he's handling the players on the roster, not his place in the standings, or what will happen in the postseason. He deserves some credit for how the team has done, regardless of where they finish, or how bad his division is.
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Aug 15 2008, 11:19 AM
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The NL West is a joke and even with that, it wasn't until the Dodgers got Manny that they were a sure thing. Torre absolutely is getting too much credit.

By whom? Do you think what I said was giving him too much credit? I'm talking about how he's handling the players on the roster, not his place in the standings, or what will happen in the postseason. He deserves some credit for how the team has done, regardless of where they finish, or how bad his division is.

I think Moo is giving him a bit too much credit, not you, calm down. And I agree with you that Torre does deserve credit for one thing and it's the same thing I always gave him credit for here. He can handle a clubhouse of egos better than anybody.
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I'm calm. I truly wanted to know if you thought I was giving him too much credit.
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The Dodgers were in contention last year too. AZ has fallen apart and let the Dodgers back into it...that division is a coin flip, so yes Torre will get some credit, but c'mon.
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Aug 15 2008, 11:22 AM
I'm calm. I truly wanted to know if you thought I was giving him too much credit.

Moo is the only one I've seen here who I think is giving him too much credit. To be fair, I can see where he's coming from too though. Torre never missed the playoffs with us and is poised to get the Dodgers into the playoffs, something to be said for that. I certainly think a lot of it is right place, right time, but still it's an impressive run, I'll give Torre that.
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Aug 15 2008, 10:26 AM
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I'm calm.  I truly wanted to know if you thought I was giving him too much credit.

Moo is the only one I've seen here who I think is giving him too much credit. To be fair, I can see where he's coming from too though. Torre never missed the playoffs with us and is poised to get the Dodgers into the playoffs, something to be said for that. I certainly think a lot of it is right place, right time, but still it's an impressive run, I'll give Torre that.

That's all I'm saying, you pretty much said exactly the point I wanted to get across. We always said we'd love to see what Torre and Jeter both would do if they didnt play in NY. While Torre inherited alot of talent he still left and is still successful.
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