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One of the all time great staffs ever?; A Tribute
Topic Started: Jun 17 2008, 08:30 PM (163 Views)
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[size=7]20-7 3.55 ERA[/size]

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:angel: Not even close Vinbo. Put down the Bottle and put out the Crack pipe.

1971 Orioles had four 20 game winners! Cuellar(20), Dobson(20) Jim Palmer(20) and McNally (21)!!! And they had 70 complete games between the four of them! They also had twelve shutouts between them and none of the four had double-digit losses!!! :rock:
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Jun 17 2008, 09:02 PM
:angel: Not even close Vinbo. Put down the Bottle and put out the Crack pipe.

1971 Orioles had four 20 game winners! Cuellar(20), Dobson(20) Jim Palmer(20) and McNally (21)!!! And they had 70 complete games between the four of them! They also had twelve shutouts between them and none of the four had double-digit losses!!! :rock:

I'm not as old as you brother, but the 1971 Orioles didn't win the World Series, the 1998 Yankees won more games then any other team in MLB History. With that being said, 4 20 game winners is somethings special, but that 1998 staff was f*cking awesome!!!

The League ERA in 1971 was 3.36
The League ERA in 1998 was 4.42

So a huge difference, tough to compare the era's, I'm sure you can find a lot of staffs with better numbers, but you have to look at the bottom line.
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72 A's were pretty sick too.
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Just realized the league era in 72 was under 3! Thats insane, never mind about the A's that year. Nothing special.
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Jun 17 2008, 09:02 PM
:angel: Not even close Vinbo. Put down the Bottle and put out the Crack pipe.

1971 Orioles had four 20 game winners! Cuellar(20), Dobson(20) Jim Palmer(20) and McNally (21)!!! And they had 70 complete games between the four of them! They also had twelve shutouts between them and none of the four had double-digit losses!!! :rock:

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Amen brotha Vin :rock:
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I don't about one of the all-time great staffs, but I do know I felt pretty damn good no matter who we were throwing out there every night (except Irabu, never liked him). I miss those days.
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The 1998 Yankees were the best team ever. That doesn't mean they were one of the best starting staffs of all-time. The 1998 Yankees were about 25 well placed players, not stars at every position.

I think I'd even take the 1986 Mets starting staff before the 1998 Yankees.
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Jun 18 2008, 12:31 AM
The 1998 Yankees were the best team ever. That doesn't mean they were one of the best starting staffs of all-time. The 1998 Yankees were about 25 well placed players, not stars at every position.

I think I'd even take the 1986 Mets starting staff before the 1998 Yankees.

Agreed. :peace:
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Jun 18 2008, 08:41 AM
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Jun 18 2008, 12:31 AM
The 1998 Yankees were the best team ever.  That doesn't mean they were one of the best starting staffs of all-time.  The 1998 Yankees were about 25 well placed players, not stars at every position.

I think I'd even take the 1986 Mets starting staff before the 1998 Yankees.

Agreed. :peace:

El Duque vs Doc Gooden would go into the 8th tied at 1, and the Yankees would score off Orosco to win the game.

No matter who that team faced, they would have won. Best team ever.
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The 1998 Yankees were the best team ever.  That doesn't mean they were one of the best starting staffs of all-time.  The 1998 Yankees were about 25 well placed players, not stars at every position.

I think I'd even take the 1986 Mets starting staff before the 1998 Yankees.

Agreed. :peace:

El Duque vs Doc Gooden would go into the 8th tied at 1, and the Yankees would score off Orosco to win the game.

No matter who that team faced, they would have won. Best team ever.

Oh yeah, head to head that 1998 Yankees would have most likely won, although it's not a lock. The Yankees were the better team overall and had the better closer, but that Mets team was one of the best ever, as well.

They won 108 games themselves. They had a great starting staff, two closers in the pen (lefty and righty), a nice bench, and a tough lineup. That would have been a great series, 1986 Mets vs. 1998 Yankees.
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The 1998 Yankees were the best team ever.  That doesn't mean they were one of the best starting staffs of all-time.  The 1998 Yankees were about 25 well placed players, not stars at every position.

I think I'd even take the 1986 Mets starting staff before the 1998 Yankees.

Agreed. :peace:

El Duque vs Doc Gooden would go into the 8th tied at 1, and the Yankees would score off Orosco to win the game.

No matter who that team faced, they would have won. Best team ever.

Yankees win 5-2. :peace:
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Jun 18 2008, 10:37 AM
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Jun 18 2008, 09:47 AM
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The 1998 Yankees were the best team ever.  That doesn't mean they were one of the best starting staffs of all-time.  The 1998 Yankees were about 25 well placed players, not stars at every position.

I think I'd even take the 1986 Mets starting staff before the 1998 Yankees.

Agreed. :peace:

El Duque vs Doc Gooden would go into the 8th tied at 1, and the Yankees would score off Orosco to win the game.

No matter who that team faced, they would have won. Best team ever.

Oh yeah, head to head that 1998 Yankees would have most likely won, although it's not a lock. The Yankees were the better team overall and had the better closer, but that Mets team was one of the best ever, as well.

They won 108 games themselves. They had a great starting staff, two closers in the pen (lefty and righty), a nice bench, and a tough lineup. That would have been a great series, 1986 Mets vs. 1998 Yankees.

The Red Sox choked away that World Series, the 86 Muets were 1 out away from losing the series and then they wouldn't even be in the discussion. Schiraldi gave them game 6 and 7. Great team, yeah. But not one of the all-time greats. They are overrated in NY.

The 1998 Yankees would have a tough time with truly great all-time teams, the '34 Cardinals, '75 Reds, '27 Yankees, etc. The 1986 Mets? Stupidity. :peace:
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Jun 18 2008, 12:31 AM
The 1998 Yankees were the best team ever.  That doesn't mean they were one of the best starting staffs of all-time.  The 1998 Yankees were about 25 well placed players, not stars at every position.

I think I'd even take the 1986 Mets starting staff before the 1998 Yankees.

Agreed. :peace:

El Duque vs Doc Gooden would go into the 8th tied at 1, and the Yankees would score off Orosco to win the game.

No matter who that team faced, they would have won. Best team ever.

Yankees win 5-2. :peace:

Derek Jeter went 1-5 with 3 LOB. <_<
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Jun 18 2008, 11:04 AM

The Red Sox choked away that World Series, the 86 Muets were 1 out away from losing the series and then they wouldn't even be in the discussion. Schiraldi gave them game 6 and 7. Great team, yeah. But not one of the all-time greats. They are overrated in NY.

The 1998 Yankees would have a tough time with truly great all-time teams, the '34 Cardinals, '75 Reds, '27 Yankees, etc. The 1986 Mets? Stupidity. :peace:

I watched that team all year and watched every second of the playoffs. They were great. Just because they almost lost doesn't mean they weren't one of the best ever. The Yankees almost blew the ALCS in 1998 until The Duke rescued them. There are many great teams. I don't remember saying they were better than the 1927 Yankees or the other teams. The 1986 Mets were great, no ifs, ands, or butts.

They were also incredibly strong drinkers and sniffers of coke.
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The 1998 Yankees were the best team ever.  That doesn't mean they were one of the best starting staffs of all-time.  The 1998 Yankees were about 25 well placed players, not stars at every position.

I think I'd even take the 1986 Mets starting staff before the 1998 Yankees.

Agreed. :peace:

El Duque vs Doc Gooden would go into the 8th tied at 1, and the Yankees would score off Orosco to win the game.

No matter who that team faced, they would have won. Best team ever.

Yankees win 5-2. :peace:

Derek Jeter went 1-5 with 3 LOB. <_<

He would
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Duque had one of the great Ballsy and clutch performance in baseball history not only Yankee history. He was a legend!!! Forever one of my top 5 favorite Yankees. Honorable mention goes to Mel Hall. :agent:
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The Red Sox choked away that World Series, the 86 Muets were 1 out away from losing the series and then they wouldn't even be in the discussion. Schiraldi gave them game 6 and 7. Great team, yeah. But not one of the all-time greats. They are overrated in NY.

The 1998 Yankees would have a tough time with truly great all-time teams, the '34 Cardinals, '75 Reds, '27 Yankees, etc. The 1986 Mets? Stupidity. :peace:

I watched that team all year and watched every second of the playoffs. They were great. Just because they almost lost doesn't mean they weren't one of the best ever. The Yankees almost blew the ALCS in 1998 until The Duke rescued them. There are many great teams. I don't remember saying they were better than the 1927 Yankees or the other teams. The 1986 Mets were great, no ifs, ands, or butts.

They were also incredibly strong drinkers and sniffers of coke.

Silliness.

You cannot compare being down 2 games to 1 early in a series to being down 3 games to 2 with the Red Sox up by 2 runs, 2 outs, nobody on, 1 out away from winning the World Series in 6. On top of that, jumping out to a 3-0 lead in game 7 only to blow it late again.

I never said the '86 Mets weren't a great team. I said they weren't one of the greatest teams of all time, and they weren't.
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We essentially agree. I'm not saying they're in the top three to five best teams of all time. They're in the top 10% of best teams, I bet, if we did a careful analysis.

I'm just saying they were great and a series with the 1998 Yankees wouldn't have been a lock for the Yankees.

Additional props go to them for being in the pre-1993/1998 expansion era and playing in the non-Wild Card, two division per league format. That can be countered with they didn't have to play an NLDS, but just making the playoffs back then was a big accomplishment. They were expected to become a dynasty, but the front office, cocaine, and Orel messed up those plans.

The 1998 Yankees are the best team I have seen in my lifetime. I'm not going to discuss the 1975 Reds since I was two months old for that World Series. The 1986 Mets are right up there for teams I watched fairly regularly (regular season) and every game (playoffs) in my lifetime.

And you're right, they wouldn't have won had Boston not completely choked away the series. They would have gone down as one of the teams with the most potential to be great, but were not able to meet expectations. Not to compare them to this year's Patriots, but it would have been similar in that you can't call a team great or one of the best, if they can't win it all. They were certainly a hell of a lot better than the 116 win Mariners, even if they hadn't beaten Boston.

The actual bottomline of this whole discussion is that Vinnie brought up the starting five and I will contend that the 1986 Mets starting five was stronger from top to bottom, "has"(tm) much as I love the 1998 starting five (prefer it with Mendoza over Irabu) too.
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I'm not reading all that sh*t. I read the first few lines and I agree. So let's just roll with that.
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The most amazing thing that staff did was in '98 and '99 when they faced the very good offensive Rangers in the ALDS and in six games the Yanks only allowed 2 runs to them.
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