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Dodgers want veteran OFer; may be willing to deal youngsters
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Torre didn't want Milton Bradley.

yeah, that was real bad wasn't it...

According to the Dallas Morning News, Milton Bradley attempted to confront Royals television announcer Ryan Lefebvre in the press box following Wednesday's game due to what he believed were unfair comments made on the air.

What guys like Milton Bradley and Jose Guillen don't get is eventually their immense talent won't be enough. Teams will finally stop giving them chances and they will be unofficially blackballed from the big leagues.

Look at Carl Everett. He's now a veteran on the Long Island Ducks. Apparently that has really humbled him and he has finally grown up. He's a team leader. It's too late though. He blew the second half of his MLB career.
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Torre didn't want Milton Bradley.

yeah, that was real bad wasn't it...

According to the Dallas Morning News, Milton Bradley attempted to confront Royals television announcer Ryan Lefebvre in the press box following Wednesday's game due to what he believed were unfair comments made on the air.

We need that kind of fire.

Think about it, imagine if he confronted Michael Kay and got one of his buddies to "take care of him"?
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Torre didn't want Milton Bradley.

yeah, that was real bad wasn't it...

According to the Dallas Morning News, Milton Bradley attempted to confront Royals television announcer Ryan Lefebvre in the press box following Wednesday's game due to what he believed were unfair comments made on the air.

We need that kind of fire.

Think about it, imagine if he confronted Michael Kay and got one of his buddies to "take care of him"?

Stop your nonsense. That's not fire..that's not about the team. Paul O'Neill had a fire to win. Milton Bradley has a fire to destroy his career. That's a distraction and nothing more.
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Drew, Jr. has gotten very sarcastic in his old age. They taught him sarcasm at journalism school.
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Drew, Jr. has gotten very sarcastic in his old age. They taught him sarcasm at journalism school.

Apparently so.
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Torre didn't want Milton Bradley.

yeah, that was real bad wasn't it...

According to the Dallas Morning News, Milton Bradley attempted to confront Royals television announcer Ryan Lefebvre in the press box following Wednesday's game due to what he believed were unfair comments made on the air.

We need that kind of fire.

Think about it, imagine if he confronted Michael Kay and got one of his buddies to "take care of him"?

Stop your nonsense. That's not fire..that's not about the team. Paul O'Neill had a fire to win. Milton Bradley has a fire to destroy his career. That's a distraction and nothing more.

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Torre didn't want Milton Bradley.

yeah, that was real bad wasn't it...

According to the Dallas Morning News, Milton Bradley attempted to confront Royals television announcer Ryan Lefebvre in the press box following Wednesday's game due to what he believed were unfair comments made on the air.

We need that kind of fire.

Think about it, imagine if he confronted Michael Kay and got one of his buddies to "take care of him"?

Stop your nonsense. That's not fire..that's not about the team. Paul O'Neill had a fire to win. Milton Bradley has a fire to destroy his career. That's a distraction and nothing more.

:blahblah:

Good comeback.
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Torre didn't want Milton Bradley.

yeah, that was real bad wasn't it...

According to the Dallas Morning News, Milton Bradley attempted to confront Royals television announcer Ryan Lefebvre in the press box following Wednesday's game due to what he believed were unfair comments made on the air.

We need that kind of fire.

Think about it, imagine if he confronted Michael Kay and got one of his buddies to "take care of him"?

Stop your nonsense. That's not fire..that's not about the team. Paul O'Neill had a fire to win. Milton Bradley has a fire to destroy his career. That's a distraction and nothing more.

:blahblah:

Good comeback.

You're such a grumpy old man.
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Torre didn't want Milton Bradley.

yeah, that was real bad wasn't it...

According to the Dallas Morning News, Milton Bradley attempted to confront Royals television announcer Ryan Lefebvre in the press box following Wednesday's game due to what he believed were unfair comments made on the air.

We need that kind of fire.

Think about it, imagine if he confronted Michael Kay and got one of his buddies to "take care of him"?

Stop your nonsense. That's not fire..that's not about the team. Paul O'Neill had a fire to win. Milton Bradley has a fire to destroy his career. That's a distraction and nothing more.

:blahblah:

Good comeback.

You're such a grumpy old man.

You're the one spewing sarcasm and vitrial © Michael Kay.
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I just thought of a 23 year old set up man that might make this conversation interesting.  How about Raphael Perez from the Indians?

That certainly makes more sense since he could be around for the long run, although he's not 23. He's 26.

Why would the Indians deal him?

Because Guttierez and Dellucci have been terrible.

Forget fire. Right now Milton Bradley is the best position player in the american league. Statistically it isn't even really close. If he could have been acquired for nothing and wasn't then it was a bad decision. So he doesn't fall in line and gets himself suspended and is oft injured, so what? Its not like he's expensive. As far as veteran players go he's probably the best bargain in baseball talent wise. He always plays hard and wants to win. You deal with him being an asshole.
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Torre didn't want Milton Bradley.

yeah, that was real bad wasn't it...

According to the Dallas Morning News, Milton Bradley attempted to confront Royals television announcer Ryan Lefebvre in the press box following Wednesday's game due to what he believed were unfair comments made on the air.

We need that kind of fire.

Think about it, imagine if he confronted Michael Kay and got one of his buddies to "take care of him"?

Stop your nonsense. That's not fire..that's not about the team. Paul O'Neill had a fire to win. Milton Bradley has a fire to destroy his career. That's a distraction and nothing more.

:blahblah:

Good comeback.

You're such a grumpy old man.

You're the one spewing sarcasm and vitrial © Michael Kay.

I was talking about violence towards Michael Kay. Where's the harm in that?
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Right now Milton Bradley is the best position player in the american league.



Seriously Homie, you're f*cking nuts with your sabremetrics. And don't go quoting me his OPS.
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Forget fire.  Right now Milton Bradley is the best position player in the american league.  Statistically it isn't even really close.  If he could have been acquired for nothing and wasn't then it was a bad decision.  So he doesn't fall in line and gets himself suspended and is oft injured, so what?  Its not like he's expensive.  As far as veteran players go he's probably the best bargain in baseball talent wise.  He always plays hard and wants to win.  You deal with him being an asshole.

It was before he went to Oakland. The concerns were his attitude and his penchant for injury. Both came to fruition.

As for best position player in the AL, I'll take his teammate Josh Hamilton. Just keep him away from the crack pipe and the bottle, and he'll be great for years to come. He destroyed his body for four plus years, yet still has amazing ability.
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Right now Milton Bradley is the best position player in the american league.



Seriously Homie, you're f*cking nuts with your sabremetrics. And don't go quoting me his OPS.

Have you even looked at the year he's having old man??? Pick any stat you want, he's the AL MVP right now.

He leads the league in Batting Average, On Base %, Slugging %, OPS, He's second in the league in walks, third in the league in runs, third in the league in doubles, 5th in the league in home runs, 7th in the league in RBI.

On pace for a .333 BA, .454 OBP, .629 SLG, 52 doubles, 37 homeruns, 117 RBI, 120 runs, and 10 steals.


If not him then who? Look at the numbers before you call people nuts or sabermatricians.
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Forget fire.  Right now Milton Bradley is the best position player in the american league.  Statistically it isn't even really close.  If he could have been acquired for nothing and wasn't then it was a bad decision.  So he doesn't fall in line and gets himself suspended and is oft injured, so what?  Its not like he's expensive.  As far as veteran players go he's probably the best bargain in baseball talent wise.  He always plays hard and wants to win.  You deal with him being an asshole.

It was before he went to Oakland. The concerns were his attitude and his penchant for injury. Both came to fruition.

As for best position player in the AL, I'll take his teammate Josh Hamilton. Just keep him away from the crack pipe and the bottle, and he'll be great for years to come. He destroyed his body for four plus years, yet still has amazing ability.

I would gladly take either one as my CFer right now, and if I was drafting a team no doubt I'd take Hamilton, but Bradley is having the better year so far.
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Hamilton's current pace:

160 games played, 659 ABs

.313 batting average, .358 OBP, .938 OPS

206 hits

112 runs scored

39 doubles, 7 triples

41 homeruns

172 RBI

Other than a terrible addiction, he's not crazy. I'd take Hamilton over Bradley. I also don't see how Bradley is a clear cut MVP, if his own teammate has equally, if not more impressive, numbers. They'd steal some votes from each other if it were to end now.

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Hamilton's current pace:

160 games played, 659 ABs

.313 batting average, .358 OBP, .938 OPS

206 hits

112 runs scored

39 doubles, 7 triples

41 homeruns

172 RBI

Other than a terrible addiction, he's not crazy. I'd take Hamilton over Bradley. I also don't see how Bradley is a clear cut MVP, if his own teammate has equally, if not more impressive, numbers. They'd steal some votes from each other if it were to end now.

Clear cut was a bad choice of words on my part. I didn't realize Hamilton had so many RBI (although the reason for that is Bradley's godly on base percentage). Like I said I'd take Hamilton over Bradley, but I take Bradleys numbers if I'm picking an MVP. You are probably right about them taking votes from eachother, but I don't see anybody except them getting consideration at the moment.
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Hamilton's current pace:

160 games played, 659 ABs

.313 batting average, .358 OBP, .938 OPS

206 hits

112 runs scored

39 doubles, 7 triples

41 homeruns

172 RBI

Other than a terrible addiction, he's not crazy.  I'd take Hamilton over Bradley.  I also don't see how Bradley is a clear cut MVP, if his own teammate has equally, if not more impressive, numbers.  They'd steal some votes from each other if it were to end now.

Clear cut was a bad choice of words on my part. I didn't realize Hamilton had so many RBI (although the reason for that is Bradley's godly on base percentage). Like I said I'd take Hamilton over Bradley, but I take Bradleys numbers if I'm picking an MVP. You are probably right about them taking votes from eachother, but I don't see anybody except them getting consideration at the moment.

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Hamilton's current pace:

160 games played, 659 ABs

.313 batting average, .358 OBP, .938 OPS

206 hits

112 runs scored

39 doubles, 7 triples

41 homeruns

172 RBI

Other than a terrible addiction, he's not crazy.  I'd take Hamilton over Bradley.  I also don't see how Bradley is a clear cut MVP, if his own teammate has equally, if not more impressive, numbers.  They'd steal some votes from each other if it were to end now.

Clear cut was a bad choice of words on my part. I didn't realize Hamilton had so many RBI (although the reason for that is Bradley's godly on base percentage). Like I said I'd take Hamilton over Bradley, but I take Bradleys numbers if I'm picking an MVP. You are probably right about them taking votes from eachother, but I don't see anybody except them getting consideration at the moment.

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Hamilton's current pace:

160 games played, 659 ABs

.313 batting average, .358 OBP, .938 OPS

206 hits

112 runs scored

39 doubles, 7 triples

41 homeruns

172 RBI

Other than a terrible addiction, he's not crazy.  I'd take Hamilton over Bradley.  I also don't see how Bradley is a clear cut MVP, if his own teammate has equally, if not more impressive, numbers.  They'd steal some votes from each other if it were to end now.

Clear cut was a bad choice of words on my part. I didn't realize Hamilton had so many RBI (although the reason for that is Bradley's godly on base percentage). Like I said I'd take Hamilton over Bradley, but I take Bradleys numbers if I'm picking an MVP. You are probably right about them taking votes from eachother, but I don't see anybody except them getting consideration at the moment.

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Care to elaborate?

Bradley as MVP? He's having a very good year..but MVP? no. Hamilton is ahead of him.
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Hamilton's current pace:

160 games played, 659 ABs

.313 batting average, .358 OBP, .938 OPS

206 hits

112 runs scored

39 doubles, 7 triples

41 homeruns

172 RBI

Other than a terrible addiction, he's not crazy.  I'd take Hamilton over Bradley.  I also don't see how Bradley is a clear cut MVP, if his own teammate has equally, if not more impressive, numbers.  They'd steal some votes from each other if it were to end now.

Clear cut was a bad choice of words on my part. I didn't realize Hamilton had so many RBI (although the reason for that is Bradley's godly on base percentage). Like I said I'd take Hamilton over Bradley, but I take Bradleys numbers if I'm picking an MVP. You are probably right about them taking votes from eachother, but I don't see anybody except them getting consideration at the moment.

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Bradley as MVP? He's having a very good year..but MVP? no. Hamilton is ahead of him.

Thank you for making a blanket statement without baking it up. Allow me to respond.


HAHA HAmilton? nice try. He's having an awesome year, but Bradley has been better.


See how unproductive that is MM?
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71 RBI :drool:
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71 RBI :drool:

exactly...

Manny is an MVP ahead of Bradley too.
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71 RBI :drool:

exactly...

Manny is an MVP ahead of Bradley too.

Manny Ramirez? ok now you are just being ridiculous.

Is RBI really the only stat you are going to look at for picking an MVP? I'm sorry, but that just shows a flat out lack of knowledge and or research. Not only is RBI a team dependent stat, but Hamilton's only competition for the award (get out of here with that Manny Ramirez crap) happens to hit in front of him and lead the league in on base % by a ridiculous margin. If anything Hamilton having 71 RBI is an argument for why Bradley should be the MVP.

MM please don't be one of those people who judges players based on how likable they are. We already have 15always for that.
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71 RBI :drool:

exactly...

Manny is an MVP ahead of Bradley too.

Manny Ramirez? ok now you are just being ridiculous.

Is RBI really the only stat you are going to look at for picking an MVP? I'm sorry, but that just shows a flat out lack of knowledge and or research. Not only is RBI a team dependent stat, but Hamilton's only competition for the award (get out of here with that Manny Ramirez crap) happens to hit in front of him and lead the league in on base % by a ridiculous margin. If anything Hamilton having 71 RBI is an argument for why Bradley should be the MVP.

MM please don't be one of those people who judges players based on how likable they are. We already have 15always for that.

Whats likeable got to do with it? I don't pick MVP based on OPS...MVP is not player of the year.
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71 RBI :drool:

exactly...

Manny is an MVP ahead of Bradley too.

Manny Ramirez? ok now you are just being ridiculous.

Is RBI really the only stat you are going to look at for picking an MVP? I'm sorry, but that just shows a flat out lack of knowledge and or research. Not only is RBI a team dependent stat, but Hamilton's only competition for the award (get out of here with that Manny Ramirez crap) happens to hit in front of him and lead the league in on base % by a ridiculous margin. If anything Hamilton having 71 RBI is an argument for why Bradley should be the MVP.

MM please don't be one of those people who judges players based on how likable they are. We already have 15always for that.

Hamilton deserves it (at this juncture). RBI is a big reason, but it's not the only reason.
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71 RBI :drool:

exactly...

Manny is an MVP ahead of Bradley too.

Manny Ramirez? ok now you are just being ridiculous.

Is RBI really the only stat you are going to look at for picking an MVP? I'm sorry, but that just shows a flat out lack of knowledge and or research. Not only is RBI a team dependent stat, but Hamilton's only competition for the award (get out of here with that Manny Ramirez crap) happens to hit in front of him and lead the league in on base % by a ridiculous margin. If anything Hamilton having 71 RBI is an argument for why Bradley should be the MVP.

MM please don't be one of those people who judges players based on how likable they are. We already have 15always for that.

Whats likeable got to do with it? I don't pick MVP based on OPS...MVP is not player of the year.

No, apparently you pick it based on RBI, whats the difference other than RBI being a less reliable stat? If anything Bradley clearly makes Hamilton a better player, wouldn't that be a great argument for his 'value'?
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71 RBI :drool:

exactly...

Manny is an MVP ahead of Bradley too.

Manny Ramirez? ok now you are just being ridiculous.

Is RBI really the only stat you are going to look at for picking an MVP? I'm sorry, but that just shows a flat out lack of knowledge and or research. Not only is RBI a team dependent stat, but Hamilton's only competition for the award (get out of here with that Manny Ramirez crap) happens to hit in front of him and lead the league in on base % by a ridiculous margin. If anything Hamilton having 71 RBI is an argument for why Bradley should be the MVP.

MM please don't be one of those people who judges players based on how likable they are. We already have 15always for that.

Hamilton deserves it (at this juncture). RBI is a big reason, but it's not the only reason.

what are the others?
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His OPS is still top-five, leads the league home runs, second in hits.
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Homie - Manny Ramirez? ok now you are just being ridiculous.


So .305/.561/950 with 15 HR 48 RBI, 42 runs, scored .322 RISP is no good?

And his numbers on the road are better than Fenway.
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