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Dodgers want veteran OFer; may be willing to deal youngsters
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Torre won't help us out. He's holding a grudge like a school girl.

What is this, the NFL?

MM, Homie and Matty you're crazy if you think Coletti runs that team. He's not being paid 15 million to just "manage." Schmucks.

Daddy is the boss! He tells the other mans what to do!
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Torre won't help us out. He's holding a grudge like a school girl.

What is this, the NFL?

MM, Homie and Matty you're crazy if you think Coletti runs that team. He's not being paid 15 million to just "manage." Schmucks.

Daddy is the boss! He tells the other mans what to do!

You dipshit. For years Cashman had to run things by Torre before he made a move. Get your head outta yer ass JACKOV.
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Torre won't help us out. He's holding a grudge like a school girl.

What is this, the NFL?

MM, Homie and Matty you're crazy if you think Coletti runs that team. He's not being paid 15 million to just "manage." Schmucks.

Daddy is the boss! He tells the other mans what to do!

You dipshit. For years Cashman had to run things by Torre before he made a move. Get your head outta yer ass JACKOV.

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

Cashman had to run it by George and Tampa,not Torre.
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Torre won't help us out. He's holding a grudge like a school girl.

What is this, the NFL?

MM, Homie and Matty you're crazy if you think Coletti runs that team. He's not being paid 15 million to just "manage." Schmucks.

Daddy is the boss! He tells the other mans what to do!

You dipshit. For years Cashman had to run things by Torre before he made a move. Get your head outta yer ass JACKOV.

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

Cashman had to run it by George and Tampa,not Torre.

Are you honestly telling me with a straight face that Torre didn't have major input on roster moves?
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Torre won't help us out. He's holding a grudge like a school girl.

What is this, the NFL?

MM, Homie and Matty you're crazy if you think Coletti runs that team. He's not being paid 15 million to just "manage." Schmucks.

Daddy is the boss! He tells the other mans what to do!

You dipshit. For years Cashman had to run things by Torre before he made a move. Get your head outta yer ass JACKOV.

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

Cashman had to run it by George and Tampa,not Torre.

Are you honestly telling me with a straight face that Torre didn't have major input on roster moves?

If he did then your Cashman bashing and Torre blow jobbing contradict echother.


And yes, I'm saying that wasn't the case. He had too much input, but not major.
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Every GM discusses personnel moves with his manager (Omar and Willie meet all the time), but that's mostly for roster moves with the minor leagues, and for his opinion on other moves. Torre did NOT have to approve all of Cashman's moves, and even if he did, you make concessions when you go to a new organization. You're lost if you think Torre is the main man in LA LA land.
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Torre didn't want Milton Bradley.
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Jun 11 2008, 10:26 PM
Torre didn't want Milton Bradley.

Why am I not surprised?
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You guys are totally stupid if you believe Torre didn't have major input on the Yankees roster moves, trades, signing, etc. How many times did Cashman say "we talked to Joe and got his approval" after every trade and signing?
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Jun 11 2008, 10:31 PM
You guys are totally stupid if you believe Torre didn't have major input on the Yankees roster moves, trades, signing, etc.  How many times did Cashman say "we talked to Joe and got his approval" after every trade and signing?

I agree that he had too much input, but input isn't the same as authority. Every GM asks their manager about deals. I'm sure even Billy Beane them by his managers.
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Isn't Coletti the one that hired Torre?
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Between Damon's arm and Abreu's everything I changed my mind about Melky for Marte.
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You guys are totally stupid if you believe Torre didn't have major input on the Yankees roster moves, trades, signing, etc. How many times did Cashman say "we talked to Joe and got his approval" after every trade and signing?

Of course that happened, but he sure as hell didn't have final say on all moves. Of course a GM is going to run moves by his manager, considering the manager is the one making out the lineup card.

Again, even if he somehow did have complete authority on the Yankees, which we all know is complete BS, do you believe that he has that type of authority with the Dodgers?
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Jun 11 2008, 11:34 PM
Isn't Coletti the one that hired Torre?

Yes, and then he subsequently handed all of his authority over to him.

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Between Damon's arm and Abreu's everything I changed my mind about Melky for Marte.


Melky is the best outfielder on the team, and as much as I like infusing youth onto the roster, you can't just assume Gardner and Jackson will be MLB players until they come up here and actually show they can be. Melky is, whether it's as a starter at any of the three positions, or as a top 4th outfielder. Will Marte make the difference this year, making it worth sacrificing the Yankees' best defensive outfielder? I say not a chance.
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Isn't Coletti the one that hired Torre?

Yes, and then he subsequently handed all of his authority over to him.

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Between Damon's arm and Abreu's everything I changed my mind about Melky for Marte.


Melky is the best outfielder on the team, and as much as I like infusing youth onto the roster, you can't just assume Gardner and Jackson will be MLB players until they come up here and actually show they can be. Melky is, whether it's as a starter at any of the three positions, or as a top 4th outfielder. Will Marte make the difference this year, making it worth sacrificing the Yankees' best defensive outfielder? I say not a chance.

Gardner isn't going to lose anything defensively though, and Melky is hitting so poorly right now that its extremely unlikely Gardner would be so much of a downgrade that Marte wouldn't be worth it. After this season it gets a bit hairy, which is why I would be on the fence with such a move.
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You don't trade a 23 year old outfielder for a 33 year old setup man if it's not going to put you over the top this year. It's not. You say after this year is when it gets hairy, but that's the whole point. Why deal Melky now and regret it later?

Remember when Melky came up? Granted he was 20 and was a week out of AA, but he wasn't ready. I don't know if handing the keys over to a guy who has never appeared in a MLB game is the best idea. That's a move that signifies giving up this year, which furthers my point that it makes no sense to deal a 23 year old for a middle reliever.

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You don't trade a 23 year old outfielder for a 33 year old setup man if it's not going to put you over the top this year. It's not. You say after this year is when it gets hairy, but that's the whole point. Why deal Melky now and regret it later?

Remember when Melky came up? Granted he was 20 and was a week out of AA, but he wasn't ready. I don't know if handing the keys over to a guy who has never appeared in a MLB game is the best idea. That's a move that signifies giving up this year, which furthers my point that it makes no sense to deal a 23 year old for a middle reliever.

Gardner is older than Melky is now, and he's way more polished than Melky was then. He isn't going to have the problems Melky had coming up. Even if he does you have Damon. You have Damon next year too for that matter. I agree though. I've always found Marte and all lefty specialists over rated. I can't agree with your 'don't trade a 23 year old for a 33 year old set up man' philosophy though. I would trade Melky for Fuentes in a second.
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Well Fuentes I would consider. He's a closer who would be a setup man. That's a completely different story.
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Jun 11 2008, 11:03 PM
Well Fuentes I would consider.  He's a closer who would be a setup man.  That's a completely different story.

so if Corpas was still the closer you wouldn't trade Melky for Fuentes? Also Fuentes probably still doesn't put the Yankees over the top this year.
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Cubs have anything we could use? Soriano broke his hand, out 6 weeks min.
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Well Fuentes I would consider.  He's a closer who would be a setup man.  That's a completely different story.

so if Corpas was still the closer you wouldn't trade Melky for Fuentes? Also Fuentes probably still doesn't put the Yankees over the top this year.

You know that's not what I meant. If doesn't matter if Corpas was still the closer. Fuentes was the closer long-term.

Yeah, he wouldn't put them over the edge, and is about Marte's age, so I would have to think about it. I'd still lean towards no, but be a lot more open to the idea than Marte.
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Well Fuentes I would consider.  He's a closer who would be a setup man.  That's a completely different story.

so if Corpas was still the closer you wouldn't trade Melky for Fuentes? Also Fuentes probably still doesn't put the Yankees over the top this year.

You know that's not what I meant. If doesn't matter if Corpas was still the closer. Fuentes was the closer long-term.

Yeah, he wouldn't put them over the edge, and is about Marte's age, so I would have to think about it. I'd still lean towards no, but be a lot more open to the idea than Marte.

I feel the way you do about fuentes about marte. No way I turn down Melky for Fuentes if I was lucky enough to get that offer.
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I just thought of a 23 year old set up man that might make this conversation interesting. How about Raphael Perez from the Indians?
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Jun 12 2008, 12:38 AM
I just thought of a 23 year old set up man that might make this conversation interesting.  How about Raphael Perez from the Indians?

That certainly makes more sense since he could be around for the long run, although he's not 23. He's 26.
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I just thought of a 23 year old set up man that might make this conversation interesting.  How about Raphael Perez from the Indians?

That certainly makes more sense since he could be along for the long run, although he's not 23. He's 26.

26 you say. Interesting :think:
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If the Yankees throw in the price of his buyout, Giambi becomes a very affordable 17 million dollar slugger. An OF of Melky/Gardner, Kemp, Abreu with an infield of A-Rod, Jeter, Cano, Loney with Damon DHing and a bench of Melky/Gardner, Betemit, Gonzalez, Molina would be a pretty solid all around team.
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If the Yankees throw in the price of his buyout, Giambi becomes a very affordable 17 million dollar slugger. An OF of Melky/Gardner, Kemp, Abreu with an infield of A-Rod, Jeter, Cano, Loney with Damon DHing and a bench of Melky/Gardner, Betemit, Gonzalez, Molina would be a pretty solid all around team.

Is the deal Giambi, Matsui, and cash for Kemp and Loney? Sign me up.
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I can't see the Dodgers trading both of them. I'd actually be shocked if they trade either of them.
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I just thought of a 23 year old set up man that might make this conversation interesting.  How about Raphael Perez from the Indians?

That certainly makes more sense since he could be around for the long run, although he's not 23. He's 26.

Why would the Indians deal him?
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Torre didn't want Milton Bradley.

yeah, that was real bad wasn't it...

According to the Dallas Morning News, Milton Bradley attempted to confront Royals television announcer Ryan Lefebvre in the press box following Wednesday's game due to what he believed were unfair comments made on the air.
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