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Enlight of what's happened; concerning Joe Torre
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Topic Started: Oct 11 2007, 11:49 AM (227 Views)
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Oct 11 2007, 11:49 AM
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What do you guys think of the players, such as Mo and Andy speaking out in the media saying they will wait and see what happens to Joe before making a decision on there respected futures. Do you think it has any weight with the brass on there decision to keep Joe?
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Oct 11 2007, 02:40 PM
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Is there any fight left in the dog.....?
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What do you guys think of the players, such as Mo and Andy speaking out in the media saying they will wait and see what happens to Joe before making a decision on there respected futures. Do you think it has any weight with the brass on there decision to keep Joe?
Feck that. "I'll only play for Joe, cause he's nice to me" crap. Make a feckin decision and live with it, regardless what happens with Clueless Joe! Let them walk...they don't get to decide who manages them...its not their call!
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Oct 11 2007, 02:56 PM
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What if it were A-Rod? Would you feel the same way?
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Oct 11 2007, 04:55 PM
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I'm very disappointed in them, especially Mo, and I think they're being a bunch of babies about it.
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Oct 11 2007, 05:09 PM
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I'm very disappointed in them, especially Mo, and I think they're being a bunch of babies about it.
Yeah. How dare they show loyalty to a manager of 12 years...not to menion I am sure they are very good friends as well. Give me a f*cking break. Look, I think Joe has progressed into a very mediocre manager, and I think it's time to part ways with him, but I think it shows alot that Mo is standing by Torre...However, I think Mo needs to realize that baseball is for the f*cking fans...because without them, there is no pro baseball. Mo should show some loyalty to the fans as well.
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Oct 11 2007, 05:40 PM
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I'm very disappointed in them, especially Mo, and I think they're being a bunch of babies about it.
Yeah. How dare they show loyalty to a manager of 12 years...not to menion I am sure they are very good friends as well. Give me a f*cking break. Look, I think Joe has progressed into a very mediocre manager, and I think it's time to part ways with him, but I think it shows alot that Mo is standing by Torre...However, I think Mo needs to realize that baseball is for the f*cking fans...because without them, there is no pro baseball. Mo should show some loyalty to the fans as well.
It's not his team, he doesn't make the decision. I don't give a shet if he feels bad for Joe or if he's a friend of his or not. They have to realize this is George's team, not theirs, they don't call the shots. If he wants to leave, fine, I don't want a malcontent here anyway and that's what he would be. I just think they're being idiots and nothing is going to change my mind about that. Joe has lasted longer than any manager in recent Yankee history, now it's simply just time for a change. If the veterans can't realize that, feck 'em, let them walk. This orginzation can't move forward with Joe at the helm.
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Oct 11 2007, 06:50 PM
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Steinbrenner said if they lost he'd be out. They lost. So where's the announcement? If they are going to do it then do it. If they are going to keep him then announce that.
But making a guy like Joe Torre twist like this is just wrong. They need to make a decision by tomorrow and announce it one way or the other.
Torre just doesn't deserve this no matter how we feel about him between the lines.
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Oct 11 2007, 07:18 PM
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Mariano Rivera has been an annoying little bitch since last offseason. He's doing this for leverage, not loyalty and I don't care what anybody says. As fans we owe him all the respect in the world for being arguably the most important Yankee from the Dynasty teams, but he picked a really annoying time to start acting like a big shot.
As for the other guys, if sincere I don't care what they say. I'm fine with them being honest and they should be. Same goes for Rivera I guess, but I've made my beliefs clear on that.
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Oct 11 2007, 07:36 PM
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What if it were A-Rod? Would you feel the same way?
YES.....No Special treatment! WTF is wrong with you people! Next they will only practice on Monday, Wednesday, and every other Friday if its sunny and 80 degrees with the wind gusting no more than 10-15 mph. This posturing CANNOT be tolerated....and George realizes that! They get paid to play...not make front office decisions!
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Oct 11 2007, 07:39 PM
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Steinbrenner said if they lost he'd be out. They lost. So where's the announcement? If they are going to do it then do it. If they are going to keep him then announce that.
But making a guy like Joe Torre twist like this is just wrong. They need to make a decision by tomorrow and announce it one way or the other.
Torre just doesn't deserve this no matter how we feel about him between the lines.
f*ck him! He's made us all sick to our stomachs too many times to count already with his IDIOTIC decisions in critical game situations...let the mo fo twist a little!
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Oct 11 2007, 08:00 PM
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What if it were A-Rod? Would you feel the same way?
YES.....No Special treatment! WTF is wrong with you people! Next they will only practice on Monday, Wednesday, and every other Friday if its sunny and 80 degrees with the wind gusting no more than 10-15 mph. This posturing CANNOT be tolerated....and George realizes that! They get paid to play...not make front office decisions!
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Oct 11 2007, 10:39 PM
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Steinbrenner said if they lost he'd be out. They lost. So where's the announcement? If they are going to do it then do it. If they are going to keep him then announce that.
But making a guy like Joe Torre twist like this is just wrong. They need to make a decision by tomorrow and announce it one way or the other.
Torre just doesn't deserve this no matter how we feel about him between the lines.
:watery: Oh my God, you are right! :watery:
:watery: Poor millionaire Joe Torre! :watery:
:watery: What on earth is this millionaire going to do? :watery:
:watery: He has to wait 7 days to find out of he has a job to or not? :watery:
:watery: How will millionaire Joe feed his kids? :watery:
:watery: He needs an answer...NOW!! :watery:
:watery: Before unemployment drives him and his millions into a deep depression. :watery:
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Oct 11 2007, 10:49 PM
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Steinbrenner said if they lost he'd be out. They lost. So where's the announcement? If they are going to do it then do it. If they are going to keep him then announce that.
But making a guy like Joe Torre twist like this is just wrong. They need to make a decision by tomorrow and announce it one way or the other.
Torre just doesn't deserve this no matter how we feel about him between the lines. :watery: Oh my God, you are right! :watery: :watery: Poor millionaire Joe Torre! :watery: :watery: What on earth is this millionaire going to do? :watery: :watery: He has to wait 7 days to find out of he has a job to or not? :watery: :watery: How will millionaire Joe feed his kids? :watery: :watery: He needs an answer...NOW!! :watery: :watery: Before unemployment drives him and his millions into a deep depression. :watery:
:rauch: Joe's sittin pretty. :rauch:
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Oct 11 2007, 11:01 PM
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Steinbrenner said if they lost he'd be out. They lost. So where's the announcement? If they are going to do it then do it. If they are going to keep him then announce that.
But making a guy like Joe Torre twist like this is just wrong. They need to make a decision by tomorrow and announce it one way or the other.
Torre just doesn't deserve this no matter how we feel about him between the lines. :watery: Oh my God, you are right! :watery: :watery: Poor millionaire Joe Torre! :watery: :watery: What on earth is this millionaire going to do? :watery: :watery: He has to wait 7 days to find out of he has a job to or not? :watery: :watery: How will millionaire Joe feed his kids? :watery: :watery: He needs an answer...NOW!! :watery: :watery: Before unemployment drives him and his millions into a deep depression. :watery:
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Oct 12 2007, 12:28 AM
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Steinbrenner said if they lost he'd be out. They lost. So where's the announcement? If they are going to do it then do it. If they are going to keep him then announce that.
But making a guy like Joe Torre twist like this is just wrong. They need to make a decision by tomorrow and announce it one way or the other.
Torre just doesn't deserve this no matter how we feel about him between the lines. :watery: Oh my God, you are right! :watery: :watery: Poor millionaire Joe Torre! :watery: :watery: What on earth is this millionaire going to do? :watery: :watery: He has to wait 7 days to find out of he has a job to or not? :watery: :watery: How will millionaire Joe feed his kids? :watery: :watery: He needs an answer...NOW!! :watery: :watery: Before unemployment drives him and his millions into a deep depression. :watery:
Rob, stop it or Suzyn Waldman will start crying again.
The weeping and wailing for Joe Torre produces a pain in a anatomical part only seen in XXX rated movies. The guy is worth more than most people see in a lifetime. Enough!
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Oct 12 2007, 07:05 PM
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Rob, stop it or Suzyn Waldman will start crying again.
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Steinbrenner said if they lost he'd be out. They lost. So where's the announcement? If they are going to do it then do it. If they are going to keep him then announce that.
But making a guy like Joe Torre twist like this is just wrong. They need to make a decision by tomorrow and announce it one way or the other.
Torre just doesn't deserve this no matter how we feel about him between the lines. :watery: Oh my God, you are right! :watery: :watery: Poor millionaire Joe Torre! :watery: :watery: What on earth is this millionaire going to do? :watery: :watery: He has to wait 7 days to find out of he has a job to or not? :watery: :watery: How will millionaire Joe feed his kids? :watery: :watery: He needs an answer...NOW!! :watery: :watery: Before unemployment drives him and his millions into a deep depression. :watery:
That's hilarious. You guys are pretty amusing. But I stand by what I said. It has nothing to do with how much money he makes or has. Torre has done nothing but act with respect and class all of these years. He deserves to be treated with respect, and to go out the same way if it comes to that.
They've had all year to decide what they wanted to do. Certainly they didn't just start thinking about it after they lost the first two games.
Make a decision. Get it over with. Show him the same respect he's shown you all these years. It's not about the money. I'm a little surprised you don't see that. But not really all that surprised. :dunno:
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Steinbrenner said if they lost he'd be out. They lost. So where's the announcement? If they are going to do it then do it. If they are going to keep him then announce that.
But making a guy like Joe Torre twist like this is just wrong. They need to make a decision by tomorrow and announce it one way or the other.
Torre just doesn't deserve this no matter how we feel about him between the lines. :watery: Oh my God, you are right! :watery: :watery: Poor millionaire Joe Torre! :watery: :watery: What on earth is this millionaire going to do? :watery: :watery: He has to wait 7 days to find out of he has a job to or not? :watery: :watery: How will millionaire Joe feed his kids? :watery: :watery: He needs an answer...NOW!! :watery: :watery: Before unemployment drives him and his millions into a deep depression. :watery:
That's hilarious. You guys are pretty amusing. But I stand by what I said. It has nothing to do with how much money he makes or has. Torre has done nothing but act with respect and class all of these years. He deserves to be treated with respect, and to go out the same way if it comes to that. They've had all year to decide what they wanted to do. Certainly they didn't just start thinking about it after they lost the first two games. Make a decision. Get it over with. Show him the same respect he's shown you all these years. It's not about the money. I'm a little surprised you don't see that. But not really all that surprised. :dunno:
This isn't like picking what kind of mustard to surve at the stadium. They are making a very important decision regarding who will be the manager of the team. They don't have to rush because fans are impatient and Joe is nice. It would be nice for Joe if he knew now, but the team comes first.
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Steinbrenner said if they lost he'd be out. They lost. So where's the announcement? If they are going to do it then do it. If they are going to keep him then announce that.
But making a guy like Joe Torre twist like this is just wrong. They need to make a decision by tomorrow and announce it one way or the other.
Torre just doesn't deserve this no matter how we feel about him between the lines. :watery: Oh my God, you are right! :watery: :watery: Poor millionaire Joe Torre! :watery: :watery: What on earth is this millionaire going to do? :watery: :watery: He has to wait 7 days to find out of he has a job to or not? :watery: :watery: How will millionaire Joe feed his kids? :watery: :watery: He needs an answer...NOW!! :watery: :watery: Before unemployment drives him and his millions into a deep depression. :watery:
That's hilarious. You guys are pretty amusing. But I stand by what I said. It has nothing to do with how much money he makes or has. Torre has done nothing but act with respect and class all of these years. He deserves to be treated with respect, and to go out the same way if it comes to that. They've had all year to decide what they wanted to do. Certainly they didn't just start thinking about it after they lost the first two games. Make a decision. Get it over with. Show him the same respect he's shown you all these years. It's not about the money. I'm a little surprised you don't see that. But not really all that surprised. :dunno:
This isn't like picking what kind of mustard to surve at the stadium. They are making a very important decision regarding who will be the manager of the team. They don't have to rush because fans are impatient and Joe is nice. It would be nice for Joe if he knew now, but the team comes first.
Lets not underestimate the importance of the right mustard on a corned beef sandwich.
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Oct 13 2007, 09:42 AM
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Steinbrenner said if they lost he'd be out. They lost. So where's the announcement? If they are going to do it then do it. If they are going to keep him then announce that.
But making a guy like Joe Torre twist like this is just wrong. They need to make a decision by tomorrow and announce it one way or the other.
Torre just doesn't deserve this no matter how we feel about him between the lines. :watery: Oh my God, you are right! :watery: :watery: Poor millionaire Joe Torre! :watery: :watery: What on earth is this millionaire going to do? :watery: :watery: He has to wait 7 days to find out of he has a job to or not? :watery: :watery: How will millionaire Joe feed his kids? :watery: :watery: He needs an answer...NOW!! :watery: :watery: Before unemployment drives him and his millions into a deep depression. :watery:
That's hilarious. You guys are pretty amusing. But I stand by what I said. It has nothing to do with how much money he makes or has. Torre has done nothing but act with respect and class all of these years. He deserves to be treated with respect, and to go out the same way if it comes to that. They've had all year to decide what they wanted to do. Certainly they didn't just start thinking about it after they lost the first two games. Make a decision. Get it over with. Show him the same respect he's shown you all these years. It's not about the money. I'm a little surprised you don't see that. But not really all that surprised. :dunno:
This isn't like picking what kind of mustard to surve at the stadium. They are making a very important decision regarding who will be the manager of the team. They don't have to rush because fans are impatient and Joe is nice. It would be nice for Joe if he knew now, but the team comes first.
Lets not underestimate the importance of the right mustard on a corned beef sandwich.
Gotta be Guldens brown. :thumbup:
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Steinbrenner said if they lost he'd be out. They lost. So where's the announcement? If they are going to do it then do it. If they are going to keep him then announce that.
But making a guy like Joe Torre twist like this is just wrong. They need to make a decision by tomorrow and announce it one way or the other.
Torre just doesn't deserve this no matter how we feel about him between the lines. :watery: Oh my God, you are right! :watery: :watery: Poor millionaire Joe Torre! :watery: :watery: What on earth is this millionaire going to do? :watery: :watery: He has to wait 7 days to find out of he has a job to or not? :watery: :watery: How will millionaire Joe feed his kids? :watery: :watery: He needs an answer...NOW!! :watery: :watery: Before unemployment drives him and his millions into a deep depression. :watery:
That's hilarious. You guys are pretty amusing. But I stand by what I said. It has nothing to do with how much money he makes or has. Torre has done nothing but act with respect and class all of these years. He deserves to be treated with respect, and to go out the same way if it comes to that. They've had all year to decide what they wanted to do. Certainly they didn't just start thinking about it after they lost the first two games. Make a decision. Get it over with. Show him the same respect he's shown you all these years. It's not about the money. I'm a little surprised you don't see that. But not really all that surprised. :dunno:
This isn't like picking what kind of mustard to surve at the stadium. They are making a very important decision regarding who will be the manager of the team. They don't have to rush because fans are impatient and Joe is nice. It would be nice for Joe if he knew now, but the team comes first.
You're right homie the team does come first and it really doesn't matter how long that decision takes especially if they are considering a classless slob like LaRussa who has no business being in NY but that's another issue....
What was totally classless was the comments prior to the game by Steinbrenner. Torre didn't deserve that and those comments should never have been made public. Torre does deserve to be treated with respect ~ the same respect he's shown Steinbrenner all these years but George is George. If those comments were never made public then no one would be having this discussion on whether Torre should be treated this way or not.
Ideally what should have happened is this.... Being his contract is up anyway ~ they should have went to him and told him of their plans (if they aren't bringing him back) and then let him leave on his own giving him the total respect he does deserve by those of us who do believe this and giving all the Torre haters more to hate. Everyone then is satisfied.
And sorry ~ I do disagree with you boys. It's a great gesture by those Yankees who have enough balls to say something regarding Torre. You boys might not like him but it does show what kind of man and yea manager he is. Sorry but LaRussa doesn't cut it nor will he ever have that kind of respect from his players ~ maybe his bottle though...
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If he stays he has to take a pay cut. The guy has been the highest paid manager in baseball and three consective years we haven't advanced past the 1st round. If we're going to bash guys like Giambi for not living up to their contract why is Torre excempt from the same kind of criticism?
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If he stays he has to take a pay cut. The guy has been the highest paid manager in baseball and three consective years we haven't advanced past the 1st round. If we're going to bash guys like Giambi for not living up to their contract why is Torre excempt from the same kind of criticism?
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Steinbrenner said if they lost he'd be out. They lost. So where's the announcement? If they are going to do it then do it. If they are going to keep him then announce that.
But making a guy like Joe Torre twist like this is just wrong. They need to make a decision by tomorrow and announce it one way or the other.
Torre just doesn't deserve this no matter how we feel about him between the lines. :watery: Oh my God, you are right! :watery: :watery: Poor millionaire Joe Torre! :watery: :watery: What on earth is this millionaire going to do? :watery: :watery: He has to wait 7 days to find out of he has a job to or not? :watery: :watery: How will millionaire Joe feed his kids? :watery: :watery: He needs an answer...NOW!! :watery: :watery: Before unemployment drives him and his millions into a deep depression. :watery:
That's hilarious. You guys are pretty amusing. But I stand by what I said. It has nothing to do with how much money he makes or has. Torre has done nothing but act with respect and class all of these years. He deserves to be treated with respect, and to go out the same way if it comes to that. They've had all year to decide what they wanted to do. Certainly they didn't just start thinking about it after they lost the first two games. Make a decision. Get it over with. Show him the same respect he's shown you all these years. It's not about the money. I'm a little surprised you don't see that. But not really all that surprised. :dunno:
This isn't like picking what kind of mustard to surve at the stadium. They are making a very important decision regarding who will be the manager of the team. They don't have to rush because fans are impatient and Joe is nice. It would be nice for Joe if he knew now, but the team comes first.
You're right homie the team does come first and it really doesn't matter how long that decision takes especially if they are considering a classless slob like LaRussa who has no business being in NY but that's another issue.... What was totally classless was the comments prior to the game by Steinbrenner. Torre didn't deserve that and those comments should never have been made public. Torre does deserve to be treated with respect ~ the same respect he's shown Steinbrenner all these years but George is George. If those comments were never made public then no one would be having this discussion on whether Torre should be treated this way or not. Ideally what should have happened is this.... Being his contract is up anyway ~ they should have went to him and told him of their plans (if they aren't bringing him back) and then let him leave on his own giving him the total respect he does deserve by those of us who do believe this and giving all the Torre haters more to hate. Everyone then is satisfied. And sorry ~ I do disagree with you boys. It's a great gesture by those Yankees who have enough balls to say something regarding Torre. You boys might not like him but it does show what kind of man and yea manager he is. Sorry but LaRussa doesn't cut it nor will he ever have that kind of respect from his players ~ maybe his bottle though...
Agreed on all counts. Also I supported their rights to stick up for Joe and say they might not be back if he's gone. I've advised teammates to do the same thing with college coaches. Its their right. I believe Rivera is doing it for leverage, but thats just a personal opinion and of course I could be wrong.
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Oct 14 2007, 10:12 PM
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If he stays he has to take a pay cut. The guy has been the highest paid manager in baseball and three consective years we haven't advanced past the 1st round. If we're going to bash guys like Giambi for not living up to their contract why is Torre excempt from the same kind of criticism?
I would never disagree with that. Carl Pavano should be forced to give back all the money the Yankees have paid him. There should be some kind of payback for not living up to your reputation... job... performance... etc... whatever you want to call it in regards to baseball. I've been saying this for years.
Baseball isn't like that and as I have been repeatedly told by many MLB's union would never allow such a stipulation. In Torre's case how can anyone argue that he has underachieved? Before you go nuts ~ anyone but Yankee brass and Yankee fans. Meaning if you asked any Met fan or any fan of any other team a hypothetical question like... "How would you like it if your team made the playoffs the last 12 years and won 4 WS and 6 Championship Series?", what do you think their answer would be? Any fan of any other team would be yelling hell yeah. Torre underachieved only because the team is the New York Yankees not for any other reason.
Again I'm not saying it's not time for the Yankees and Torre to part ways and I'm not saying it is either. It's more than the team that he manages and his replacement has to be some of what he is in order to have the success that he has had.
If anyone wants a guy like LaRussa or even BobbyV ~ then they should just go and get Piniella back. And no I'm not saying or considering Piniella as an option. I do however think that Piniella given all the variables ~ would be a better choice than either of those 2.
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Oct 14 2007, 10:31 PM
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There's only a select few who will criticize Joe for his entire Yankee tenure, saying he's ridden the coat tails of a talent team, etc and I think they all post on this board. There's no doubt he's a sure fire hall of famer and at one point was the perfect manager for this team. But he's not any more. Down the road when I think of Torre I'll remember the 4 championships before the three straight division losses. But when you look at the talent this team and the payroll it's accumulated has had to only win one playoff series in the last 4 years isn't good enough.
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If he stays he has to take a pay cut. The guy has been the highest paid manager in baseball and three consective years we haven't advanced past the 1st round. If we're going to bash guys like Giambi for not living up to their contract why is Torre excempt from the same kind of criticism?
I would never disagree with that. Carl Pavano should be forced to give back all the money the Yankees have paid him. There should be some kind of payback for not living up to your reputation... job... performance... etc... whatever you want to call it in regards to baseball. I've been saying this for years. Baseball isn't like that and as I have been repeatedly told by many MLB's union would never allow such a stipulation. In Torre's case how can anyone argue that he has underachieved? Before you go nuts ~ anyone but Yankee brass and Yankee fans. Meaning if you asked any Met fan or any fan of any other team a hypothetical question like... "How would you like it if your team made the playoffs the last 12 years and won 4 WS and 6 Championship Series?", what do you think their answer would be? Any fan of any other team would be yelling hell yeah. Torre underachieved only because the team is the New York Yankees not for any other reason. Again I'm not saying it's not time for the Yankees and Torre to part ways and I'm not saying it is either. It's more than the team that he manages and his replacement has to be some of what he is in order to have the success that he has had. If anyone wants a guy like LaRussa or even BobbyV ~ then they should just go and get Piniella back. And no I'm not saying or considering Piniella as an option. I do however think that Piniella given all the variables ~ would be a better choice than either of those 2.
Lou manages the Cubs. Girard's the only logical choice. :agent:
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