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3 Page article exposes Ca$hman's misses...
Topic Started: May 6 2007, 08:17 AM (129 Views)
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http://www.nypost.com/seven/05062007/sport...oel_sherman.htm :thumbup:
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Saying Cashman traded Johnson to Montreal instead of Arizona is completely ignoring what actually happened. We weren't getting Schilling for Nick Johnson. Sherman, like most, chooses to ignore something he knows nothing about and act like Cashman's work with the farm system is irrelevant. That said some of the critisism in that article is totally justified.

Cash is not alone An article that looks at it from another side.
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May 6 2007, 08:17 AM

Good article by Sherman for the first time in a long time. Shows how bad Cashman really is. :clap:
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May 6 2007, 12:59 PM
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May 6 2007, 08:17 AM

Good article by Sherman for the first time in a long time. Shows how bad Cashman really is. :clap:

I dont like articles that make obvious critisisms to moves without offering alternatives.
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May 6 2007, 08:17 AM

Good article by Sherman for the first time in a long time. Shows how bad Cashman really is. :clap:

I dont like articles that make obvious critisisms to moves without offering alternatives.

Fair point, it doesn't mean Cashman didn't f*ck up bad this winter though. Torre staying, Igawa, Miller, all awful, awful decisions.
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May 6 2007, 01:02 PM
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May 6 2007, 02:00 PM
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May 6 2007, 08:17 AM

Good article by Sherman for the first time in a long time. Shows how bad Cashman really is. :clap:

I dont like articles that make obvious critisisms to moves without offering alternatives.

Fair point, it doesn't mean Cashman didn't f*ck up bad this winter.

True, helping Torre come back(which Sherman didn't adress), Igawa, and the trainer were mistakes. But Randy Johnson and Sheffield for the players they got aren't yet. I've said this before...Humberto Sanchez had surgery, he didn't die.
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Sanchez will be injury waiting to happen every year. Vizcaino is trash, unless one of the other guys he got for Johnson results in us getting a great starter via trade or one of the guys stepping up on their own, both those deals are weak as well.
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May 6 2007, 01:07 PM
Sanchez will be injury waiting to happen every year.

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May 6 2007, 01:07 PM
Sanchez will be injury waiting to happen every year. Vizcaino is trash, unless one of the other guys he got for Johnson results in us getting a great starter via trade or one of the guys stepping up on their own, both those deals are weak as well.

Both players traded were 40 year old assholes. One a starter with a 5.00 era coming off surgery, the other a DH who missed most of the season. The Yankees aquired an upper level prospect with Ace potential to go with Hughes, injuries being the drawback. Besides him they got a closing prospect with two out pitches and a very good fastball (who was said to be Detroit's future closer pre-Zumaya), drawback being high walk rates. The third player is a wild card reliever who dominated in 06 in his first year pitching. As for the RJ trade he got an alleged gold glove caliber SS, an innings eating reliever, and two horse starters with heavy sinkers and good secondary stuff. Hindsight is 20/20 with trades, but its hard to be dissapointed in that kind of haul.
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:please: In addition, Cashman traded Gary Sheffield and Randy Johnson in the offseason with the main haul being Humberto Sanchez and Ross Ohlendorf, supposedly high-caliber arms who could be stashed at Triple-A for an emergency. Well emergency has struck. Matt DeSalvo goes tomorrow, a record 10th starter needed by one team in the first 30 games. But none of them is Sanchez or Ohlendorf.

Sanchez, who another GM said "had too many red flags to acquire because of his injury history," already is out with Tommy John surgery. The Yankees could have taken a lesser overall package from Arizona and obtained Micah Owings, who has a 3.38 ERA in four starts for Arizona. Instead, they took Ohlendorf, who has been so abysmal at Triple-A that DeSalvo, Phil Hughes, Chase Wright, Darrell Rasner and Jeff Karstens have all gotten opportunity instead of him. :peace:
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May 6 2007, 07:49 PM
:please: In addition, Cashman traded Gary Sheffield and Randy Johnson in the offseason with the main haul being Humberto Sanchez and Ross Ohlendorf, supposedly high-caliber arms who could be stashed at Triple-A for an emergency. Well emergency has struck. Matt DeSalvo goes tomorrow, a record 10th starter needed by one team in the first 30 games. But none of them is Sanchez or Ohlendorf.

Sanchez, who another GM said "had too many red flags to acquire because of his injury history," already is out with Tommy John surgery. The Yankees could have taken a lesser overall package from Arizona and obtained Micah Owings, who has a 3.38 ERA in four starts for Arizona. Instead, they took Ohlendorf, who has been so abysmal at Triple-A that DeSalvo, Phil Hughes, Chase Wright, Darrell Rasner and Jeff Karstens have all gotten opportunity instead of him. :peace:

You are really oversimplifying. Whelan has great stuff, Alberto Gonzalez is said to be the best fielding SS prospect in baseball. Sanchez has Ace stuff when healthy and never would have been available if he wasn't an injury risk. These moves weren't meant for 07. All of these guys with the probable exception of Sanchez and Whelan are trade bait anyway. Ohlendorf hasn't been abysmal and all the guys you mentioned except Wright and Hughes were ahead of him in the spot start order anyway.
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Sanchez will be injury waiting to happen every year.

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Vazquez, Weaver and Pavano


Every GM in baseball wanted these guys at the time they were acquired (at least Vazquez and Pavano), so I guess they're all smit?


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We still traded a pair of either Hall of Famers or in Sheffield case close to it, each with something left in the tank and got absolute zero in return that will help this year. I'm all for building for the future but this is the New York Yankees and you play for the present.
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May 7 2007, 11:37 AM
We still traded a pair of either Hall of Famers or in Sheffield case close to it, each with something left in the tank and got absolute zero in return that will help this year.  I'm all for building for the future but this is the New York Yankees and you play for the present.

Who were they going to get this year that would be an improvement over the 25 man they now have? A backup catcher? A 7th reliever? Also Johnson deosn't have much left. They were both good deals.
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