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| Tweet Topic Started: May 4 2007, 10:46 PM (155 Views) | |
| Mantlemurcer | May 4 2007, 10:46 PM Post #1 |
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Bean is :poop: :yes: |
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| YankeeBaseball | May 4 2007, 11:22 PM Post #2 |
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First runs he's given up all year here... even the great ones give up a few, Gramps. :peace: |
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| Mantlemurcer | May 4 2007, 11:29 PM Post #3 |
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Yeah, a whole 3 innings..woo-hoo...he's minor league trash. |
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| Yanksfan03 | May 5 2007, 12:42 AM Post #4 |
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Bean is another piece of sh*t that doesn't serve a purpose here. Send his ass back to AAA where he belongs. |
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| HendoBaby | May 5 2007, 02:48 AM Post #5 |
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It's sad for how big our payroll is that we have so many useless pieces of sh*t. That's just a horrible job all around. |
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| Yanksfan03 | May 5 2007, 02:51 AM Post #6 |
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This organization is such a f*cking trainwreck it's not even funny. The GM and all the coaches have to go first, then after that we need to get rid of crap like Igawa, Pavano, Bean, Vizcaino, Phelps, Mientkiewicz, Myers, etc. Too many of the moves that Cashman made this offseason have pretty much sucked. He got nobody of use for Sheffield or Johnson, he brought in a strength and conditioning coach who had been out of baseball for 10 f*cking years (good thinking), he keeps Pavano, and he blows $46 mil on a piece of sh*t Japanese pitcher in a total reactionary move. Worst of all, he's one of the main reasons Joe is still here. Absoultely horrendous, firing this guy is a must. |
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| HendoBaby | May 5 2007, 03:06 AM Post #7 |
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Both Torre and Cashman need to be mugged and beat the sh*t out of in the streets outside the Stadium. They're disgraceful embezzlers of money. They make millions and do nothing but ruin a billion dollar franchise in return. If they had any heart, they'd return all their income, apologize, and beg for forgiveness from both the fans and George, resigning their posts of course. |
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| Yanksfan03 | May 5 2007, 03:10 AM Post #8 |
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Unfortunately, Joke doesn't need to beg for forgiveness. 96% of Yankee fans love him. |
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| HomieYank | May 5 2007, 01:33 PM Post #9 |
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What does Phelps have to do? How can anyone actually have a problem with what he's been doing? Bean is a minor league filler. He's in the organization by accident. Calling him anybody's mistake other than his parents is stupid. I agree that Bean is garbage. I don't know what Chris Britton did to piss people off, but there is no reason for him to not be on this team. He got plenty of talent for Sheffield and Johnson. |
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| Venom | May 5 2007, 02:01 PM Post #10 |
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Can you get off his jock already? Jeez, the guy SUCKS. What has he done for you to defend him all the damn time? He's garbage. And Colter Bean is just an example of YB not knowing what he is talking about. He looks at his numbers and thinks he's great. I will never understand why people judge players, especially minor league guys, just by looking at their numbers. You have to watch these guys in action and look at what they have throw and what their swing is like, ect. |
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| HomieYank | May 5 2007, 02:07 PM Post #11 |
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How about .296, .387, .444 while playing sporatically and pinch hitting? Why can't you just accept the fact that he isn't part of the problem? I can't be proven wrong based on anything Phelps has done or anything Phelps has ever done. Tell me how he's garbage. Face it, your guessing. It wouldn't be the first time. I agree 100% on Bean. He sucks and should not be on a major league team let alone a team like the Yankees with much better options. Once he passed through waivers and stat guys like Beane and Riccardi didn't take him sirens should have went off. |
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| Venom | May 5 2007, 02:15 PM Post #12 |
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There you go again with the numbers. What a freaking geek, those numbers mean NOTHING to me. He shouldn't be on this team. This whole platoon at 1B is a joke and it isn't working. Meintkeiwicz and Phelps both suck in different ways. You can post stats until you are blue in the face, it doesn't change the fact that he sucks and should be at AAA. |
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| HomieYank | May 5 2007, 02:19 PM Post #13 |
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So no matter how much I prove you wrong and make you look stupid I'm wrong? Fair enough, sounds about right. I won't even insist you tell me why he sucks anymore, obviously evidence doesn't matter. Anytime I make somebodies arguments look stupid and baseless I am called a nerd. f*ck this anti intellegence bull. I'm also a multi time all american, a speed/stregnth coach, and played organized baseball for 20 years. I'm not just going on stats here. Back your arguements up or you aren't right. |
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| Venom | May 5 2007, 02:21 PM Post #14 |
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How did you prove me wrong? By posting his average?! He doesn't even have 30 AB yet!! Those numbers don't matter and are meaningless. Talk to me in September. |
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| HomieYank | May 5 2007, 02:24 PM Post #15 |
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so stats don't matter, but sample size is relevant for some reason? He's had a career worth of above average, hillenbrand like production. Why don't you just tell me why you think he sucks. Its simple, just back yourself up with something. Anything. |
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| Venom | May 5 2007, 02:36 PM Post #16 |
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If he plays a game and goes 0-4, his numbers aren't.296 .387 .444 anymore, you'd be looking at stats like .261 .364 .412 Does that all of a sudden prove me right?! NO! Posting his stats at this point is beyond stupid, we all know how much you love stats, but you posting his stats after 20-something AB's is ridiculous. "Above average, Hillenbrand like production?!" You are comparing him to Shea Hillenbrand and saying that is above average?! Shea Hillenbrand sucks just as much as Phelps does. They are NOT above average players. They are lucky if they are average players. |
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| HomieYank | May 5 2007, 02:43 PM Post #17 |
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The stats don't prove anything about what type of player he is at this point. What they prove, and what I've been saying, is that he hasn't been part of the problem up to this point. He's done nothing wrong. Therefore it is relevant and not beyond stupid. If Shea Hillenbrand was the 24th man on this team, a part time player at best, you'd still be crying about it? Ignore this last post because it will involve stats (god forbid anybody should ever use what actually happened in actual major league games to see if a player was productive or not). Phelps has averaged 26 homeruns(does that simplistic children's stat make you feel more comfortable?), 95 RBI, and 30 doubles per 162 games for his major league career. Make what you will out of that. Phelps has very good natural power, kills mistakes, and destroys left handed pitching. He can take a pitch when he feels like it, and is by any logical measure a decent bat to have on the bench. |
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| Venom | May 5 2007, 03:05 PM Post #18 |
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Did you see me cry about Phelps? I never said he was part of the reason we are losing. He's not pitching! All I'm saying is that he sucks.
Why is that relevant? Yeah, he might put up those numbers over 162 games if all he faced was mediocre lefties for 500 ABs! If he played 162 games, you know as well as I do that he would be closer to .255 17 HR 65 RBI. And that's being generous. The guy can't hit righties and he isn't a good fielder. In my book that means he sucks and is 1 dimensional. If you think only being able to hit lefty pitching makes him "above average" I think you are wrong. |
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| HomieYank | May 5 2007, 03:15 PM Post #19 |
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1. I called his production above average, which is why evidence of his production is relevant. 2. He's hit well against good pitchers. Righty and Lefty. I'd show you the stats, but you'd conveniently claim they were worthless. But yes, prolonged exposure to right handed pitching would expose some shittyness, but he's still a part time player, so whats the problem. He was a rule V pickup for sh*t'ssake! 3) A)his defensive problems are a bit overblown. B) He plays first base, f*ck defense. |
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| HomieYank | May 5 2007, 03:41 PM Post #20 |
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On edit Rob Phelps has faced about twice as many righties as lefties career, which keeps him on par with just about every other right handed hitter. So the career stats that I posted are completely relevant. |
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| Mantlemurcer | May 5 2007, 06:59 PM Post #21 |
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Phelps' situation is just like Maris' |
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| HomieYank | May 5 2007, 07:03 PM Post #22 |
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More like Hammonds when he was here. |
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| HendoBaby | May 5 2007, 10:18 PM Post #23 |
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Homie's a smart guy and he adds valuable input, but he is a stat geek. He prorates and assumes statistical value. He thought Phillips would be a Kevin Millar when Millar was good, and Phillips was absolutely horrid, although he had a decent stretch. He thinks hitting .290 in sporatic action equates over a full-year. Now, I'm not knocking him for that, and I do think Phelps deserves ONE MONTH to prove we can use him and he can be effective, since I do like that he's selective at the plate and has shortened his swing from years past(.300 last year in Triple A), so I see some potential. But you can't just assume numbers. He could very easily hit near .200 on a full-time basis. But I still think he deserves a chance, since Doug M is crap. |
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