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Prior out for the year
Topic Started: Apr 25 2007, 03:35 PM (123 Views)
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Must be Piniella's fault.
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Apr 26 2007, 01:05 AM
Must be Piniella's fault.

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Just hope Hughes doesn't go down this path. A lot of big-time, can't miss, pitching studs have ended up f*cked with injuries. Prior was leagues ahead of Hughes too in terms of potential.
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He won't ever be the same again! :no1: :crybaby:
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Apr 25 2007, 08:33 PM
Just hope Hughes doesn't go down this path. A lot of big-time, can't miss, pitching studs have ended up f*cked with injuries. Prior was leagues ahead of Hughes too in terms of potential.

Obviously thats always a possibility, but between USC, the minors and his first season in the bigs, Prior pitched a TON of innings at a very young age. The Yankees have been in control of Hughes since he was drafted and are wisely being cautious with him.
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Apr 28 2007, 12:29 PM
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Apr 25 2007, 08:33 PM
Just hope Hughes doesn't go down this path. A lot of big-time, can't miss, pitching studs have ended up f*cked with injuries. Prior was leagues ahead of Hughes too in terms of potential.

Obviously thats always a possibility, but between USC, the minors and his first season in the bigs, Prior pitched a TON of innings at a very young age. The Yankees have been in control of Hughes since he was drafted and are wisely being cautious with him.

The thing with Prior though in regards to injuries is the guy was babied. Everyone under the sun, scouts, coaches, etc, wouldn't have dreamed Prior would have went down this path. His mechanics are perfect. He drives with his legs. His mechanics are sound. He rarely got in trouble and threw a lot of pitches. He was refined. All these reasons and more, all positive, went into the Cubs scouting and reasoning for drafting him. The Twins would have drafted him over Mauer too had he not been so expensive. He didn't really throw much offspeed against from that beautiful curve. It's really shitty Cub luck. It's really a pity.
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Apr 28 2007, 04:09 PM
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Apr 28 2007, 12:29 PM
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Apr 25 2007, 08:33 PM
Just hope Hughes doesn't go down this path. A lot of big-time, can't miss, pitching studs have ended up f*cked with injuries. Prior was leagues ahead of Hughes too in terms of potential.

Obviously thats always a possibility, but between USC, the minors and his first season in the bigs, Prior pitched a TON of innings at a very young age. The Yankees have been in control of Hughes since he was drafted and are wisely being cautious with him.

The thing with Prior though in regards to injuries is the guy was babied. Everyone under the sun, scouts, coaches, etc, wouldn't have dreamed Prior would have went down this path. His mechanics are perfect. He drives with his legs. His mechanics are sound. He rarely got in trouble and threw a lot of pitches. He was refined. All these reasons and more, all positive, went into the Cubs scouting and reasoning for drafting him. The Twins would have drafted him over Mauer too had he not been so expensive. He didn't really throw much offspeed against from that beautiful curve. It's really shitty Cub luck. It's really a pity.

He was going 8 innings every start in college and Baker used him alot his second year, but I don't know how many pitches he was throwing. I think saying he was babied is a little bit of an exagerrationg, but saying Baker ruined his arm probably is too. Its probably just sh*t luck like you said since his mechanics were so refined(thats another reason i compaired hughes to him, forgot to mention that)
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Apr 28 2007, 04:32 PM
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Apr 28 2007, 04:09 PM
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Apr 28 2007, 12:29 PM
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Apr 25 2007, 08:33 PM
Just hope Hughes doesn't go down this path. A lot of big-time, can't miss, pitching studs have ended up f*cked with injuries. Prior was leagues ahead of Hughes too in terms of potential.

Obviously thats always a possibility, but between USC, the minors and his first season in the bigs, Prior pitched a TON of innings at a very young age. The Yankees have been in control of Hughes since he was drafted and are wisely being cautious with him.

The thing with Prior though in regards to injuries is the guy was babied. Everyone under the sun, scouts, coaches, etc, wouldn't have dreamed Prior would have went down this path. His mechanics are perfect. He drives with his legs. His mechanics are sound. He rarely got in trouble and threw a lot of pitches. He was refined. All these reasons and more, all positive, went into the Cubs scouting and reasoning for drafting him. The Twins would have drafted him over Mauer too had he not been so expensive. He didn't really throw much offspeed against from that beautiful curve. It's really shitty Cub luck. It's really a pity.

He was going 8 innings every start in college and Baker used him alot his second year, but I don't know how many pitches he was throwing. I think saying he was babied is a little bit of an exagerrationg, but saying Baker ruined his arm probably is too. Its probably just sh*t luck like you said since his mechanics were so refined(thats another reason i compaired hughes to him, forgot to mention that)

Did he throw a lot at USC? From everything on him I read, which might have been exaggerating and failing to account for possible shortcomings, they said Prior was pretty much coached and nursed his entire way to the bigs since he was a kid. He was so confident in his abilities that he turned down the Yankees after he was drafted, since he wanted to make big bucks.

And what I meant by Prior being babied was pre-Baker. Baker's the reason for ruining him. I'm 100% confident. Carlos Zambrano must have an arm of steal to have survived Baker's misuse.
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Apr 28 2007, 04:32 PM
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Apr 28 2007, 12:29 PM
DrGregoryHouse
Apr 25 2007, 08:33 PM
Just hope Hughes doesn't go down this path. A lot of big-time, can't miss, pitching studs have ended up f*cked with injuries. Prior was leagues ahead of Hughes too in terms of potential.

Obviously thats always a possibility, but between USC, the minors and his first season in the bigs, Prior pitched a TON of innings at a very young age. The Yankees have been in control of Hughes since he was drafted and are wisely being cautious with him.

The thing with Prior though in regards to injuries is the guy was babied. Everyone under the sun, scouts, coaches, etc, wouldn't have dreamed Prior would have went down this path. His mechanics are perfect. He drives with his legs. His mechanics are sound. He rarely got in trouble and threw a lot of pitches. He was refined. All these reasons and more, all positive, went into the Cubs scouting and reasoning for drafting him. The Twins would have drafted him over Mauer too had he not been so expensive. He didn't really throw much offspeed against from that beautiful curve. It's really shitty Cub luck. It's really a pity.

He was going 8 innings every start in college and Baker used him alot his second year, but I don't know how many pitches he was throwing. I think saying he was babied is a little bit of an exagerrationg, but saying Baker ruined his arm probably is too. Its probably just sh*t luck like you said since his mechanics were so refined(thats another reason i compaired hughes to him, forgot to mention that)

Did he throw a lot at USC? From everything on him I read, which might have been exaggerating and failing to account for possible shortcomings, they said Prior was pretty much coached and nursed his entire way to the bigs since he was a kid. He was so confident in his abilities that he turned down the Yankees after he was drafted, since he wanted to make big bucks.

And what I meant by Prior being babied was pre-Baker. Baker's the reason for ruining him. I'm 100% confident. Carlos Zambrano must have an arm of steal to have survived Baker's misuse.

actually now that I look, nothing crazy at USC. 267 innings in 36 starts and a few relief appearances. So looks like I was wrong and it was closer to 7 innings per start. His 02 season wasn't that bad either 167 innings in 28 starts. So it looks like it was all bad luck and dusty baker.
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Apr 28 2007, 05:38 PM
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Apr 28 2007, 12:29 PM
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Apr 25 2007, 08:33 PM
Just hope Hughes doesn't go down this path. A lot of big-time, can't miss, pitching studs have ended up f*cked with injuries. Prior was leagues ahead of Hughes too in terms of potential.

Obviously thats always a possibility, but between USC, the minors and his first season in the bigs, Prior pitched a TON of innings at a very young age. The Yankees have been in control of Hughes since he was drafted and are wisely being cautious with him.

The thing with Prior though in regards to injuries is the guy was babied. Everyone under the sun, scouts, coaches, etc, wouldn't have dreamed Prior would have went down this path. His mechanics are perfect. He drives with his legs. His mechanics are sound. He rarely got in trouble and threw a lot of pitches. He was refined. All these reasons and more, all positive, went into the Cubs scouting and reasoning for drafting him. The Twins would have drafted him over Mauer too had he not been so expensive. He didn't really throw much offspeed against from that beautiful curve. It's really shitty Cub luck. It's really a pity.

He was going 8 innings every start in college and Baker used him alot his second year, but I don't know how many pitches he was throwing. I think saying he was babied is a little bit of an exagerrationg, but saying Baker ruined his arm probably is too. Its probably just sh*t luck like you said since his mechanics were so refined(thats another reason i compaired hughes to him, forgot to mention that)

Did he throw a lot at USC? From everything on him I read, which might have been exaggerating and failing to account for possible shortcomings, they said Prior was pretty much coached and nursed his entire way to the bigs since he was a kid. He was so confident in his abilities that he turned down the Yankees after he was drafted, since he wanted to make big bucks.

And what I meant by Prior being babied was pre-Baker. Baker's the reason for ruining him. I'm 100% confident. Carlos Zambrano must have an arm of steal to have survived Baker's misuse.

actually now that I look, nothing crazy at USC. 267 innings in 36 starts and a few relief appearances. So looks like I was wrong and it was closer to 7 innings per start. His 02 season wasn't that bad either 167 innings in 28 starts. So it looks like it was all bad luck and dusty baker.

I had heard he was pretty much groomed to be a durable pitcher on a limited pitch count since he was like 10. I do believe Baker ruined him, and I do sort of believe, although it will take doctors studies over years to determine, pitchers need to be conditioned early to be horses. With the culture the way it is, you need to baby them. You can't be a Jim Kaat and throw the clicker out the window. But perhaps, that conditioning could work if they are like 8 when they are learning to pitch. Babying at a young age may be counterproductive. Perhaps the tendons and ligaments strengthen with prolonged use as a kid. Or maybe the older pitchers pitched through serious injuries and were tougher. We may never know.
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Japanese pitchers tend to burn out around age 30 and they are for the most part groomed like that. Its like milage for a distance runner though, It depends a lot on the athlete.
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Apr 28 2007, 05:57 PM
Japanese pitchers tend to burn out around age 30 and they are for the most part groomed like that. Its like milage for a distance runner though, It depends a lot on the athlete.

I'm willing to bet pitchers were blown out in the old days, but things were masked differently and toughness is different. The guy that won 30 games for the Tigers, McClain, mysteriously fell off the map after two amazing seasons at 24 and 25. Who knows. Stuff from the past might have been attributed to injuries people didnt know about.
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