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Topic Started: Apr 23 2007, 08:36 PM (162 Views)
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If Cashman:

1- Was the guy who wanted Igawa

and

2- Does not have some kind of under the table deal with his former team to get out of this ridiculous deal

Then he should get sh*tcanned.

This guy sucks, and Cashman pretty much said it from the start. 'We HOPE he can sure up the back end of the rotation'.

Hey, if Cashman thought he had the potential to be an Ace, then I understand the deal. Its a risk.

But he didn't think that.

He hoped he could be a major league pitcher. For 46 million.

It looks like he's going to be the worst signing in Yankees history. 46 million for absolutely nothing.

And let me remind you, this is the team that brought us Carl Pavano.

At least Pavano is a major league pitcher when healthy. At least Pavano has the potential to be decent when he takes the mound.

This jizzbag will never be a major league pitcher.


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cmnyy
Apr 23 2007, 07:36 PM
It looks like he's going to be the worst signing in Yankees history.

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Apr 23 2007, 08:42 PM
cmnyy
Apr 23 2007, 07:36 PM
It looks like he's going to be the worst signing in Yankees history.

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:please:

He costed 12 million. And there was reason to believe he could be a top of the rotation starter before we signed him. "The Japanese Nolan Ryan".

It was a risk that didn't pay off.

And at least showed flashes of being a good pitcher at times.

Igawa will never do that.

Igawa isn't even a risk. It was a guarantee to just flush the money right down the sh*tter right from the start.


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Apr 23 2007, 08:42 PM
cmnyy
Apr 23 2007, 07:36 PM
It looks like he's going to be the worst signing in Yankees history.

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:please: Irabu was 29-20 for the Yankees (you can look it up). Igawaa won't sniff that.

As I said wayyyyyy back in the offseason, this rotation is

[size=14]SHAKY!!!!!!![/size]
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I didn't see the point in the Igawa signing. When it was first rumored that the Yanks were interested, I read an article where they quoted an international scout saying (I'm paraphrasing), "I don't understand why they'd be after him. He doesn't have great stuff - throws about 88, tops out at 91. He's got good movement on the slider, but he's got no control over it." And that sh*t was evident from the first workout when his pitches nearly hit reporters. And it was evident in spring training. I don't care so much about the money, it's the fact that they went out and BOUGHT a hole in their rotation. For the limited upside they knew they'd be getting, might as well have signed a cheap veteran like Trachsel or let some of them AAA All-Stars (bums) battle for it. Now I've gotta watch this ugly, buck-toothed cu*t run up a 7.68 ERA and then look bemused in the dugout.
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Apr 23 2007, 09:59 PM
I didn't see the point in the Igawa signing. When it was first rumored that the Yanks were interested, I read an article where they quoted an international scout saying (I'm paraphrasing), "I don't understand why they'd be after him. He doesn't have great stuff - throws about 88, tops out at 91. He's got good movement on the slider, but he's got no control over it." And that sh*t was evident from the first workout when his pitches nearly hit reporters. And it was evident in spring training. I don't care so much about the money, it's the fact that they went out and BOUGHT a hole in their rotation. For the limited upside they knew they'd be getting, might as well have signed a cheap veteran like Trachsel or let some of them AAA All-Stars (bums) battle for it. Now I've gotta watch this ugly, buck-toothed cu*t run up a 7.68 ERA and then look bemused in the dugout.

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cmnyy
Apr 23 2007, 07:36 PM
It looks like he's going to be the worst signing in Yankees history.

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Ms. Igawa is quickly catching up to the Pussi Toad.
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Apr 23 2007, 07:36 PM
It looks like he's going to be the worst signing in Yankees history.

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:please: Irabu was 29-20 for the Yankees (you can look it up). Igawaa won't sniff that.

As I said wayyyyyy back in the offseason, this rotation is

[size=14]SHAKY!!!!!!![/size]

Shaky? That's a compliment. This rotation is a steaming pile of cow dung.
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Irabu showed flashes, won some games, and lead to being traded for Ted Lilly and Jake Westbrook, who lead to David Justice. He did something for the team, albeit indirectly, but very valuable nonetheless.

This Igawa, he's just straight up trash signed to a multi-year, multi-million dollar deal. This organization is going to have to get creative to unload him, and it will cost them probably 75% of what they paid. Horrid mistake. IMO, it was like admitting Boston out thought them on Dice Kay, when they went ahead and bid 20 plus for Igawa. If Igawa was worth that, Dice Kay was worth at least 80. They ended up copying Boston with the overbidding, but look absolutely stupid since Igawa is garbage nobody wanted.
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This fu<king assblaster is making us look back fondly at Irabu. :laugh:


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Irabu showed flashes, won some games, and lead to being traded for Ted Lilly and Jake Westbrook, who lead to David Justice. He did something for the team, albeit indirectly, but very valuable nonetheless.

This Igawa, he's just straight up trash signed to a multi-year, multi-million dollar deal. This organization is going to have to get creative to unload him, and it will cost them probably 75% of what they paid. Horrid mistake. IMO, it was like admitting Boston out thought them on Dice Kay, when they went ahead and bid 20 plus for Igawa. If Igawa was worth that, Dice Kay was worth at least 80. They ended up copying Boston with the overbidding, but look absolutely stupid since Igawa is garbage nobody wanted.

:clap:

Perfectly stated. This, along with the stupidity that was bringing back Joke Torre, is why Cashman and several others must go when this season ends with us finishing in third with 83 wins.
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He can pitch in Japan. Can we not trade him back over there. Is that possible?


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Irabu showed flashes, won some games, and lead to being traded for Ted Lilly and Jake Westbrook, who lead to David Justice. He did something for the team, albeit indirectly, but very valuable nonetheless.

This Igawa, he's just straight up trash signed to a multi-year, multi-million dollar deal. This organization is going to have to get creative to unload him, and it will cost them probably 75% of what they paid. Horrid mistake. IMO, it was like admitting Boston out thought them on Dice Kay, when they went ahead and bid 20 plus for Igawa. If Igawa was worth that, Dice Kay was worth at least 80. They ended up copying Boston with the overbidding, but look absolutely stupid since Igawa is garbage nobody wanted.

:clap:

Perfectly stated. This, along with the stupidity that was bringing back Joke Torre, is why Cashman and several others must go when this season ends with us finishing in third with 83 wins.

To ignore all the good Cashman has done and point to two moves...one of which was an innings eater to keep the chair warm until Hughes was ready in June(latest)...is very short sighted.
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Apr 24 2007, 12:51 AM
Irabu showed flashes, won some games, and lead to being traded for Ted Lilly and Jake Westbrook, who lead to David Justice. He did something for the team, albeit indirectly, but very valuable nonetheless.

This Igawa, he's just straight up trash signed to a multi-year, multi-million dollar deal. This organization is going to have to get creative to unload him, and it will cost them probably 75% of what they paid. Horrid mistake. IMO, it was like admitting Boston out thought them on Dice Kay, when they went ahead and bid 20 plus for Igawa. If Igawa was worth that, Dice Kay was worth at least 80. They ended up copying Boston with the overbidding, but look absolutely stupid since Igawa is garbage nobody wanted.

:clap:

Perfectly stated. This, along with the stupidity that was bringing back Joke Torre, is why Cashman and several others must go when this season ends with us finishing in third with 83 wins.

To ignore all the good Cashman has done and point to two moves...one of which was an innings eater to keep the chair warm until Hughes was ready in June(latest)...is very short sighted.


:please: Silliness! they signed him (almost 50million!) for FOUR years. Is he suppos to keep da chair warm 4 years? :wtf:

The only chair he'll be keeping warm is da bench! :furious2:

(If he had any of that so called Japanese integrity, Igawa would give back the money and crawl back to japan, the national disgrace that he is :fyou: )
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Apr 24 2007, 12:51 AM
Irabu showed flashes, won some games, and lead to being traded for Ted Lilly and Jake Westbrook, who lead to David Justice. He did something for the team, albeit indirectly, but very valuable nonetheless.

This Igawa, he's just straight up trash signed to a multi-year, multi-million dollar deal. This organization is going to have to get creative to unload him, and it will cost them probably 75% of what they paid. Horrid mistake. IMO, it was like admitting Boston out thought them on Dice Kay, when they went ahead and bid 20 plus for Igawa. If Igawa was worth that, Dice Kay was worth at least 80. They ended up copying Boston with the overbidding, but look absolutely stupid since Igawa is garbage nobody wanted.

:clap:

Perfectly stated. This, along with the stupidity that was bringing back Joke Torre, is why Cashman and several others must go when this season ends with us finishing in third with 83 wins.

To ignore all the good Cashman has done and point to two moves...one of which was an innings eater to keep the chair warm until Hughes was ready in June(latest)...is very short sighted.


:please: Silliness! they signed him (almost 50million!) for FOUR years. Is he suppos to keep da chair warm 4 years? :wtf:

The only chair he'll be keeping warm is da bench! :furious2:

(If he had any of that so called Japanese integrity, Igawa would give back the money and crawl back to japan, the national disgrace that he is :fyou: )

:rock: :rock: :rock:
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Irabu showed flashes, won some games, and lead to being traded for Ted Lilly and Jake Westbrook, who lead to David Justice. He did something for the team, albeit indirectly, but very valuable nonetheless.

This Igawa, he's just straight up trash signed to a multi-year, multi-million dollar deal. This organization is going to have to get creative to unload him, and it will cost them probably 75% of what they paid. Horrid mistake. IMO, it was like admitting Boston out thought them on Dice Kay, when they went ahead and bid 20 plus for Igawa. If Igawa was worth that, Dice Kay was worth at least 80. They ended up copying Boston with the overbidding, but look absolutely stupid since Igawa is garbage nobody wanted.

:clap:

Perfectly stated. This, along with the stupidity that was bringing back Joke Torre, is why Cashman and several others must go when this season ends with us finishing in third with 83 wins.

To ignore all the good Cashman has done and point to two moves...one of which was an innings eater to keep the chair warm until Hughes was ready in June(latest)...is very short sighted.

This makes the move to blatantly overpay for Igawa look even more stupid.
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4 mill a year guys. Thats how much he is getting. Lets not continue to ignore the figure that effects payroll and luxury tax. Guys just as bad were getting three times as much. Igawa can be sent down or traded(not right now obviously) where one of those guys would have been untradeable and cause more roster inflexibility. Everyone who cries about Cashman being "cheep" shouldn't care about the posting figure at all. This is a mistake, but its a mistake that can be iradicated much easier than some think.
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4 mill a year guys. Thats how much he is getting. Lets not continue to ignore the figure that effects payroll and luxury tax. Guys just as bad were getting three times as much. Igawa can be sent down or traded(not right now obviously) where one of those guys would have been untradeable and cause more roster inflexibility. Everyone who cries about Cashman being "cheep" shouldn't care about the posting figure at all. This is a mistake, but its a mistake that can be iradicated much easier than some think.

:please: They still had to pay the POSTING FEE! The total cost of this guy is well over $10 million per year.
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4 mill a year guys.  Thats how much he is getting.  Lets not continue to ignore the figure that effects payroll and luxury tax.  Guys just as bad were getting three times as much.  Igawa can be sent down or traded(not right now obviously) where one of those guys would have been untradeable and cause more roster inflexibility.  Everyone who cries about Cashman being "cheep" shouldn't care about the posting figure at all.  This is a mistake, but its a mistake that can be iradicated much easier than some think.

:please: They still had to pay the POSTING FEE! The total cost of this guy is well over $10 million per year.

George has more money than God. The point is Igawa is only making 4 million a year.
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4 mill a year guys.  Thats how much he is getting.  Lets not continue to ignore the figure that effects payroll and luxury tax.  Guys just as bad were getting three times as much.  Igawa can be sent down or traded(not right now obviously) where one of those guys would have been untradeable and cause more roster inflexibility.  Everyone who cries about Cashman being "cheep" shouldn't care about the posting figure at all.  This is a mistake, but its a mistake that can be iradicated much easier than some think.

:please: They still had to pay the POSTING FEE! The total cost of this guy is well over $10 million per year.


Absolutely. You cannot leave the posting fee out.

Seriously, what's the difference if were sending millions to a Japanese team for a posting fee or millions to American teams for luxury tax?

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4 mill a year guys.  Thats how much he is getting.  Lets not continue to ignore the figure that effects payroll and luxury tax.  Guys just as bad were getting three times as much.  Igawa can be sent down or traded(not right now obviously) where one of those guys would have been untradeable and cause more roster inflexibility.  Everyone who cries about Cashman being "cheep" shouldn't care about the posting figure at all.  This is a mistake, but its a mistake that can be iradicated much easier than some think.

Homie, there's a lot wrong about Igawa. You're my boy, but you're in denial. The guy is straight garbage; he has no stuff worth note. I'd venture to say you'd have just as good a chance getting production of out some career minor league left-hander, and you could sign them for the major league minimum. 4 million a year is still 4 million a year. If it were one year, I could probably accept the mistake. 2 years? Ah, you're getting close to a stupid deal. 4 or 5 years(I forgot, since I was annoyed either way), that's a big-time mistake that will cost about 15 of his contract to unload for nothing, plus posting fee of 20 mil, and the team just wasted 35 mil total on something they could have got for nothing. A lefty with mediocre stuff and bad control. I'm sure we could have signed one for 300 K, and they wouldn't cost a posting fee or demand multi-years.

And also, let me add, the reactionary move to Boston smartly posting a 55 mil for a quality Dice Kay just makes the deal even more embarrassing.
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4 mill a year guys.  Thats how much he is getting.  Lets not continue to ignore the figure that effects payroll and luxury tax.  Guys just as bad were getting three times as much.  Igawa can be sent down or traded(not right now obviously) where one of those guys would have been untradeable and cause more roster inflexibility.  Everyone who cries about Cashman being "cheep" shouldn't care about the posting figure at all.  This is a mistake, but its a mistake that can be iradicated much easier than some think.

:please: They still had to pay the POSTING FEE! The total cost of this guy is well over $10 million per year.

George has more money than God. The point is Igawa is only making 4 million a year.

That's just WRONG Homie and you know it! Any way you want to slice it, he's costing them over $10 million clams a year! :furious2:
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You can't ignore the asinine $20 mil posting fee since we had to give that money away, now it's no longer ours to spend on somebody who I'm sure would be a million times more worth it since this guy wouldn't be worth it if we were paying him nothing. On top of that is the $4 mil per year we owe him. That right there is $24 mil this year that could've been MUCH better spent.

They did this because they were freaked out about Boston tapping in to the Asian talent pool and didn't want to lose any pull there, stupid. Even more stupid, they way overbid on this guy. Why? Could they have honestly been worried that they'd get outbid for this piece of sh*t? Please, nobody wanted him that bad. The guy to overbid for was Dice-K, they did it, but they weren't as agressive as Boston, you tip your cap and admit you were outplayed, instead our brilliant GM goes and compounds the problem. Terrible.
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