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O'Neill Today
Topic Started: Apr 19 2007, 10:15 PM (128 Views)
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Filling in Kaat's shoes with the opposing pitcher ball-licking quite nicely. If anyone watches the replay and is bored, count how many times O'Neill refers to Carmona's "great/good stuff." I was sick of it by the 4th inning. Come on, Paulie, you're better than that.
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I noticed it, but it didn't bother me as much because unlike Kaat, at least you know O'Neill isn't rooting for the Yankees to lose.
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Apr 19 2007, 09:15 PM
Filling in Kaat's shoes with the opposing pitcher ball-licking quite nicely. If anyone watches the replay and is bored, count how many times O'Neill refers to Carmona's "great/good stuff." I was sick of it by the 4th inning. Come on, Paulie, you're better than that.

What's wrong with that? Carmona had good stuff. O'Neill is a former player who would probably know.

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147 times is good enough for me. He wasn't pointing anything new out. He just kept saying the same sh*t. That's redundant and unnecessary. I do find his commentary from a hitter's perspective more useful than Kaatbag's, but his commentary towards Carmona was the same sh*t.
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DrGregoryHouse
Apr 20 2007, 01:50 AM
147 times is good enough for me. He wasn't pointing anything new out. He just kept saying the same sh*t. That's redundant and unnecessary. I do find his commentary from a hitter's perspective more useful than Kaatbag's, but his commentary towards Carmona was the same sh*t.

I tend to sort of zone out during games anyway and while I hear the announcers I don't really listen to them, so to be honest I didn't even notice a thing he said all day.
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Who cares what he said? He's Paulie :rock:
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Apr 20 2007, 10:32 AM
DrGregoryHouse
Apr 20 2007, 01:50 AM
147 times is good enough for me. He wasn't pointing anything new out. He just kept saying the same sh*t. That's redundant and unnecessary. I do find his commentary from a hitter's perspective more useful than Kaatbag's, but his commentary towards Carmona was the same sh*t.

I tend to sort of zone out during games anyway and while I hear the announcers I don't really listen to them, so to be honest I didn't even notice a thing he said all day.

Same here.
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Kaat was probably the best in the business at what he did, if he wants to gush over the pitchers like that, fine.
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Apr 20 2007, 02:28 PM
Kaat was probably the best in the business at what he did, if he wants to gush over the pitchers like that, fine.

Now you sound like Michael Kay. Kaat was good to a point. When he started spewing out the cliches and repeating himself, he was awful.
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Apr 20 2007, 03:05 PM
Sori4Mvp
Apr 20 2007, 02:28 PM
Kaat was probably the best in the business at what he did, if he wants to gush over the pitchers like that, fine.

Now you sound like Michael Kay. Kaat was good to a point. When he started spewing out the cliches and repeating himself, he was awful.

I personally always found him to be a breathe of fresh air and very knowledgeable about the game and it's history. I have to disagree, but we will all have our opinions on things. No doubt in my mind Kaat was the best analyst in baseball.
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Kaat was very simpleminded towards the pitchers. I can't begin to go down the list of nobodies and guys that turned into pieces of crap that he gushed and waxed poetic about. He never had the balls to say sometimes pitchers get lucky. There'd be plenty of games the Yankee hitters just got themselves out, and he was all about the pitcher. He also never had an interesting piece of tidbit. Like for instance, yesterday, O'Neill explaining Carmona's success over A-Rod. He talked about how pitchers, especially younger ones, will tend to focus on getting that big hitter off and bringing their A stuff for that batter. And what would you know? A-Rod was getting some wicked pitches all game against Carmona. At least O'Neill was offering something useful aside from the Kaatbag verbal blowjobs. I never felt I learned something new listening to Kaat, and that's sickening, since there's so many nuances to pitching and baseball in general. And the issues he was so passionate about, he was wrong as f*ck, ie velocity not mattering and throwing the pitch count out the window.
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Kaat stopped doing Yankee games?
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Apr 20 2007, 03:32 PM
Kaat stopped doing Yankee games?

Yeah, have you been living under a rock? :smirk:
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I personally loved his view on the pitch count, pitchers are babied way too much these days. I realize there is a lot of money invested into these pitchers, but come on. I think with some guys they may need to be babied, but I miss the days of seeing starters go deep into the game. Kaat was on the money with that.
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Apr 20 2007, 02:44 PM
I personally loved his view on the pitch count, pitchers are babied way too much these days.  I realize there is a lot of money invested into these pitchers, but come on.  I think with some guys they may need to be babied, but I miss the days of seeing starters go deep into the game.  Kaat was on the money with that.

If Kaat's idea was implemented, and it has been with some studs, there'd be lots of injuries and pitchers that are never the same again. Example, Dusty Baker's utilization of the Cubs staff. Kerry Wood and Mark Prior haven't been the same since. Jason Schmidt's another big example. Roy Halladay has been plagued with injuries since being used like a horse. AJ Burnett. Etc Etc
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Apr 20 2007, 03:49 PM
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Apr 20 2007, 02:44 PM
I personally loved his view on the pitch count, pitchers are babied way too much these days.  I realize there is a lot of money invested into these pitchers, but come on.  I think with some guys they may need to be babied, but I miss the days of seeing starters go deep into the game.  Kaat was on the money with that.

If Kaat's idea was implemented, and it has been with some studs, there'd be lots of injuries and pitchers that are never the same again. Example, Dusty Baker's utilization of the Cubs staff. Kerry Wood and Mark Prior haven't been the same since. Jason Schmidt's another big example. Roy Halladay has been plagued with injuries since being used like a horse. AJ Burnett. Etc Etc

I completely understand that, but what about I guy like Matsusaka who threw into high pitch counts over in Japan and in High School and came here and couldn't understand the concept of pitch counts. Let's go back to a bulldog like Jack Morris who would throw tons of pitches. It's different for everybody, some guys have rubber arms and the pitch count should be thrown out the window. I think there needs to be a happy medium with it, guys are going way overboard with pitch counts now.
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And it goes both ways, a stud like Harden has been babied his whole career and still gets hurt. Some guys are just more injury prone then others, but I'm not going to dispute Bakers role with Wood and Prior.
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Apr 20 2007, 12:06 PM
Who cares what he said? He's Paulie :rock:

He was more informative than most so I'm cool with him. :peace:
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Apr 20 2007, 03:27 PM
Kaat was very simpleminded towards the pitchers. I can't begin to go down the list of nobodies and guys that turned into pieces of crap that he gushed and waxed poetic about. He never had the balls to say sometimes pitchers get lucky. There'd be plenty of games the Yankee hitters just got themselves out, and he was all about the pitcher. He also never had an interesting piece of tidbit. Like for instance, yesterday, O'Neill explaining Carmona's success over A-Rod. He talked about how pitchers, especially younger ones, will tend to focus on getting that big hitter off and bringing their A stuff for that batter. And what would you know? A-Rod was getting some wicked pitches all game against Carmona. At least O'Neill was offering something useful aside from the Kaatbag verbal blowjobs. I never felt I learned something new listening to Kaat, and that's sickening, since there's so many nuances to pitching and baseball in general. And the issues he was so passionate about, he was wrong as f*ck, ie velocity not mattering and throwing the pitch count out the window.

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