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Topic Started: Aug 20 2006, 11:01 AM (141 Views)
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Yankee hater Mike Liberal slob Lupica - a day after we ripped Boston apart he writes this slop -even if it's true which we know it is...save this for another time.
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It's big chill for Derek & A-Rod


Derek Jeter (r.) remains most popular player in New York and MVP candidate, even after arrival of one-time pal Alex Rodriguez. Now it appears there's a coolness between the two superstars.
BOSTON - This was back in 1998, the year the NBA All-Star Game was at Madison Square Garden, and suddenly you came walking around the corner to a concession stand upstairs and there were Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez. Jeter was already a champion Yankee by then, and the sports star most New York kids wanted to be. Already people were talking about Rodriguez as the brightest of the bright young stars in the game, and there was speculation that when Rodriguez finally became a free agent, the Mets would sign him and bring him to New York.

"This is an unbelievable place," Rodriguez, the baseball star, said that night.


"You mean the Garden?"


"I mean New York," A-Rod said. "I have to play here someday." Sounding like a kid talking about some new toy, or gadget or video game.


"The Yankees already have a shortstop," he was told.


Both Jeter and A-Rod smiled at that and then A-Rod said, "The Mets," and then the two of them, two big young guys with all the talent in the world, went walking back into the crowd, as if either one of them could ever blend into a crowd anywhere. Right there you could imagine them both in New York and the debate about which one was really better the way they debated that about Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays in the 1950s.


You could imagine them owning the town forever.


The Yankees still had a shortstop, the best in their history - Jeter - when they had a chance to get Rodriguez almost six years exactly from that All-Star night at the Garden. The only way the deal could get done is if Rodriguez, on his way to being the greatest shortstop in baseball history, moved 50 feet to his right and agreed to play third base. He did. That is how desperate he was to get out of Texas and last place, even though the Rangers, for reasons not just monetary, were desperate to get rid of him at the time.


Not only would Jeter and A-Rod both be in New York at the same time. They would both be in pinstripes, at the Stadium. The most glamorous and expensive left side of an infield any team would ever have. They would be the Frazier and Monroe of the Yankees.


And maybe that is exactly what they are.


Because when Earl (The Pearl) Monroe came here from the Baltimore Bullets, when he gave up some of his game, gave up the ball so it could still be Walt Frazier's ball at the Garden, they weren't the best of friends, either. I could see it by the time I started covering both of them. They were never enemies, and there was always respect between them.


Just distance.


Something more than air between them when they were on the court together.


It is the kind of distance there is now between the captain of the Yankees and the reigning MVP of the American League, whatever they say for the media. Sometimes I think they were closer when Jeter was playing for the Yankees in New York and Rodriguez was still playing for the Mariners in Seattle.


For all the times when Jeter is on the top step of the dugout to greet A-Rod after he has hit a home run or scored a run, for all the times when their teammates hear them talking about the other team's pitcher in the dugout, even for all the times when they have been spotted having a meal together on the road, what people remember best is that play against the Orioles the other day. They remember Jeter and A-Rod both calling for a pop fly and Jeter finally bumping into A-Rod and the ball falling to the ground.


They remember the look Jeter - the one who was given the error on the play - gave A-Rod when it was over.


You can look at that play all you want and analyze it all you want, and understand that Jeter isn't just the captain of the team, he's the captain of the infield at shortstop. But understand this even better: That area between second and third at Yankee Stadium is Jeter's turf, now more than ever.


It doesn't matter to Yankee fans that some people think A-Rod might someday be called the best player of all time, or that he hits more home runs and knocks in more runs and might even have played a better shortstop once. That is Jeter's turf, his team, his town. His time. It doesn't change until he retires or A-Rod changes teams. He got what he wanted, all right. Got out of Texas and got New York. Now he feels Jeter can do nothing wrong and he can't do anything right.


It makes this as fascinating a relationship as the Yankees have ever had, certainly since Ruth and Gehrig didn't like each other very much.


I asked four Yankees last week to talk about the relationship between Jeter and A-Rod on the condition that none of their names would be in the newspaper, just because asking either Jeter or A-Rod about this union is about as illuminating as asking the Clintons about theirs. All of the Yankees I talked to have baseball opinions I respect. Not one of them has a beef with either player.


"I would call the relationship professional," the first one said. "And that's all it needs to be, as far as I'm concerned. As long as any two guys on a team don't have the kind of relationship that gets in the way of us winning, that's pretty much all anybody cares about."


"No more than that?" I said.


"Professional," he said.


The second guy I asked described the relationship as "professional" as well, saying that he saw the normal camaraderie between Jeter and A-Rod that he saw between other guys in the clubhouse.


The third Yankee smiled and said, "Let's just say they're acquaintances."


I told him they had to be more than acquaintances, they've nearly played together now for three full seasons.


"Acquaintances," he said again.


I asked him if he thought it was important to A-Rod that Jeter liked him. The guy nearly yelled out an answer, laughing now as he did.


"Alex wants everybody to like him," he said. "I like him. But when you want everybody to like you or love you as much as he does, and you're playing alongside somebody the fans are always going to love more, then you're going to have problems. Not Jeter. Jeter's Jeter, he doesn't change. I'm talking about Alex. He worries about stuff that Jeter never does."


The last guy was simply asked to come up with one word to describe the relationship. He thought about it for a while.


"Truthfully?" he said. "It's chilly."


The Big Chill: Jeter has the championship rings, A-Rod has the bigger contract, the bigger offensive numbers, maybe a chance to hit 800 home runs in the big leagues. Jeter is cheered constantly at the Stadium, A-Rod has been booed all year. Jeter says only what he has to say and then shuts up, goes and worries about winning the game, the way DiMaggio did. A-Rod talks and talks, about everything, and makes even Yankees who want him to do well roll their eyes.


The other day, a reporter was talking to another star Yankee and the Yankee saw the crowd in front of A-Rod's locker and said, "Better get going, you don't want to miss today's excuse."


You can't image a similar comment about the captain of the team. It must kill A-Rod that he made the sacrifice - in his mind - to switch positions and that somehow that made people just love Jeter more than ever. You wonder what he thinks when he watches from the on-deck circle as Jeter busts open that mess of a game early Saturday morning with a bases-loaded double.


The Yankees might yet win a World Series with both of them on the field. In that way, you can say they will own New York then. Just not the way we thought they would.
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Lupica is long overdue for someone's knuckles square in his mouth. What does he think that he's writing some ground breaking story nobody knows? We get it already! A-Rod and Jeter are not friends anymore. Who gives a f*ck? As long as it doesn't translate to the field I could care less.
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Good article...Poor timing...

The last thing Alex needs right now are more voices bouncing around his head, and feeling attacked by multiple "nameless Yankees".....

As much as he pisses me off, and as much as I hate the sight of this guy, I recognize that we will most likely need him if we want to win anything...He is too talented and sits dead smack in the middle of our lineup....

And I wouldnt hesitate one bit to eat some contract and move this guy for a bag of baseballs and a Louisville Slugger in the off-season.......
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I agree with BC2, great article but wish something like this came out in the offseason. I'm shocked some guys came out like that, so now we have heard it straight from the horses mouth even if the horse was unidentified.

How about the comment about what excuse is he going to lose today? OUCH!

Good read.
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Aug 20 2006, 11:35 AM
we have heard it straight from the horses mouth even if the horse was unidentified.

I wonder if it was "Barbaro" Williams??
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we have heard it straight from the horses mouth even if the horse was unidentified. 

I wonder if it was "Barbaro" Williams??

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we have heard it straight from the horses mouth even if the horse was unidentified. 

I wonder if it was "Barbaro" Williams??

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I like it and the only thing off with the timing is that it's a little late. If this came after the dropped popup and stare, it would've been perfect.

It ain't the media's job to give a f*ck about Alex's feelings and what might affect the team. They're supposed to report what's going on - if appropriate - and let the fans/readers in on whatever. He's not gonna snitch about who gets how much pussy after games, but the A-Rod/Jeter relationship is something that's been newsworthy and has been a concern of the fans. If he waits until the off-season (1) it might be late and no longer pertinent (2) unlikely, but what if A-Rod and Jeter got into a fight in the locker room between now and season's end? Then his five little quotes don't mean much because at that point, it would've gotten way beyond the point of them being just "acquaintances." It's like pasta. Gotta serve that sh*t hot and fresh. You wait until it's cold and then try to microwave it, it's not the same. (3) at least now there's season and a division race to worry about. Off-season, A-Rod is still gonna read it and then, there won't even be a distraction of the season for the fans and media so he'd be hounded.

I don't like Lupica (don't respect him either) but this was good work.

I wanna know which "star" said the thing about today's excuse. Maybe Mussina? Posada?
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Aug 20 2006, 12:32 PM
I like it and the only thing off with the timing is that it's a little late. If this came after the dropped popup and stare, it would've been perfect.

It ain't the media's job to give a f*ck about Alex's feelings and what might affect the team. They're supposed to report what's going on - if appropriate - and let the fans/readers in on whatever. He's not gonna snitch about who gets how much pussy after games, but the A-Rod/Jeter relationship is something that's been newsworthy and has been a concern of the fans. If he waits until the off-season (1) it might be late and no longer pertinent (2) unlikely, but what if A-Rod and Jeter got into a fight in the locker room between now and season's end? Then his five little quotes don't mean much because at that point, it would've gotten way beyond the point of them being just "acquaintances." It's like pasta. Gotta serve that sh*t hot and fresh. You wait until it's cold and then try to microwave it, it's not the same. (3) at least now there's season and a division race to worry about. Off-season, A-Rod is still gonna read it and then, there won't even be a distraction of the season for the fans and media so he'd be hounded.

I don't like Lupica (don't respect him either) but this was good work.

I wanna know which "star" said the thing about today's excuse. Maybe Mussina? Posada?

I'm with you on Lupica Strider. He lets too much of his own personal opinion get in the way, as if anyone cares about his opinion, and seems to think he is looked toward for his knowledge. This was a pretty interesting read though.
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I wanna know which "star" said the thing about today's excuse. Maybe Mussina? Posada?

I dont know why, but Posada was the first name that came to mind....
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Aug 20 2006, 12:32 PM
I wanna know which "star" said the thing about today's excuse. Maybe Mussina? Posada?

I dont know why, but Posada was the first name that came to mind....

Posada and A-Rod have become really good friends.

If he said that, it may have been joking. I don't put any stock at all in that line. The writer didn't have the guts to say who it was. And you don't know how it was said. The media can manipulate words to make them mean what they want to mean, and the public eats it up like gullible sheep. Look what happened to Maris.

I don't know why so many people believe and buy into the crap that is written by guys like Lupica. He is writing his opinions and trying to make his point, he isn't reporting. He's a f*cking columnist! He can write whatever he wants and you people eat it up like it's fact. He could have easily made that line up! What's stopping him form doing that? There is no name to the line, nothing. Just because he writes it, you guys believe it. Silliness(tm).
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Arod is a soft bitch...FACT.....Lupica should write that.
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Looks like Lupica recycled his article from 4 months ago, because he had nothing better to write, and added a few quotes from nameless players. Excellent work. :clap:

By the way, we all know Jeter and A-Rod don't get along that great, big f*cking deal. Like the one nameless player said, it's not a big deal if it doesn't hurt the team's chances of winning.
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I wanna know which "star" said the thing about today's excuse. Maybe Mussina? Posada?

I dont know why, but Posada was the first name that came to mind....

Posada and A-Rod have become really good friends.

If he said that, it may have been joking. I don't put any stock at all in that line. The writer didn't have the guts to say who it was. And you don't know how it was said. The media can manipulate words to make them mean what they want to mean, and the public eats it up like gullible sheep. Look what happened to Maris.

I don't know why so many people believe and buy into the crap that is written by guys like Lupica. He is writing his opinions and trying to make his point, he isn't reporting. He's a f*cking columnist! He can write whatever he wants and you people eat it up like it's fact. He could have easily made that line up! What's stopping him form doing that? There is no name to the line, nothing. Just because he writes it, you guys believe it. Silliness(tm).

How do you manipulate "Better get going, you don't want to miss today's excuse"? That's not something said in jest. No matter what the context, those words are negative. And these aren't just Lupica's opinions, he's got testimony from anonymous teammates. And no, he wouldn't be making quotes up because it would compromise his journalistic integrity and get him fired if it came out that he was bullshitting. You shouldn't, but you can make up quotes from Jim Buttcrack to better suit your story and make it more interesting (and it's been done), but you don't pull that with filthy rich celebrities, who you deal with every day and who have public images to uphold and when it's written in one of the most popular newspapers in the world. Especially when it's them commenting on teammates. If it ain't true, they'll be on his ass quick. If he was called out on it and put to the wall, if he couldn't name the unnamed players and provide evidence, he'd be assed out. There's probably hundreds of qualified and experienced columnists who would kill their first born to be a general columnist for the Daily News. He'd lose his job and reputation overnight. There goes "Sports Reporters" on ESPN. There goes his book deal. That's why on sh*t like this, reporters are told to save their notes and recordings for at least a year. Unless he's willing to risk all that for a f*cking Sunday column in August, it's factual.

Sure, he's making more out of this than it is. We knew that there was a rift between them and I could give a f*ck. But Lupica did a good job of getting teammates comment and kinda add some paint to the canvas.
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I wanna know which "star" said the thing about today's excuse. Maybe Mussina? Posada?

I dont know why, but Posada was the first name that came to mind....

Posada and A-Rod have become really good friends.

If he said that, it may have been joking. I don't put any stock at all in that line. The writer didn't have the guts to say who it was. And you don't know how it was said. The media can manipulate words to make them mean what they want to mean, and the public eats it up like gullible sheep. Look what happened to Maris.

I don't know why so many people believe and buy into the crap that is written by guys like Lupica. He is writing his opinions and trying to make his point, he isn't reporting. He's a f*cking columnist! He can write whatever he wants and you people eat it up like it's fact. He could have easily made that line up! What's stopping him form doing that? There is no name to the line, nothing. Just because he writes it, you guys believe it. Silliness(tm).

How do you manipulate "Better get going, you don't want to miss today's excuse"? That's not something said in jest. No matter what the context, those words are negative. And these aren't just Lupica's opinions, he's got testimony from anonymous teammates. And no, he wouldn't be making quotes up because it would compromise his journalistic integrity and get him fired if it came out that he was bullshitting. You shouldn't, but you can make up quotes from Jim Buttcrack to better suit your story and make it more interesting (and it's been done), but you don't pull that with filthy rich celebrities, who you deal with every day and who have public images to uphold and when it's written in one of the most popular newspapers in the world. Especially when it's them commenting on teammates. If it ain't true, they'll be on his ass quick. If he was called out on it and put to the wall, if he couldn't name the unnamed players and provide evidence, he'd be assed out. There's probably hundreds of qualified and experienced columnists who would kill their first born to be a general columnist for the Daily News. He'd lose his job and reputation overnight. There goes "Sports Reporters" on ESPN. There goes his book deal. That's why on sh*t like this, reporters are told to save their notes and recordings for at least a year. Unless he's willing to risk all that for a f*cking Sunday column in August, it's factual.

Sure, he's making more out of this than it is. We knew that there was a rift between them and I could give a f*ck. But Lupica did a good job of getting teammates comment and kinda add some paint to the canvas.

Nice commentary....
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I wanna know which "star" said the thing about today's excuse. Maybe Mussina? Posada?

I dont know why, but Posada was the first name that came to mind....

Posada and A-Rod have become really good friends.

If he said that, it may have been joking. I don't put any stock at all in that line. The writer didn't have the guts to say who it was. And you don't know how it was said. The media can manipulate words to make them mean what they want to mean, and the public eats it up like gullible sheep. Look what happened to Maris.

I don't know why so many people believe and buy into the crap that is written by guys like Lupica. He is writing his opinions and trying to make his point, he isn't reporting. He's a f*cking columnist! He can write whatever he wants and you people eat it up like it's fact. He could have easily made that line up! What's stopping him form doing that? There is no name to the line, nothing. Just because he writes it, you guys believe it. Silliness(tm).

How do you manipulate "Better get going, you don't want to miss today's excuse"? That's not something said in jest. No matter what the context, those words are negative. And these aren't just Lupica's opinions, he's got testimony from anonymous teammates. And no, he wouldn't be making quotes up because it would compromise his journalistic integrity and get him fired if it came out that he was bullshitting. You shouldn't, but you can make up quotes from Jim Buttcrack to better suit your story and make it more interesting (and it's been done), but you don't pull that with filthy rich celebrities, who you deal with every day and who have public images to uphold and when it's written in one of the most popular newspapers in the world. Especially when it's them commenting on teammates. If it ain't true, they'll be on his ass quick. If he was called out on it and put to the wall, if he couldn't name the unnamed players and provide evidence, he'd be assed out. There's probably hundreds of qualified and experienced columnists who would kill their first born to be a general columnist for the Daily News. He'd lose his job and reputation overnight. There goes "Sports Reporters" on ESPN. There goes his book deal. That's why on sh*t like this, reporters are told to save their notes and recordings for at least a year. Unless he's willing to risk all that for a f*cking Sunday column in August, it's factual.

Sure, he's making more out of this than it is. We knew that there was a rift between them and I could give a f*ck. But Lupica did a good job of getting teammates comment and kinda add some paint to the canvas.

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The other day, a reporter was talking to another star Yankee and the Yankee saw the crowd in front of A-Rod's locker and said, "Better get going, you don't want to miss today's excuse."


The other day? What the hell is that? "A reporter?" What reporter? This wasn't something Lupica heard himself, this is what another reporter said!

The other quotes could be coming from Nick Green, or Mark Bruney. Or Derek Jeter himself. Who the f*ck knows?

Articles like these are jokes. Whoever said those things have no balls. I have more respect for piles of sh*t like Trot Nixon for putting his name behind the crap he says. Players that gossip and hide behind reporters are bags of sh*t with something to gain by making somebody else look bad.

And you guys buy into it, like sheep. Like fools.
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Mike Lupica is not banking his reputation on a throw-away quote that means nothing in a big picture...

It is a good quote...

Strider is dead-on right about that....
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Articles like these are jokes. Whoever said those things have no balls. I have more respect for piles of sh*t like Trot Nixon for putting his name behind the crap he says. Players that gossip and hide behind reporters are bags of sh*t with something to gain by making somebody else look bad.


I agree with that.
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Articles like these are jokes. Whoever said those things have no balls. I have more respect for piles of sh*t like Trot Nixon for putting his name behind the crap he says. Players that gossip and hide behind reporters are bags of sh*t with something to gain by making somebody else look bad.


I agree with that.

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