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Cashman is still in throw away faze...as he sits
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Topic Started: Jul 25 2006, 07:35 PM (277 Views)
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Jul 25 2006, 09:09 PM
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The fact is that all the guys you suggest we get have been pitching like sh*t this season. Come up with a better option than two 45 year olds with 6 ERA's.
I'd rather have those guys on my team then Ponson or Wright, PERIOD! Anyone with any sense would agree with that fecking statement. Also Pineiro isn't 45 years old, sure he's not pitching well, but so was Chacon but we made a f*cking deal and he pitched well. Ponson is a fat drunk, again, I wasn't again the move because he was let go and didn't cost anything, but that doesn't mean Cash boy should have stopped looking.
Simple question Vin, requiring only a "yes" or "no" answer:
Do you honestly think Cashman is not looking to improve the Yankees?
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Jul 25 2006, 09:11 PM
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Also Pineiro isn't 45 years old, sure he's not pitching well, but so was Chacon but we made a f*cking deal and he pitched well. Chacon was pitching well for the Rockies when we picked him up. certainly much better then Piniero or El Duque currently are.
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Jorge Julio was a FECKING MESS when he was dealt. He was a castoff with the O's and the Mets, he's caught some lightning in a bottle with the Backs, but he wouldn't have cost a whole lot, as you can see with the Muets giving up only Julio. El Duque was pitching like crap when that trade was made too. Julio was striking people out and starting to turn a corner with the mets. I don't get how El Duque is valuable and Julio is garbage when they were pitching about equal. If it was us it would have probably taken Proctor or a prospect of some kind. I wouldn't give up either for a bad pitcher.
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Jul 25 2006, 09:15 PM
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The fact is that all the guys you suggest we get have been pitching like sh*t this season. Come up with a better option than two 45 year olds with 6 ERA's.
I'd rather have those guys on my team then Ponson or Wright, PERIOD! Anyone with any sense would agree with that fecking statement. Also Pineiro isn't 45 years old, sure he's not pitching well, but so was Chacon but we made a f*cking deal and he pitched well. Ponson is a fat drunk, again, I wasn't again the move because he was let go and didn't cost anything, but that doesn't mean Cash boy should have stopped looking.
Piñeiro is not an improvment over anything we have.
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Jul 25 2006, 09:26 PM
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The fact is that all the guys you suggest we get have been pitching like sh*t this season. Come up with a better option than two 45 year olds with 6 ERA's.
I'd rather have those guys on my team then Ponson or Wright, PERIOD! Anyone with any sense would agree with that fecking statement. Also Pineiro isn't 45 years old, sure he's not pitching well, but so was Chacon but we made a f*cking deal and he pitched well. Ponson is a fat drunk, again, I wasn't again the move because he was let go and didn't cost anything, but that doesn't mean Cash boy should have stopped looking.
Simple question Vin, requiring only a "yes" or "no" answer: Do you honestly think Cashman is not looking to improve the Yankees?
I'll continue this later but for right now I'll say in his mind, yes, but in reality NO!!!!! He won't do jack for this team! There are options out there, they might be older guys, but you know what, I'm not looking long term obviously, nobody is *(*this in regards to Amits age issue with some of these guys) I want someone who will help this year.
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Jul 25 2006, 09:27 PM
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The fact is that all the guys you suggest we get have been pitching like sh*t this season. Come up with a better option than two 45 year olds with 6 ERA's.
I'd rather have those guys on my team then Ponson or Wright, PERIOD! Anyone with any sense would agree with that fecking statement. Also Pineiro isn't 45 years old, sure he's not pitching well, but so was Chacon but we made a f*cking deal and he pitched well. Ponson is a fat drunk, again, I wasn't again the move because he was let go and didn't cost anything, but that doesn't mean Cash boy should have stopped looking.
Piñeiro is not an improvment over anything we have.
NO?? he's not -? he's not better than Ponson! Stop....
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Jul 25 2006, 09:29 PM
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The fact is that all the guys you suggest we get have been pitching like sh*t this season. Come up with a better option than two 45 year olds with 6 ERA's.
I'd rather have those guys on my team then Ponson or Wright, PERIOD! Anyone with any sense would agree with that fecking statement. Also Pineiro isn't 45 years old, sure he's not pitching well, but so was Chacon but we made a f*cking deal and he pitched well. Ponson is a fat drunk, again, I wasn't again the move because he was let go and didn't cost anything, but that doesn't mean Cash boy should have stopped looking.
Simple question Vin, requiring only a "yes" or "no" answer: Do you honestly think Cashman is not looking to improve the Yankees?
I'll continue this later but for right now I'll say in his mind, yes, but in reality NO!!!!! He won't do jack for this team! There are options out there, they might be older guys, but you know what, I'm not looking long term obviously, nobody is *(*this in regards to Amits age issue with some of these guys) I want someone who will help this year.
Every trade that has been made by other teams either will not help this team or is not worth what that team gave up. A good GM is one that doesn't waste his time. Cash isn't going to make a move because he's bored or because other teams are doing it or because somebody he doesn't need is available. He's going to wait until he can improve his team. If he can't do that with the available options then why make a trade? Now if he had some sort of farm with a deep talent pool he could afford to make some bad deals just for the sake of improving the team, but if he does that now then we'll suck next year too.
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Jul 25 2006, 09:33 PM
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The fact is that all the guys you suggest we get have been pitching like sh*t this season. Come up with a better option than two 45 year olds with 6 ERA's.
I'd rather have those guys on my team then Ponson or Wright, PERIOD! Anyone with any sense would agree with that fecking statement. Also Pineiro isn't 45 years old, sure he's not pitching well, but so was Chacon but we made a f*cking deal and he pitched well. Ponson is a fat drunk, again, I wasn't again the move because he was let go and didn't cost anything, but that doesn't mean Cash boy should have stopped looking.
Simple question Vin, requiring only a "yes" or "no" answer: Do you honestly think Cashman is not looking to improve the Yankees?
I'll continue this later but for right now I'll say in his mind, yes, but in reality NO!!!!! He won't do jack for this team! There are options out there, they might be older guys, but you know what, I'm not looking long term obviously, nobody is *(*this in regards to Amits age issue with some of these guys) I want someone who will help this year.
Like Livan Hernandez with his bum knee and ERA around 6?
You actually want to trade prospects for someone like that? Maybe we could learn from the mistakes of the past and not empty the farm for short-term fixes and aren't even fixes?
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Jul 25 2006, 09:33 PM
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NO?? he's not -? he's not better than Ponson! Stop....
Not really. Consider the fact that Piñeiro is pitching half his games at a pitcher's park, and yet he still has an ERA over 5, and considering what we'll have to give up for him, he ain't worth it.
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Jul 25 2006, 09:34 PM
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The fact is that all the guys you suggest we get have been pitching like sh*t this season. Come up with a better option than two 45 year olds with 6 ERA's.
I'd rather have those guys on my team then Ponson or Wright, PERIOD! Anyone with any sense would agree with that fecking statement. Also Pineiro isn't 45 years old, sure he's not pitching well, but so was Chacon but we made a f*cking deal and he pitched well. Ponson is a fat drunk, again, I wasn't again the move because he was let go and didn't cost anything, but that doesn't mean Cash boy should have stopped looking.
Piñeiro is not an improvment over anything we have.
NO?? he's not -? he's not better than Ponson! Stop....
Piniero: 5.72 era, 1.61 WHIP, 58 Ks, 39 walks, 151 hits, .315 BAA118 ip in 21 starts Ponson: 5.79 era, 1.64 whip, 43 Ks, 35 walks, 92 hits, 77 ip, .305 BAA in 17 starts
Considering Ponson was free and Piniero would cost something usefull, Ponson was the better choice. Him being fat and Piniero having a name that was popular 5 years ago doesn't change that.
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Jul 25 2006, 09:41 PM
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Clippard for Meche. Get it done now, before Clippard reverts to mediocrity . . . :agent:
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Jul 25 2006, 09:48 PM
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Clippard for Meche. Get it done now, before Clippard reverts to mediocrity . . . :agent:
Odds are they will both revert to mediocrity. :peace:
I thought you liked Clippard... don't jump ship on us now.
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Jul 25 2006, 09:48 PM
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Clippard for Meche. Get it done now, before Clippard reverts to mediocrity . . . :agent:
Silliness(tm).
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Jul 25 2006, 09:50 PM
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Clippard for Meche. Get it done now, before Clippard reverts to mediocrity . . . :agent:
Odds are they will both revert to mediocrity. :peace: I thought you liked Clippard... don't jump ship on us now.
I do like Clippard :thumbup: , but we have to give up something to get Meche, who's having a good season. I'd slot him 3rd, ahead to RJ. :peace:
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Jul 25 2006, 09:54 PM
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Clippard for Meche. Get it done now, before Clippard reverts to mediocrity . . . :agent:
Odds are they will both revert to mediocrity. :peace: I thought you liked Clippard... don't jump ship on us now.
I do like Clippard :thumbup: , but we have to give up something to get Meche, who's having a good season. I'd slot him 3rd, ahead to RJ. :peace:
Meche gets beat up pretty good away from safeco. I think its a safe bet that by the end of the year RJ will have better numbers. Though much improved(not likely to last) I'd still say Meche is about average this year. I'd give Beam or Smith, cash, and a Kevin Thompson type, not much else though.
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Jul 25 2006, 09:56 PM
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Clippard for Meche. Get it done now, before Clippard reverts to mediocrity . . . :agent:
Odds are they will both revert to mediocrity. :peace: I thought you liked Clippard... don't jump ship on us now.
I do like Clippard :thumbup: , but we have to give up something to get Meche, who's having a good season. I'd slot him 3rd, ahead to RJ. :peace:
Meche gets beat up pretty good away from safeco. I think its a safe bet that by the end of the year RJ will have better numbers. Though much improved(not likely to last) I'd still say Meche is about average this year. I'd give Beam or Smith, cash, and a Kevin Thompson type, not much else though.
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Like Livan Hernandez with his bum knee and ERA around 6?
You actually want to trade prospects for someone like that? Maybe we could learn from the mistakes of the past and not empty the farm for short-term fixes and aren't even fixes?
In his last 9-10 starts, I think his ERA is hovering around 8 in the Sally League, and he has the bad knee. Yeah, that seems worth it to give up prospects for him. Vin drinks so much, he thinks it's still 1997.
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Like Livan Hernandez with his bum knee and ERA around 6?
You actually want to trade prospects for someone like that? Maybe we could learn from the mistakes of the past and not empty the farm for short-term fixes and aren't even fixes?
In his last 9-10 starts, I think his ERA is hovering around 8 in the Sally League, and he has the bad knee. Yeah, that seems worth it to give up prospects for him. Vin drinks so much, he thinks it's still 1997.
Mark my words, if he goes to a contender he'll turn his sh*t around.......let's not act like he hasn't pitched well recently...last year he was 15-10 with a 3.98 ERA and pitched over 246 innings (*as always*) he's an innings eater! I'm not talking about giving up Blue Chippers, but Cash Boy can get creative and make it f*cking work if need bE!
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Like Livan Hernandez with his bum knee and ERA around 6?
You actually want to trade prospects for someone like that? Maybe we could learn from the mistakes of the past and not empty the farm for short-term fixes and aren't even fixes?
In his last 9-10 starts, I think his ERA is hovering around 8 in the Sally League, and he has the bad knee. Yeah, that seems worth it to give up prospects for him. Vin drinks so much, he thinks it's still 1997.
Mark my words, if he goes to a contender he'll turn his sh*t around.......let's not act like he hasn't pitched well recently...last year he was 15-10 with a 3.98 ERA and pitched over 246 innings (*as always*) he's an innings eater! I'm not talking about giving up Blue Chippers, but Cash Boy can get creative and make it f*cking work if need bE!
Do you think maybe all those innings have added up over the years, not to mention the cheeseburgers and fries?
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Like Livan Hernandez with his bum knee and ERA around 6?
You actually want to trade prospects for someone like that? Maybe we could learn from the mistakes of the past and not empty the farm for short-term fixes and aren't even fixes?
In his last 9-10 starts, I think his ERA is hovering around 8 in the Sally League, and he has the bad knee. Yeah, that seems worth it to give up prospects for him. Vin drinks so much, he thinks it's still 1997.
Mark my words, if he goes to a contender he'll turn his sh*t around.......let's not act like he hasn't pitched well recently...last year he was 15-10 with a 3.98 ERA and pitched over 246 innings (*as always*) he's an innings eater! I'm not talking about giving up Blue Chippers, but Cash Boy can get creative and make it f*cking work if need bE!
"Mark my words" isn't supporting your argument.
ERA of 5.80 this year, just under 4 last year in a pitchers park.
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The fact is that all the guys you suggest we get have been pitching like sh*t this season. Come up with a better option than two 45 year olds with 6 ERA's.
I'd rather have those guys on my team then Ponson or Wright, PERIOD! Anyone with any sense would agree with that fecking statement. Also Pineiro isn't 45 years old, sure he's not pitching well, but so was Chacon but we made a f*cking deal and he pitched well. Ponson is a fat drunk, again, I wasn't again the move because he was let go and didn't cost anything, but that doesn't mean Cash boy should have stopped looking.
Simple question Vin, requiring only a "yes" or "no" answer: Do you honestly think Cashman is not looking to improve the Yankees?
Stop badgering the witness
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Like Livan Hernandez with his bum knee and ERA around 6?
You actually want to trade prospects for someone like that? Maybe we could learn from the mistakes of the past and not empty the farm for short-term fixes and aren't even fixes?
In his last 9-10 starts, I think his ERA is hovering around 8 in the Sally League, and he has the bad knee. Yeah, that seems worth it to give up prospects for him. Vin drinks so much, he thinks it's still 1997.
Nuttin wrong with dat :drink:
Atleast its not our GM like Washington.
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Like Livan Hernandez with his bum knee and ERA around 6?
You actually want to trade prospects for someone like that? Maybe we could learn from the mistakes of the past and not empty the farm for short-term fixes and aren't even fixes?
In his last 9-10 starts, I think his ERA is hovering around 8 in the Sally League, and he has the bad knee. Yeah, that seems worth it to give up prospects for him. Vin drinks so much, he thinks it's still 1997.
Mark my words, if he goes to a contender he'll turn his sh*t around.......let's not act like he hasn't pitched well recently...last year he was 15-10 with a 3.98 ERA and pitched over 246 innings (*as always*) he's an innings eater! I'm not talking about giving up Blue Chippers, but Cash Boy can get creative and make it f*cking work if need bE!
He told the Mets it would take Lastings Milledge. Even if he comes WAY down from that it would be too much.
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Stop badgering the witness
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Stop badgering the witness
The witness is being hostile.
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Stop badgering the witness
The witness is being hostile.
The witness speaks the fecking "truth"(tm)
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Like Livan Hernandez with his bum knee and ERA around 6?
You actually want to trade prospects for someone like that? Maybe we could learn from the mistakes of the past and not empty the farm for short-term fixes and aren't even fixes?
In his last 9-10 starts, I think his ERA is hovering around 8 in the Sally League, and he has the bad knee. Yeah, that seems worth it to give up prospects for him. Vin drinks so much, he thinks it's still 1997.
Mark my words, if he goes to a contender he'll turn his sh*t around.......let's not act like he hasn't pitched well recently...last year he was 15-10 with a 3.98 ERA and pitched over 246 innings (*as always*) he's an innings eater! I'm not talking about giving up Blue Chippers, but Cash Boy can get creative and make it f*cking work if need bE!
He won't turn it around because he physically can't. His knee is f*cked up bad.
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I trade Clippard for Meche yesterday. Get your head outta yer minor league asses.
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I trade Clippard for Meche yesterday. Get your head outta yer minor league asses.
You'll just never get it, will you?
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- Jul 26 2006, 11:47 AM
I trade Clippard for Meche yesterday. Get your head outta yer minor league asses.
That's not a bad trade. Trading him for Livan, his bad knee, his awful performances this year, and his lifetime pass to McDonald's, would be.
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Yanks473
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Jul 26 2006, 12:41 PM
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And the Band played on......
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- rsj23terp
- Jul 26 2006, 11:53 AM
- Yanks473
- Jul 26 2006, 11:47 AM
I trade Clippard for Meche yesterday. Get your head outta yer minor league asses.
You'll just never get it, will you?
No, I'm just so stupid. Please enlighten me with your wisdom.
Douchebag.
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