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Cashman is still in throw away faze...as he sits
Topic Started: Jul 25 2006, 07:35 PM (274 Views)
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on his HANDS like a fat school girl..

throw away faze folks is what the slob Yankees have been in the last 5 seasons....nobody has thrown away more games than the NYY - Torre is a master at it ...teh Yanks have ran a who's who of slop out to the mound knowing that a mail it in job won't hurt them b/c their payroll and ability to expand it will trump all in the end....

BUT

This season is different...A NUMBER 5 STARTER IS VITAL....FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1994 AND I MEAN VITAL...WHY? B/C WE HAVE 9 GAMES LEFT WITH BOSSTOWN...THE TEAM THAT OWNS US THESE DAYS....THERE'S ONLY 60 PLUS GAMES LEFT AND WE HAVE MINNY -CHICAGO & TORONTO TO CONTEND WITH FOR THE WC AND BOSTON FOR THE DIVISION....ALL HAVE BETTER PITCHING DEPTH THAN US...

HOWEVER a-hole CASHMAN SIGNS A GUY LIKE PONSON "HOPING TO CATCH FATNESS IN A BOTTLE LIKE STICK MICHAEL DID WITH CHACON" HE TAKES THE LAZY WAY OUT....HE TOOK THE NON PRO ACTIVE WAY OUT ...HE CAN'T GET CREATIVE LIKE A BULLDOG BOWDEN OR THE GENIUS KEN WILLIAMS IN CHITOWN...OR EVEN RICCARDI IN CANADA ....HE'S DONE FECKALL....

AND HERE WE SIT....IN THE HEAT OF THE RACE FOR THE DIVISION AND WC...WITH ...OF ALL PEOPLE....SIDNEY PONSON SLATED TO PITCH BIG - MEANINGFUL GAMES FOR US ....

THANK YOU BRIAN....
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Exactly how many identical threads are you going to post today? Honestly, this is ridiculous.
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I couldn't agree more Kocur, while I think it wasn't a terrible thing to bring Ponson in for a try when the other options were Chacon or Wilson at the time, it seems he went back to Baskin Robins and just tried the latest flavor of the month. He should have been working the phones and trying to make a deal for a 5th starter for us. I hope he comes up with an option, we need another arm, we can't count on anyone outside of the Big 3 right now. Hopefully Johnson keeps pitching well and Wang and Mussina stay as sharp as they've been. We are desperate though to find one more guy for the rotation.
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Jul 25 2006, 07:46 PM
I couldn't agree more Kocur, while I think it wasn't a terrible thing to bring Ponson in for a try when the other options were Chacon or Wilson at the time, it seems he went back to Baskin Robins and just tried the latest flavor of the month. He should have been working the phones and trying to make a deal for a 5th starter for us. I hope he comes up with an option, we need another arm, we can't count on anyone outside of the Big 3 right now. Hopefully Johnson keeps pitching well and Wang and Mussina stay as sharp as they've been. We are desperate though to find one more guy for the rotation.

YEP VIN....
And you and I and all the other smart Baseball people here and on YES and MSG know that this giant hole in our rotation should have been taken care of quite some time ago...IN FACT YOU CAN MAKE THE CASE THAT WE NEED A 4TH STARTER B/C WRIGHT AT BEST IS A 5 GUY......
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throw away faze folks is what the slob Yankees have been in the last 5 seasons....nobody has thrown away more games than the NYY - Torre is a master at it ...teh Yanks have ran a who's who of slop out to the mound knowing that a mail it in job won't hurt them b/c their payroll and ability to expand it will trump all in the end....


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I couldn't agree more Kocur, while I think it wasn't a terrible thing to bring Ponson in for a try when the other options were Chacon or Wilson at the time, it seems he went back to Baskin Robins and just tried the latest flavor of the month. He should have been working the phones and trying to make a deal for a 5th starter for us.

So what you're saying is that Cashman turned his phone off after picking up Ponson? He said, "that's it, we're set." You make it seem like the only call he's made since April was to Ponson's agent.

Do you know how ludicrous that is? If Ponson doesn't work out, he can be waived. No biggie.

If a deal comes along that isn't going to cost the Yankees an arm and a leg, he'll make it.

I don't know why I bother. Vin, sometimes you're rational, and sometimes you're the town drunk who doesn't know what the hell is going on.

This is the latter.
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Jul 25 2006, 07:54 PM
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I couldn't agree more Kocur, while I think it wasn't a terrible thing to bring Ponson in for a try when the other options were Chacon or Wilson at the time, it seems he went back to Baskin Robins and just tried the latest flavor of the month.  He should have been working the phones and trying to make a deal for a 5th starter for us.

So what you're saying is that Cashman turned his phone off after picking up Ponson? He said, "that's it, we're set." You make it seem like the only call he's made since April was to Ponson's agent.

Do you know how ludicrous that is? If Ponson doesn't work out, he can be waived. No biggie.

If a deal comes along that isn't going to cost the Yankees an arm and a leg, he'll make it.

I don't know why I bother. Vin, sometimes you're rational, and sometimes you're the town drunk who doesn't know what the hell is going on.

This is the latter.

What he's saying is - his phone was NEVER on....why do you need everything explained to you in simplified form....
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Jul 25 2006, 07:46 PM
I couldn't agree more Kocur, while I think it wasn't a terrible thing to bring Ponson in for a try when the other options were Chacon or Wilson at the time, it seems he went back to Baskin Robins and just tried the latest flavor of the month.  He should have been working the phones and trying to make a deal for a 5th starter for us.

So what you're saying is that Cashman turned his phone off after picking up Ponson? He said, "that's it, we're set." You make it seem like the only call he's made since April was to Ponson's agent.

Do you know how ludicrous that is? If Ponson doesn't work out, he can be waived. No biggie.

If a deal comes along that isn't going to cost the Yankees an arm and a leg, he'll make it.

I don't know why I bother. Vin, sometimes you're rational, and sometimes you're the town drunk who doesn't know what the hell is going on.

This is the latter.

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Do you know how ludicrous that is? If Ponson doesn't work out, he can be waived. No biggie.


I completely understand that, which is why I said it was worth the shot to go after him considering he didn't cost a thing. However, I see no signs that Cash Boy is going to go out and get me a suitable 5th starter at this time. I bet is counting on Pavano to come back, I forget about him. Brilliant! :clap:
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Who exactly do you want to trade with?

23 of the 30 teams are still in contention for a playoff spot. The only teams that would trade anything (without wanting something unreal in return) are Pittsburgh, the Cubs, Washington, KC, Tampa, Cleveland and Baltimore.

Out of those teams, give me a realistic example of who you think we could get that would help this team.
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Jul 25 2006, 07:56 PM
What he's saying is - his phone was NEVER on....why do you need everything explained to you in simplified form....

Yeah, that seems logical.
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Jul 25 2006, 07:57 PM
Who exactly do you want to trade with?

23 of the 30 teams are still in contention for a playoff spot. The only teams that would trade anything (without wanting something unreal in return) are Pittsburgh, the Cubs, Washington, KC, Tampa, Cleveland and Baltimore.

Out of those teams, give me a realistic example of who you think we could get that would help this team.

You're being unrealistic Amit. Its not THEIR JOB to actually make suggestions, its their job to sit in the peanut gallery and complain about anything and everything.

I'm surprised about KOCUR, since he's so anti-liberal, he's doing exactly what the left in this country does.

Don't bother asking for constructive answers. Just believe that two drunken mouth-breathers have all the answers regarding the innerworkings of the Yankee organization.
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Jul 25 2006, 07:58 PM
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What he's saying is - his phone was NEVER on....why do you need everything explained to you in simplified form....

Yeah, that seems logical.

Exactly, he's too busy attending the grand opening of the latest Carvel and watching his wife pick out his latest gear at JC Penny's!
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Who exactly do you want to trade with?

23 of the 30 teams are still in contention for a playoff spot. The only teams that would trade anything (without wanting something unreal in return) are Pittsburgh, the Cubs, Washington, KC, Tampa, Cleveland and Baltimore.

Out of those teams, give me a realistic example of who you think we could get that would help this team.

I just checked these teams, and the only guy who's having a half decent season is the Indians' Paul Byrd, who's 7-6 with a 4.28 ERA. That's it. That's the only pitcher I think we could\try to get, and the only reason I see Cleveland trading him is because he makes $7 million next season.
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I haven't read most of this thread nor did I read the entire first post. I will say though that Jim Bowden is the worst GM in baseball. Every fan, player, GM, and owner knows this. This is the reason Davey Johnson was hired to hold his hands. He's a dim witted drunk who runs teams into the ground with his idiotic trades and signings. Nothing he does suggests that he has a buisness plan or a baseball plan. The man is clown shoes. I honestly feel bad for him, he's a loser and a failure at what he does.
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Jul 25 2006, 08:20 PM
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Jul 26 2006, 02:57 AM
Who exactly do you want to trade with?

23 of the 30 teams are still in contention for a playoff spot. The only teams that would trade anything (without wanting something unreal in return) are Pittsburgh, the Cubs, Washington, KC, Tampa, Cleveland and Baltimore.

Out of those teams, give me a realistic example of who you think we could get that would help this team.

I just checked these teams, and the only guy who's having a half decent season is the Indians' Paul Byrd, who's 7-6 with a 4.28 ERA. That's it. That's the only pitcher I think we could\try to get, and the only reason I see Cleveland trading him is because he makes $7 million next season.

I tell you what, go get me Livan. Bowden will cheapen up and Cashman better be making calls. Pineiro, Meche, Hernandez...do something. Livan has postseason experience and he's done well. I think if he comes to a contender he'll pitch better and he EATS INNINGS!!!! Something the 4 and 5 don't do now!
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Jul 26 2006, 03:32 AM
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Jul 25 2006, 08:20 PM
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Jul 26 2006, 02:57 AM
Who exactly do you want to trade with?

23 of the 30 teams are still in contention for a playoff spot. The only teams that would trade anything (without wanting something unreal in return) are Pittsburgh, the Cubs, Washington, KC, Tampa, Cleveland and Baltimore.

Out of those teams, give me a realistic example of who you think we could get that would help this team.

I just checked these teams, and the only guy who's having a half decent season is the Indians' Paul Byrd, who's 7-6 with a 4.28 ERA. That's it. That's the only pitcher I think we could\try to get, and the only reason I see Cleveland trading him is because he makes $7 million next season.

I tell you what, go get me Livan. Bowden will cheapen up and Cashman better be making calls. Pineiro, Meche, Hernandez...do something. Livan has postseason experience and he's done well. I think if he comes to a contender he'll pitch better and he EATS INNINGS!!!! Something the 4 and 5 don't do now!

That's great, he'll give us 6 innings a start while allowing a run every inning. In case you haven't noticed, Vin, your boy has an ERA of almost 6.
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Jul 25 2006, 08:38 PM
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Who exactly do you want to trade with?

23 of the 30 teams are still in contention for a playoff spot. The only teams that would trade anything (without wanting something unreal in return) are Pittsburgh, the Cubs, Washington, KC, Tampa, Cleveland and Baltimore.

Out of those teams, give me a realistic example of who you think we could get that would help this team.

I just checked these teams, and the only guy who's having a half decent season is the Indians' Paul Byrd, who's 7-6 with a 4.28 ERA. That's it. That's the only pitcher I think we could\try to get, and the only reason I see Cleveland trading him is because he makes $7 million next season.

I tell you what, go get me Livan. Bowden will cheapen up and Cashman better be making calls. Pineiro, Meche, Hernandez...do something. Livan has postseason experience and he's done well. I think if he comes to a contender he'll pitch better and he EATS INNINGS!!!! Something the 4 and 5 don't do now!

That's great, he'll give us 6 innings a start while allowing a run every inning. In case you haven't noticed, Vin, your boy has an ERA of almost 6.

Did I say he was pitching well this year, no. I said that if he gets in the heat of a pennant race in my opinion he will pitch better.
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What's the f*cking point of making a trade if it doesn't improve the team? I'd rather have Ponson out there doing the same thing at 7.5 million less than Hernandez.
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Jul 25 2006, 08:01 PM
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What he's saying is - his phone was NEVER on....why do you need everything explained to you in simplified form....

Yeah, that seems logical.

Exactly, he's too busy attending the grand opening of the latest Carvel and watching his wife pick out his latest gear at JC Penny's!

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Jul 25 2006, 08:41 PM
Did I say he was pitching well this year, no. I said that if he gets in the heat of a pennant race in my opinion he will pitch better.

That's in interesting theory, considering:

1) He's not healthy
2) He's pitching in a weaker offensive league

If Cashman came out with that logic for a trade and it didn't work out, you'd all crucify him.

There's no reason to believe the statement you made, and its certainly not a valid reason to take on a huge contract while giving up prospects.
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Did I say he was pitching well this year, no.  I said that if he gets in the heat of a pennant race in my opinion he will pitch better.

That's in interesting theory, considering:

1) He's not healthy
2) He's pitching in a weaker offensive league

If Cashman came out with that logic for a trade and it didn't work out, you'd all crucify him.

There's no reason to believe the statement you made, and its certainly not a valid reason to take on a huge contract while giving up prospects.

Where was he when Duque was available????? He was hitting up the frozen food section of Pathmark! :wall:
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Did I say he was pitching well this year, no.  I said that if he gets in the heat of a pennant race in my opinion he will pitch better.

That's in interesting theory, considering:

1) He's not healthy
2) He's pitching in a weaker offensive league

If Cashman came out with that logic for a trade and it didn't work out, you'd all crucify him.

There's no reason to believe the statement you made, and its certainly not a valid reason to take on a huge contract while giving up prospects.

Where was he when Duque was available????? He was hitting up the frozen food section of Pathmark! :wall:

Can you pretend you're an adult for two seconds and leave the stupid ass ice cream jokes out of it? Defend your original statement.

It shouldn't be too difficult. You have an opinion, lets hear why you have it.
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Duque's the same deal as his half-brother. I don't think I would've traded for him.
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Did I say he was pitching well this year, no.  I said that if he gets in the heat of a pennant race in my opinion he will pitch better.

That's in interesting theory, considering:

1) He's not healthy
2) He's pitching in a weaker offensive league

If Cashman came out with that logic for a trade and it didn't work out, you'd all crucify him.

There's no reason to believe the statement you made, and its certainly not a valid reason to take on a huge contract while giving up prospects.

Where was he when Duque was available????? He was hitting up the frozen food section of Pathmark! :wall:

He was probably looking at El Duque's numbers.
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Did I say he was pitching well this year, no.  I said that if he gets in the heat of a pennant race in my opinion he will pitch better.

That's in interesting theory, considering:

1) He's not healthy
2) He's pitching in a weaker offensive league

If Cashman came out with that logic for a trade and it didn't work out, you'd all crucify him.

There's no reason to believe the statement you made, and its certainly not a valid reason to take on a huge contract while giving up prospects.

Where was he when Duque was available????? He was hitting up the frozen food section of Pathmark! :wall:

He was probably looking at El Duque's numbers.

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Wow, you guys are telling me you wouldn't want Duque on this team? Come on. Let's go back to the facts, is Cashman doing ANYTHING, NO! He isn't, other then trying on loafers at his local Buster Brown.
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The fact is that all the guys you suggest we get have been pitching like sh*t this season. Come up with a better option than two 45 year olds with 6 ERA's.
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Wow, you guys are telling me you wouldn't want Duque on this team?  Come on. Let's go back to the facts, is Cashman doing ANYTHING, NO!  He isn't, other then trying on loafers at his local Buster Brown.
Thats exactly what I'm telling you. I honestly don't want El Duque on this team for what the mets had to give up for him. His numbers are about on par with the guys we've been trotting out there and he's in the NL. Who is our Jorge Julio? Look at the results, the mets got raped in that trade.
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Jul 25 2006, 09:04 PM
The fact is that all the guys you suggest we get have been pitching like sh*t this season. Come up with a better option than two 45 year olds with 6 ERA's.

I'd rather have those guys on my team then Ponson or Wright, PERIOD! Anyone with any sense would agree with that fecking statement. Also Pineiro isn't 45 years old, sure he's not pitching well, but so was Chacon but we made a f*cking deal and he pitched well. Ponson is a fat drunk, again, I wasn't again the move because he was let go and didn't cost anything, but that doesn't mean Cash boy should have stopped looking.
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Wow, you guys are telling me you wouldn't want Duque on this team?  Come on. Let's go back to the facts, is Cashman doing ANYTHING, NO!  He isn't, other then trying on loafers at his local Buster Brown.
Thats exactly what I'm telling you. I honestly don't want El Duque on this team for what the mets had to give up for him. His numbers are about on par with the guys we've been trotting out there and he's in the NL. Who is our Jorge Julio? Look at the results, the mets got raped in that trade.

Jorge Julio was a FECKING MESS when he was dealt. He was a castoff with the O's and the Mets, he's caught some lightning in a bottle with the Backs, but he wouldn't have cost a whole lot, as you can see with the Muets giving up only Julio.
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