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Joel Sherman rips Cashman&Harold Reynolds - Fired
Topic Started: Jul 25 2006, 10:08 AM (375 Views)
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Jul 25 2006, 09:16 PM
Do you honestly believe that a team entirely made up of 40 home run hitters wouldn't win with a decent pitching and fielding team? Come on.

Haven't we seen what happens to a team that lives by the longball in the playoffs?

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I'm talking about BA.
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The 02-05 Yankees were as close as it got and look where that got them.
They didn't have 9 40 home run hitters.
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Haven't we seen what happens to a team that lives by the longball in the playoffs?
There has never been a team of top to bottom 40 home run hitters on it in the playoffs. Unless they were all free swinging, no walk, low BA hitters that played terrible defense and couldn't run to save their lives how can a person possibly think that a team with 9 players hitting 40 home runs would not win.

On edit just because a team has a lot of homerun hitters doesn't mean they live by the homerun. Any of the Yankee teams your probably talking about likely had other problems that contributed to them losing in the playoffs.
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Jul 25 2006, 09:24 PM
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I'm talking about BA.
Thats not outs.
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The 02-05 Yankees were as close as it got and look where that got them.
They didn't have 9 40 home run hitters.
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Haven't we seen what happens to a team that lives by the longball in the playoffs?
There has never been a team of top to bottom 40 home run hitters on it in the playoffs. Unless they were all free swinging, no walk, low BA hitters that played terrible defense and couldn't run to save their lives how can a person possibly think that a team with 9 players hitting 40 home runs would not win.

I can.

Homeruns are hit mostly on mistakes by pitchers. In the playoffs, there are better pitchers that make fewer mistakes.

If you don't have anybody that can go 1st to 3rd on a single or score from 1st on a double, or steal a base, you're going to have a hard time scoring runs.
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rsj23terp
Jul 26 2006, 04:27 AM
I can.

Homeruns are hit mostly on mistakes by pitchers. In the playoffs, there are better pitchers that make fewer mistakes.

If you don't have anybody that can go 1st to 3rd on a single or score from 1st on a double, or steal a base, you're going to have a hard time scoring runs.

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Jul 25 2006, 08:27 PM
HomieYank
Jul 25 2006, 09:24 PM
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I'm talking about BA.
Thats not outs.
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The 02-05 Yankees were as close as it got and look where that got them.
They didn't have 9 40 home run hitters.
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Haven't we seen what happens to a team that lives by the longball in the playoffs?
There has never been a team of top to bottom 40 home run hitters on it in the playoffs. Unless they were all free swinging, no walk, low BA hitters that played terrible defense and couldn't run to save their lives how can a person possibly think that a team with 9 players hitting 40 home runs would not win.

I can.

Homeruns are hit mostly on mistakes by pitchers. In the playoffs, there are better pitchers that make fewer mistakes.

If you don't have anybody that can go 1st to 3rd on a single or score from 1st on a double, or steal a base, you're going to have a hard time scoring runs.

Ok here we go. It just so happens that exactly 9 players hit 40 home runs last season. A lot of them played different positions, but in this discussion thats irrelevant because we're talking about offense with pitching and deffense being equal.

1) Alex Rodriguez
2) Derek Lee
3) Manny Ramirez
4) Albert Pujols
5) David Ortiz
6) Mark Tiexiera
7) Paul Konerko
8) Adam Dunn
9) Andrew Jones
(thats how I would construct the lineup)

Now judging by the numbers those players put up last season. Can you honesly tell me that team wouldn't be successfull? Would Scott Podsednik and Juan Uribe really make that lineup better? Come on.

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Homeruns are hit mostly on mistakes by pitchers. In the playoffs, there are better pitchers that make fewer mistakes.
This particular quote I have trouble with. A home run is the reward for capitilizing on a mistake, yes, but assuming that just because a player hits 40 home runs that thats the only thing he can do isn't realistic. Most 40 home run seasons come from very proffesional hitters, evident by my above lineup.
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Jul 25 2006, 09:27 PM
HomieYank
Jul 25 2006, 09:24 PM
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I'm talking about BA.
Thats not outs.
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The 02-05 Yankees were as close as it got and look where that got them.
They didn't have 9 40 home run hitters.
Quote:
 
Haven't we seen what happens to a team that lives by the longball in the playoffs?
There has never been a team of top to bottom 40 home run hitters on it in the playoffs. Unless they were all free swinging, no walk, low BA hitters that played terrible defense and couldn't run to save their lives how can a person possibly think that a team with 9 players hitting 40 home runs would not win.

I can.

Homeruns are hit mostly on mistakes by pitchers. In the playoffs, there are better pitchers that make fewer mistakes.

If you don't have anybody that can go 1st to 3rd on a single or score from 1st on a double, or steal a base, you're going to have a hard time scoring runs.

That seems logical. :geek:
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Jul 25 2006, 09:19 PM
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Jul 26 2006, 04:16 AM
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Obviously, but even Travis Hafner, who's leading the league in your oh so favorite stat of OPS will make an out 70% of the time.
70%? Actually Hafner and his .441 OBP only make out 56% of the time. Much less than 70.

I'm talking about BA.

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Do you honestly believe that a team entirely made up of 40 home run hitters wouldn't win with a decent pitching and fielding team?  Come on


The 02-05 Yankees were as close as it got and look where that got them.

But a team full of guys who, as Homes said, have small buys as their strong point, wouldn't have won either. You'd have mother f*ckers bunting with two outs and a runner on 2B.

Like you said, that balance is needed. You know I hate that all-or-nothing sh*t, too.

And I thought we were talking about Damon's 2006 vs. Giambi's 2002. You plug Giambi's 2002 into this offense and take out Damon's offensive production, the Yankees would be better off and they'd gladly take it. He'd be getting on base more often than Damon, hitting for higher average and driving in more runs. If you want to argue that Damon's 2006 is better than Giambi's 2006, then that's something to consider.
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Jul 25 2006, 09:44 PM
rsj23terp
Jul 25 2006, 08:27 PM
HomieYank
Jul 25 2006, 09:24 PM
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I'm talking about BA.
Thats not outs.
Quote:
 
The 02-05 Yankees were as close as it got and look where that got them.
They didn't have 9 40 home run hitters.
Quote:
 
Haven't we seen what happens to a team that lives by the longball in the playoffs?
There has never been a team of top to bottom 40 home run hitters on it in the playoffs. Unless they were all free swinging, no walk, low BA hitters that played terrible defense and couldn't run to save their lives how can a person possibly think that a team with 9 players hitting 40 home runs would not win.

I can.

Homeruns are hit mostly on mistakes by pitchers. In the playoffs, there are better pitchers that make fewer mistakes.

If you don't have anybody that can go 1st to 3rd on a single or score from 1st on a double, or steal a base, you're going to have a hard time scoring runs.

Ok here we go. It just so happens that exactly 9 players hit 40 home runs last season. A lot of them played different positions, but in this discussion thats irrelevant because we're talking about offense with pitching and deffense being equal.

1) Alex Rodriguez
2) Derek Lee
3) Manny Ramirez
4) Albert Pujols
5) David Ortiz
6) Mark Tiexiera
7) Paul Konerko
8) Adam Dunn
9) Andrew Jones
(thats how I would construct the lineup)

Now judging by the numbers those players put up last season. Can you honesly tell me that team wouldn't be successfull? Would Scott Podsednik and Juan Uribe really make that lineup better? Come on.

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Homeruns are hit mostly on mistakes by pitchers. In the playoffs, there are better pitchers that make fewer mistakes.
This particular quote I have trouble with. A home run is the reward for capitilizing on a mistake, yes, but assuming that just because a player hits 40 home runs that thats the only thing he can do isn't realistic. Most 40 home run seasons come from very proffesional hitters, evident by my above lineup.

Great post, Homie. That team batting average would be well over. 300 (great OBP too) in addition to the power. We ain't talkin' bout Greg Vaughns here.

I think Amit and I had gotten into this argument a few years ago on AIM. A lineup of Vlad Guerrero's vs. a lineup of Placido Polanco's.
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Jul 25 2006, 10:18 PM
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Jul 25 2006, 09:44 PM
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Jul 25 2006, 08:27 PM
HomieYank
Jul 25 2006, 09:24 PM
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I'm talking about BA.
Thats not outs.
Quote:
 
The 02-05 Yankees were as close as it got and look where that got them.
They didn't have 9 40 home run hitters.
Quote:
 
Haven't we seen what happens to a team that lives by the longball in the playoffs?
There has never been a team of top to bottom 40 home run hitters on it in the playoffs. Unless they were all free swinging, no walk, low BA hitters that played terrible defense and couldn't run to save their lives how can a person possibly think that a team with 9 players hitting 40 home runs would not win.

I can.

Homeruns are hit mostly on mistakes by pitchers. In the playoffs, there are better pitchers that make fewer mistakes.

If you don't have anybody that can go 1st to 3rd on a single or score from 1st on a double, or steal a base, you're going to have a hard time scoring runs.

Ok here we go. It just so happens that exactly 9 players hit 40 home runs last season. A lot of them played different positions, but in this discussion thats irrelevant because we're talking about offense with pitching and deffense being equal.

1) Alex Rodriguez
2) Derek Lee
3) Manny Ramirez
4) Albert Pujols
5) David Ortiz
6) Mark Tiexiera
7) Paul Konerko
8) Adam Dunn
9) Andrew Jones
(thats how I would construct the lineup)

Now judging by the numbers those players put up last season. Can you honesly tell me that team wouldn't be successfull? Would Scott Podsednik and Juan Uribe really make that lineup better? Come on.

Quote:
 
Homeruns are hit mostly on mistakes by pitchers. In the playoffs, there are better pitchers that make fewer mistakes.
This particular quote I have trouble with. A home run is the reward for capitilizing on a mistake, yes, but assuming that just because a player hits 40 home runs that thats the only thing he can do isn't realistic. Most 40 home run seasons come from very proffesional hitters, evident by my above lineup.

Great post, Homie. That team batting average would be well over. 300 (great OBP too) in addition to the power. We ain't talkin' bout Greg Vaughns here.

I think Amit and I had gotten into this argument a few years ago on AIM. A lineup of Vlad Guerrero's vs. a lineup of Placido Polanco's.

Thanks Homes.
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